Hi

I have made a few raised beds for a vegetable garden, and am looking at creating a border to hide the fence/wall around the bottom of my garden. Perhaps using trellis.

Is there any recommended plants/flowers I could use- or any to particularly avoid when planting next to vegetables/fruit.

Thanks

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:17:37 +0200, Tinor
wrote:


Hi

I have made a few raised beds for a vegetable garden, and am looking at
creating a border to hide the fence/wall around the bottom of my garden.
Perhaps using trellis.

Is there any recommended plants/flowers I could use- or any to
particularly avoid when planting next to vegetables/fruit.

I plant marigolds.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:07:53 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:17:37 +0200, Tinor

wrote:





Hi



I have made a few raised beds for a vegetable garden, and am looking at

creating a border to hide the fence/wall around the bottom of my garden.

Perhaps using trellis.



Is there any recommended plants/flowers I could use- or any to

particularly avoid when planting next to vegetables/fruit.



I plant marigolds.

There is tons of stuff on-line about companion planting for *veggies*: don't plant X next to Y; do plant A and B next to each other. Very useful!

Just wondering if a search for ornamentals compatible/incompatible with veggies
couldn't also be found -- specific, of course, to your region of UK.

Good hunting! (There's also the time-honored method of asking a GOOD nursery!)

HB

On 11/06/2014 12:17, Tinor wrote:
Hi

I have made a few raised beds for a vegetable garden, and am looking at
creating a border to hide the fence/wall around the bottom of my garden.
Perhaps using trellis.

Is there any recommended plants/flowers I could use- or any to
particularly avoid when planting next to vegetables/fruit.

Thanks

You could try a few nasturtiums. They grow fast to make a good screen
(on a trellis), are drought-resistant, good to look at, and you can eat
the leaves and flowers (check for blackfly first!).

--

Jeff

Tinor wrote:

I have made a few raised beds for a vegetable garden, and am looking at
creating a border to hide the fence/wall around the bottom of my garden.
Perhaps using trellis.

Is there any recommended plants/flowers I could use- or any to
particularly avoid when planting next to vegetables/fruit.

i would avoid a trellis as most veggies like
full sun.

around here it is things not to plant next
to flower beds that they will then invade:
chives, mints, oregano, strawberries, ...

i use the tulip beds as veggie gardens
after the tulips are finished. it's not the
best for the tulips, but i can't stand the
idea of leaving all that space bare the rest
of the season. so far i've planted mostly
beans. not sure what else i might try some
season.


songbird

Higgs Boson wrote:
Brooklyn1 wrote:
Tinor wrote:

I have made a few raised beds for a vegetable garden, and am looking at
creating a border to hide the fence/wall around the bottom of my garden.
Perhaps using trellis.
Is there any recommended plants/flowers I could use- or any to
particularly avoid when planting next to vegetables/fruit.

I plant marigolds.

There is tons of stuff on-line about companion planting for *veggies*: don't plant X next to Y; do plant A and B next to each other. Very useful!

Just wondering if a search for ornamentals compatible/incompatible with veggies
couldn't also be found -- specific, of course, to your region of UK.

I also plant mammoth sunflowers along the north side of my vegetable
garden so as not to shade my crops but they make an excellent dense
screen, and in fall I place the trashcan lid sized blooms on my lawn
so the birds can enjoy the seeds... birds are unable to get to
sunflower seeds while growing on the plant. Bluejays are the
champions at devouring sunflower seeds.

Higgs Boson wrote:
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:07:53 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:17:37 +0200, Tinor

wrote:





Hi



I have made a few raised beds for a vegetable garden, and am
looking at

creating a border to hide the fence/wall around the bottom of my
garden.

Perhaps using trellis.



Is there any recommended plants/flowers I could use- or any to

particularly avoid when planting next to vegetables/fruit.



I plant marigolds.

There is tons of stuff on-line about companion planting for
*veggies*: don't plant X next to Y; do plant A and B next to each
other. Very useful!

Very exaggerated. There are some plants that do not play well with others
(allelopathy) by making biochemicals harmful to others or their seeds.
There are possibly some that may be useful with others, such as to repel
some kinds of pests, if you have those pests and if they work in your
situation.

The tables of friend and foe that are commonly found are wildly over the top
and just create more constraints in a business that is already complicated
enough. Those tables are traditional and much like other traditional
practices (eg moonplanting) have very little or no evidence that they work
and less evidence for how they work.

There is no reason you cannot combine edible plants and good looking ones in
the same garden - they may be same. Try sunflowers as a background, globe
articokes as a feature, parsley as a border etc. The usual rules about
matching soil, sun and water requirements apply.

David

David

On 6/11/2014 5:30 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote:
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:07:53 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:17:37 +0200, Tinor

wrote:





Hi



I have made a few raised beds for a vegetable garden, and am
looking at

creating a border to hide the fence/wall around the bottom of my
garden.

Perhaps using trellis.



Is there any recommended plants/flowers I could use- or any to

particularly avoid when planting next to vegetables/fruit.



I plant marigolds.

There is tons of stuff on-line about companion planting for
*veggies*: don't plant X next to Y; do plant A and B next to each
other. Very useful!

Very exaggerated. There are some plants that do not play well with
others (allelopathy) by making biochemicals harmful to others or their
seeds. There are possibly some that may be useful with others, such as
to repel some kinds of pests, if you have those pests and if they work
in your situation.

Agreed. Companion planting is mostly folklore. From the Horticultural
Myths page on companion planting:

There is no scientific basis, however, for any of the several lists
that exist describing "traditional companion plants". Like horoscopes,
these lists may be fun to use, but they should not be perceived or
promoted as scientifically valid any more than astrology. Furthermore,
those of us who value the science
behind our horticultural practices should avoid using this phrase for
precisely the same reason.
http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Cha...n%20plants.pdf

In article
"David Hare-Scott" writes:

The tables of friend and foe that are commonly found are wildly over the top
and just create more constraints in a business that is already complicated
enough. Those tables are traditional and much like other traditional
practices (eg moonplanting) have very little or no evidence that they work
and less evidence for how they work.

They are also often contradictory. I've seen pairings listed as
good on one site and bad on another.

The problem I have with these is that there are almost never any
supporting explanations. And when you get an explanation, it is
often clear that the recommendation is not based on actual interactions
between plants.

The lamest example I can bring to mind is suggestions to plant basil
with tomatoes. Why? Because they taste good together.

Several years ago I briefly worried when, after setting out all the
plants, I found lists saying not to plant dill and tomatoes together.
It took a while before I found that the reasoning was that dill
attracts hawkmoths, which is what tomato hornworms grow up to be.
For market gardeners, this may be good advice. I had 4 tomato
plants, and picking off caterpillars is no problem at that scale.
Not that I've ever seen a hornworm in my area.


I wish the warnings about walnut trees were fiction, but that is
another topic (and the neighbor's tree).

--
In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the
last resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened
but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
-- Ambrose Bierce

On 12/06/2014 11:42 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:

I wish the warnings about walnut trees were fiction, but that is
another topic (and the neighbor's tree).

I've not heard of any warnings about walnut trees so can you explain
what they may be please?

In article
Fran Farmer writes:
On 12/06/2014 11:42 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:

I wish the warnings about walnut trees were fiction, but that is
another topic (and the neighbor's tree).

I've not heard of any warnings about walnut trees so can you explain
what they may be please?

Walnut trees, or maybe it is just black walnut, produce a substance
called juglone. It interferes with plant respiration in some way.
Some plants are very sensitive and some not so much. (I can assure
you that creaping thistle is not bothered by the stuff.)

Since this is given off by the roots, including dead roots while
decomposing, and the trees in question are/were just across the
fence, my yard is a bit of a mine field of plant risk. Both trees
were taken down in the last few years, but one is trying to come
back.

One year (4-5 years back) before I clicked on the fact that the
trees were walnut, I had the garden fairly close to them. Things
were fine for the spring. Then one week in the summer, everything
(including the neighbor's plants along there) turned yellow and
died. It was like someone snuck in and sprayed herbicide.


--
Drew Lawson While they all shake hands
and draw their lines in the sand
and forget about the mess they've made

Fran Farmer said:
On 12/06/2014 11:42 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:

I wish the warnings about walnut trees were fiction, but that is
another topic (and the neighbor's tree).

I've not heard of any warnings about walnut trees so can you
explain
what they may be please?

Walnuts release an allelopathic chemical that can cause problems
with many favorite garden plants (both flowers and vegetables).
The syptoms are called 'walnut wilt' and tomatoes in particular
are known to fall victim to it. The chemical is juglone, and is found
in the leaves, fruit hulls, bark and, perhaps most problematically,
the roots.

http://extension.umd.edu/learn/walnut-wilt
http://www.hfrr.ksu.edu/doc1742.ashx
--
Pat in Plymouth MI

"Yes, swooping is bad."

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Fran Farmer wrote:
Drew Lawson wrote:

I wish the warnings about walnut trees were fiction, but that is
another topic (and the neighbor's tree).

I've not heard of any warnings about walnut trees so can you explain
what they may be please?

http://gardening.about.com/od/garden...ck_Walnuts.htm

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:30:28 PM UTC-7, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote:

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:07:53 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:17:37 +0200, Tinor



wrote:

[...]


There is tons of stuff on-line about companion planting for

*veggies*: don't plant X next to Y; do plant A and B next to each

other. Very useful!



Very exaggerated. There are some plants that do not play well with others

(allelopathy) by making biochemicals harmful to others or their seeds.

There are possibly some that may be useful with others, such as to repel

some kinds of pests, if you have those pests and if they work in your

situation.



The tables of friend and foe that are commonly found are wildly over the top

and just create more constraints in a business that is already complicated

enough. Those tables are traditional and much like other traditional

practices (eg moonplanting) have very little or no evidence that they work

and less evidence for how they work.



There is no reason you cannot combine edible plants and good looking ones in

the same garden - they may be same. Try sunflowers as a background, globe

articokes as a feature, parsley as a border etc. The usual rules about

matching soil, sun and water requirements apply.

VERY interesting! There's nothing as stimulating as having your cherished -- and unexamined -- beliefs re-evaluated.

Socrates famously said "The unexamined life is not worth living." Now don't get me wrong; Socrates is not entirely my favorite person, despite his later aura. An eye-opener is "The Trial of Socrates" by the late, much-lamented I.F. Stone. Author of some way kewl books, like "All Governments Lie."

HB

On 13/06/2014 11:13 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In article
Fran Farmer writes:
On 12/06/2014 11:42 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:

I wish the warnings about walnut trees were fiction, but that is
another topic (and the neighbor's tree).

I've not heard of any warnings about walnut trees so can you explain
what they may be please?

Walnut trees, or maybe it is just black walnut, produce a substance
called juglone. It interferes with plant respiration in some way.
Some plants are very sensitive and some not so much. (I can assure
you that creaping thistle is not bothered by the stuff.)

Since this is given off by the roots, including dead roots while
decomposing, and the trees in question are/were just across the
fence, my yard is a bit of a mine field of plant risk. Both trees
were taken down in the last few years, but one is trying to come
back.

One year (4-5 years back) before I clicked on the fact that the
trees were walnut, I had the garden fairly close to them. Things
were fine for the spring. Then one week in the summer, everything
(including the neighbor's plants along there) turned yellow and
died. It was like someone snuck in and sprayed herbicide.

Ah! Thank you. I won't plant any walnut trees in my garden.