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Gabion Wall for garden - worth doing?
garjobo writes:
Hello, I am wanting a barrier ( approx 7ft high x 3feet in width x 7ft length) - ideally for soundproofing my garden near my house. ( annoying neighbours! ) That's a pretty big pile of rock, but 7x7 even 3 feet thick won't do much to sound. Money as always an object, the best solution i can see ( aside from move! ) is a Gabion Wall, now they look attractive and seem to of come back in fashion as well. Wow, I think the wire mesh makes them pretty ugly. A solid rock wall either laid loose or in cement, which is very attractive. Of course your can't reach 7ft loose, so cemented is your only rock option. My question is, are they stable enough - being 3ft across - approx x 7ft high - aware i require good quality wire baskets, and over time will likely give...but just wanting to know from anyone with more knowledge than me in the trade.. Not in the trade, but rocks in wire mesh will last as long as the mesh. .simple enough idea? I buy several 'cages' lay them down on cement floor, tied together, through in some 'cheap quarry rocks' and bobs' your uncle? Job done? Or..is there a bit more too it than that? Breezeblock wall better way to go? Appreciate your time and any replies. A deep stand of trees or bushes might be more effective and look nice too. Odd that you are posting from England and using feet for measurement. -- Dan Espen |
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I did state amid my ramblings that the noise was simply that neighbours talked loudly. Which sounds like a small complaint ( believe me in another house we had 4 dogs to contend with, abusive etc etc however it's mightly annoying to hear OTT speaking about nothing more intresting than 'put the washing on dear' and whistling..oh dont get me started the inane whistling. Considering putting a note through there door.
Im disappointed to read comments that Gabion walls wont do anything. However, as some of these comments were put by..well..Im too polite to say anything negative about someone... lets hope they are wrong. My understanding is, based on google research... Corrigated Iron fence - reduction 17db ( a quiet library is around 40bg btw ) Timber ( a favourite on here!!! ) only 25db reduction Brick wall - 40db Breezeblock 50db and finally a Gabion wall - around 60db. So..my question to anyone with any proper knowledge...would if be of any benefit? a little..? 7ft high remember..safety aspect too..dont want it falling down...any tricks of the trade? Please share. |
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Gabion Wall for garden - worth doing?
garjobo writes:
I did state amid my ramblings that the noise was simply that neighbours talked loudly. Which sounds like a small complaint ( believe me in another house we had 4 dogs to contend with, abusive etc etc however it's mightly annoying to hear OTT speaking about nothing more intresting than 'put the washing on dear' and whistling..oh dont get me started the inane whistling. Considering putting a note through there door. Im disappointed to read comments that Gabion walls wont do anything. However, as some of these comments were put by..well..Im too polite to say anything negative about someone... lets hope they are wrong. My understanding is, based on google research... Corrigated Iron fence - reduction 17db ( a quiet library is around 40bg btw ) Timber ( a favourite on here!!! ) only 25db reduction Brick wall - 40db Breezeblock 50db and finally a Gabion wall - around 60db. Make sense. Brooklyn has a pretty good record of giving bad advice. Stone itself is an excellent conductor of sound. But the transition of sound from air to rock, to air to rock is going to pretty much kill any transmission of sound. I don't have the numbers on trees or bushes, but I think all the transitions the sound has to make would be pretty effective and look a whole lot better. So..my question to anyone with any proper knowledge...would if be of any benefit? a little..? 7ft high remember..safety aspect too..dont want it falling down...any tricks of the trade? Please share. Never built that kind of wall, but I see them as retaining walls on hillsides and they sure look permanent to me. Where I am we have about an acre per house. The only things I can hear are dogs and screaming children. The kids I somewhat enjoy. Nice to hear the exuberance of children. Still can't see how something 7ft wide is going to help. Does your neighbor stand in one spot to talk? (Oh yeah, you've been clear from the start that this was neighbors talking that bothers you.) -- Dan Espen |
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Gabion Wall for garden - worth doing?
On 3/7/2016 1:11 PM, garjobo wrote:
I did state amid my ramblings that the noise was simply that neighbours talked loudly. Which sounds like a small complaint ( believe me in another house we had 4 dogs to contend with, abusive etc etc however it's mightly annoying to hear OTT speaking about nothing more intresting than 'put the washing on dear' and whistling..oh dont get me started the inane whistling. Considering putting a note through there door. Im disappointed to read comments that Gabion walls wont do anything. However, as some of these comments were put by..well..Im too polite to say anything negative about someone... lets hope they are wrong. My understanding is, based on google research... Corrigated Iron fence - reduction 17db ( a quiet library is around 40bg btw ) Timber ( a favourite on here!!! ) only 25db reduction Brick wall - 40db Breezeblock 50db and finally a Gabion wall - around 60db. So..my question to anyone with any proper knowledge...would if be of any benefit? a little..? 7ft high remember..safety aspect too..dont want it falling down...any tricks of the trade? Please share. You also said 7 feet wide and that is what I based my prediction of bad noise reduction upon. Unless the path between you and your neighbor is only seven feet wide then sound will inevitably 'sneak' around the wall, no matter what it might be. In the US when the authorities are required to put up noise walls along highways they are usually at least 20feet tall and are continuous for miles at a time and still they are only really effective in blocking high-pitched tire noise so that the diesel lorry's or the boy-racer's noisy exhaust still boom through with low frequencies. Good luck with it. I'm just happy that I can only see my neighbors in the distance when the trees are bare and can almost never hear anything they get up to, no matter how raucous. |
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Thank you for the continued replies, didnt really want to drag this one out..but..
Im still disappointed re gabion walls then..agree totally trees etc would be a cheaper solution and look better..but, the 7ft im talking about is at the back garden, side of the house - a narrowish strip. So its on concrete. I cant chisel away, foundations of house/and also we're on a lot of clay. I have tried a raised bed, growing hedges ..i can grow hedges ok but i dont think they will reduce much. I would love a couple of trees..but cement and too narrow to be honest. - advice welcome? type of tree doesnt need much soil??? To answer previous question, in a way Yes neighbours do stand on one spot - their garage is part of the dividing wall and conservatory hence the area between the two means they often/all the time when the sun shines! are there chatting loudly!!! away...just a few notches below - like most 'normal people would naturally do' and wouldnt have a problem. They are the type who seem to like you to listen 'we are here/ we exist' type people. Annoying. Any other thoughts welcome. There area does echo , the garage/consveratory area. In comes Spring and i dredd it, i cant go our into my garden without listening to their inane chatter about nothing! |
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Gabion Wall for garden - worth doing?
garjobo wrote:
Thank you for the continued replies, didnt really want to drag this one out..but.. Im still disappointed re gabion walls then..agree totally trees etc would be a cheaper solution and look better..but, the 7ft im talking about is at the back garden, side of the house - a narrowish strip. So its on concrete. I cant chisel away, foundations of house/and also we're on a lot of clay. I have tried a raised bed, growing hedges ..i can grow hedges ok but i dont think they will reduce much. I would love a couple of trees..but cement and too narrow to be honest. - advice welcome? type of tree doesnt need much soil??? To answer previous question, in a way Yes neighbours do stand on one spot - their garage is part of the dividing wall and conservatory hence the area between the two means they often/all the time when the sun shines! are there chatting loudly!!! away...just a few notches below - like most 'normal people would naturally do' and wouldnt have a problem. They are the type who seem to like you to listen 'we are here/ we exist' type people. Annoying. Any other thoughts welcome. There area does echo , the garage/consveratory area. In comes Spring and i dredd it, i cant go our into my garden without listening to their inane chatter about nothing! Have you considered acoustic countermeasures ? Loud music will drown them out , plus give them a dose of their own . When they ask you to turn it down , tell them to talk more softly . -- Snag |
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Terry, i'm getting a smaller water fountain in time for Spring and yes, the radio will be on.
Any other advice re trees/plants which dont require much soil? as mentioned it is on concrete, a small container which grows a tall, thin tree/bush would be great - get me a half dozen of them. |
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Gabion Wall for garden - worth doing?
garjobo wrote:
Terry, i'm getting a smaller water fountain in time for Spring and yes, the radio will be on. Any other advice re trees/plants which dont require much soil? as mentioned it is on concrete, a small container which grows a tall, thin tree/bush would be great - get me a half dozen of them. Just about any foliage will help , why not do gouble duty and grow some citrus or other fruit ? I've seen some do very well in pots . Big pots ... -- Snag |
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