"Vox Humana" wrote in message
.. .

No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a
community.
I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that
county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very
close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in
my
county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not
evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about
200,000
communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County, MD
would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared with
the nation as a whole.

Oh, I thought you were the one who talked about hundreds of HOAs in one
community or neighborhood. I was mistaken.

I don't know if Montgomery Co. has a disproportionate number of HOAs or not.
But Montgomery Village alone probably accounts for about 75 of them, at
least. Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there
are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V.

In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote:

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , Tom J
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:09:43 -0400, Ann wrote:

Tom J expounded:


This entire thread remains clueless except for some insight by Vox....

Sorry, but I find Vox to be as rabid as Paghat on this one.


OK Ann, but living in a communality with hundreds of HOA's I see
none of the rantings validated.

Some people don't HAVE to care, so never even bother to look. You don't
see what you couldn't care less about.

Tell me what single community has HUNDREDS of HOAs while you're at it. By
HUNDREDS you mean 200 HOAs right in your neighborhood? Three or four
hundred? Six hundred? Should be easy for you to name 10% of them then, or
grab your Yellow Pages & list the ones that start with "S" -- that should
be a good 20 out of 200 right there.

Someone mentioned that they lived in an area called Montgomery Village that
had a lot of HOAs. If you go to the Montgomery County HOA page you will see
a list of over 800 HOA listed.
http://www.communitiesonline.org/sta...ontgomery/hoa/

The majority of that page lists single-building condo associations, &
lists them randomly throughout Virginia, Washington D.C., & Maryland, &
includes unincorporated civic associations that are not HOAs. Even if
these HAD all been only from Montgomery County (as you may have imagined
since all you looked at was a Google header) that's NOT a single
community, it's a COUNTY'S worth of cities & towns. Makes me wonder if
this depth of dishonesty on your part is intentional or something deeply
ingrained & awful in you forces you against your will to be dishonest!

But lets imagine your horrifying idea of utopia were true & a single
community had 800 HOA-run neighborhoods -- or even just the 200 the
previous liar made up on the spur of the moment. We'll even toss-in the
single-building condo associations to help you boost your numbers, &
though that's cheating, we have to accept that cheating is your method &
you might get away with it here & there. Can't include those civic
neighborhood associations, though, as they tend to do nicer stuff than
HOAs ever do.

If your dream is true, then SOMEwhere there are 200 neighborhoods &/or
incoporation-regulated condos in a single community, with people of no
conscience (as best-case) or even outright racists, happily empowered by a
method of incorporation that permits them to legally take over other
peoples' property rights & work around Civil Rights protections, resulting
INEVITABLY in such outrages as I documented in Marin County against a tiny
handful of Orthodox Jews & in San Clemente against the only Asian woman
with a house inside the HOA district harrassed for ten years before the
law stepped in. 200 to 800 neighborhoods & incorporated condos in one
town, eh? All of which at LEAST have the OPTION of being racist,
heterosexist, agist, & antisemitic, & generally function with one or more
category within that option very much activated. Minorities shopping for
homes, then, are expected to write off as off-bounds THAT many
communities??

Clearly you people have got to be stopped!

For fortunately you don't control quite such a big percentage of the
housing marketplace. And unfortunately for your dream, though it's been a
long while coming, a few state, federal, & county government agences ARE
finally beginning to undermine these "special" qualities of homeowner
associations. I expect additional dragged-out court cases & state-by-state
legislation will in the future further limit your scary "options" to
decide the age, race, sexual orientation, or religion of people permitted
to buy a home in incorporated neighborhoods. Sure, the option to
orchestrate racist housing at any time you so elect does still exist
today. But in increasing numbers of regions, it's getting harder rather
than easier to suffer no legal repurcussions, even if in all cases the
governmental approach has had to be "novel" from the hate-crime angle &
foreclosure-angle & banned-funding angle & so on. And even the most overt
racists among you HOArs may decide tolerance is after all a better idea
than continuously having the HOA dues raised to cover the court costs of
preserving that one & only thing which inspired the HOA movement in the
first place.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"john wardle" wrote:

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , Rico
wrote:

[CLIPPED, some EXCELLENT stuff for a change! -- & what a relief to see
that not EVERYone is a head-in-hole Vox type! I will keep unclipped
only
what I reply to, but anyone of intelligence will want to have read it
all.]

I've never heard of a Christian housing district. Are you sure of
your
facts?

The vast majority of Homeowner Associations automatically reject Jews.
Saint Ole's original wordings & recommendations for how to form a
neighborhood corporation free of anyone but Christian whites even
prohibited Hindus, as if that were any great worry in San Clemente.

And how do they know someone is a jew? Are they checking some part of
the
anatomy? The would be the first clue to not move in......



The racist, christian, conspirasy-theory organization "Retaking
America"
which is worried about the One World Government's desire to force
integration of God's people with mud people, today still promotes
Homeowner Associations as a key weapon for the continuing & express
purpose of keeping neighborhoods exclusively white & "their kind" of
christian.

Your bigotry is showing....

I'm just a little surprised you'd define disliking an avowedly racist
movement (which supports HOAs because HOAs is a short-cut to preserving
their right to enforce discrimination in an entire neighborhood) as itself
bigotted. Okay, i LOVE bigots, I hope my neighborhood FILLS UP with
bigots. If I refuse to attend their queer-bashing party or don't take my
turn burning crosses on a black family's lawn, am I still a bigot not to
help out?

I know, I know, you were being satiric, & you don't share Retaking
AMerica's conviction that Black & Jewish Mud People, assisted by the
United Nations, are taking over America. But the creepier sorts
participating in this thread are going to think you weren't pretending &
that you're a complete dunderhead like themselves!

However, when Retaking America came out against "evil" King Bush II,
Master of the One World Order, for waging war because of pretend-weopons
of destruction, I had this creepy feeling that I agreed with them about
something -- as creepy as the VERY LAST TIME i ever showed up to picket
against an offensive film & found that that Holy Rollers were also
picketing it. Inducing me to buy a ticket. The film turned out to be okay.

-paghat the ratgirl

I may be willing to re-think my position on your apparent bigotry...But this
is just way too funny!

As a former employee of the federal government, I must tell you that I felt
duty bound after reading this to notify authorities. You should hear the
black helicopters overhead any minute now.....

In article , "Bob Ahnmeischaft"
wrote:

"paghat" wrote:

Thing is, there's ALWAYS something to report, if you have some "I'm the
cops" style loony neighbor with a bug up their butt looking hard enough.

Ya know...you've got a great web page, and some lovely gardens. But you
really need to take up yoga or something - you're too tense and your...oh
hell...your diatribes sound a bit angrier than perhaps you ought to be.

I find HOAs and overly restrictive covenants to be odious.

That's good enough for me!

However, people who buy homes in neighborhoods with HOAs or restrictive
covenants are made aware of these restrictions before they buy in.

But HOA mentality likes to believe they control between 200 & 800
neighborhoods in a single community. They don't, of course, & the two
pro-HOA wackjobs who claimed they already have made such inroads obviously
like to BELIEVE they're that powerful, & indeed in some few areas there
enough incorporated housing districts that "if you don't like it, go
elsewhere" amounts to segregation.

And when "innocent" buyers are welcomed & shown the restrictions they'll
live under, they often don't know until it is too late that in fact the
OPTION to enforce racist standards IS in full force, & as lawsuits against
HOAs increase in number for this reason, your dues will be raised to cover
the court costs.

Now, I have no problem with minimal standards of maintenance, etc. You
know...cut the grass more than twice a summer, or at least plant something
that looks good at 12" tall, 'cause bluegrass ain't it. Don't leave your
bombed-out '72 Impala in the side yard. Try to maintain your house in a
basic state of repair - it doesn't have to be perfect, but, you know, take
care of it.

Unfortunately, where rustic is defined as run-down, one ends up in a
sterile environment -- culturally sterile because of the racist factor,
aesthetically st erile because a horribly ugly brand spanking new tin
garage door facing the road, & a plastic garden shed, are judged "good,"
but a rustic dwelling & much else quaint & beautiful is banned.

Other of your points though I clipped 'em for space, were very balanced &
thoughtful, & I liked the post even where I might assess issues a bit
differently.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

In article , "Dave Allyn"
(Dave Allyn) wrote:

But your "right" or "option" to join a HOA where the percentage of
minorities drops dramatically (to as low as zero percent ) doesn't look so
nifty, not if the day before you went house-hunting you naively believed
that discriminatory housing policies was illegal in all cases, only to
discover a half-dozen of the surrunding neighborhoods "coincidentally"
only sell to whites & a huge percentage of houses on the market aren't for
you -- & turns out there's very little you can do about it even if you
were brave enough to force the issue & forge a path amidst all those
honkies.


The other thing to thing about is this: would you want to live in a
place where you knoew everyone around didn't want you there, and was
watching your every move? Not to mention you were accused (in the
courts of public opinion) everything something was missing from
someone's house?

The people who HAVE forged inroads where they're unwanted I consider
brave, in some cases heroic, & for far too many it cost them their lives.
I couldn't do it either.

I am whilte, and while I have nothing against any other races, I don't
htink I would be comforatable moving in to an all-hispanic, or
al-black area.

I've lived in predominantly black & asian neighborhoods & loved these
communities. I've visited lilywhite neighborhoods & felt very
uncomfortable, & my discomfort was rarely baseless. I think what you
outline is the result of unfamiliarity & you give evidence of the harm
segregation does even to someone such as yourself, that you find yourself
having to admit discomfort with races you know you have no need to
despise.

I wouldn't fit. everyone would alway look at, and
treat me like an outsider. I have seen the same thing here in the
town I live in. there are about 1000 people. all bt about 10 of them
are white.. anytime something is stolen, of missing, or broken, it's
always "those damn ni$$ers" that did it.... Mean while they keep to
themselves,

That's exactly the sort of thing you should NOT be comfortable around.
That you recognize these honkies' racism, but are nevertheless more
comfortable with them, is a terrible thing for your own growth & humanity.
Though I can certainly imagine that such a small town might not provide
you as many options as would be more humanly rewarding.

You seem to be saying you're comfortable in the manner of a chameleon.
Because your skin's the same color as that of racists, you're not at risk.
Personally that wouldn't comfort me. I recognize my "white privilege" in
this regard, & know to some degree I benefit in certain ways that black
skin never can. But it still strikes me as creepy rather than
comfortable.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

paghat wrote:

[huge snip]

Clearly you people have got to be stopped!
[snipped a *bunch* more]

"You people"? Isn't that a code word for exactly the same kind of
segregation you're ranting about?

Wondering what Pag's real agenda is,
Bob

In article , "Bob Ahnmeischaft"
wrote:

"paghat" wrote

Homeowners Association as I documented thoroughly have a racist origin.

So...all are tainted by the ugly actions of some?

The movement is certainly tainted throughout by its origins. The fact that
HOA advocates in this thread have had NO sense of conscience in this
regard suggests even the "best" individuals (the least troublingly
malignant) support a racist status quo by their refusal to face reality. A
few HOAs are consciously, overtly seeking integration, & I still have
issues with a system that provides the OPTION of circumventing so many
basic Civil Rights, even if they never act on that option. The option
shouldn't even be there.

The reason it is still there is because in some contexts, such as
retirement communities, it seems to make sense that the retirees buying a
home in an age-restricted enclave have signed away their right to ever
have their grandchild live with them, even if the kid's mom & dad get
killed by a drunk driver. To others it "makes sense" that Christians
should be able to ban together & incoporate their whole neighborhood to be
uniformly Christian. To the government, some of these options are legal
only if government funding is not used, & if inside-HOA private schools
get no government funding. But the result is too often incorporated
communities of 2,000 houses or more, the majority of buyers (all white) of
such low conscience & UNITENTIONAL racism that they simply really never
gave thought to why their street's lilywhite when the community at large
is 20% minorities. When a pattern emerges of that sort, the HOA activists
should be subject to imprisonment, fines, & foreclosures. So I don't think
even the "best excuse" reasons for discrimination are any good, & even
those HOAs which actively strive against the norm shouldn't even have the
option of circumventing other peoples' civil rights.

Is that really where
you're headed here? IIRC, Planned Parenthood was founded at least in part
on eugenicistic principles. Would you judge the current organization by

If you mean the stuff against Margaret Sanger, that was entirely
fabricated by anti-birth control activists. As for organizatiosn that
really were founded on eugenic principles & removed Sanger's
personal-choice/personal-rights philosophy to IMPOSE birth control on
blacks & the retarded -- some of those organizations do still exist, &
they are all still racist. So no, a bad origin does not evolve into a good
outcome. It certainly has not done so with HOAs. For as long as the OPTION
exists for incoporated neighborhoods to discriminate legally, they nature
of that system will remain racist.

Anyway, this is off-topic enough without going deeply into the mythic
capacity for anti-birth control, anti-choice, far-right loons popularizing
the idea that Sanger was a Eugenicist & therefore Planned Parenthood is
tainted. You can do a google search of "Planned Parrenthood" + "Nazi" or
+ "Nuremburg" or + "Eugenics" & get thousands of hits from people &
organizations who care nothing whatsoever about truth & use the tactic of
lying (which we've also seen in this thread as the primary means of
supporting HOAs!) because they have nothing good on their side if they
adhere to the truth. Yet by sheer volume of the lying they are too often
assumed to have SOME truth underlying what really is pure nonsense. But
here's the truth:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...utput=gpla in

From which I will quote only Sanger's ACTUAL assessment of eugenics (of
which she disapproved most heartily):

"Eugenists imply or insist that a woman's first duty is to the state; we
contend that her duty to herself is her first duty to the state. We
maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive
functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her
child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is
her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether
she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if
she chooses to become a mother." [Birth Control Review, Feb 1919]

If Sanger's organization had had a Eugenic origin, damned right, I would
not support it today. Fortunately there's not a lick of truth to that. But
HOAs do have a racist history, still are to the great majority actively
racist, & even when not racist do have under law the option of being so.

-paghat the ratgirl


Now there you go just with your head in a hole. Homeowner Associations are
semi-independently governed entities which, if they do not accept
government funding of the HUD sort, do not have to follow
antidiscrimination laws.

Um. Hm. Care to reveal your source on this one? My understanding of the
Fair Housing Act (enforced or not) is that it applies to nearly everyone,
including HOAs, condo nazi boards, and cooperative apartment boards.
Religious outfits can discriminate, but even tehy aren't allowed to
discriminate on the basis of race or ethnicity.

Because incorporation gets private clubs & HOAs around such things as Fair
Housing, a whole slug of secondary laws & ammendments have been passed
state-by-state in an attempt to undermine the HOA option or privilege of
being racist if they want to. The specific law I alluded to I can cite,
yes: Legislation sponsored by Senator Burton (San Francisco Democrat)
Senate Bill 1148 in 1999, & Assembly Bill 1493 by Assemblyman George
Nakano (D, Torrence) in 2000, were signed into law by the Governor of
California in 2000. These laws provide that discriminatory language in
covenants & any racist restrictions even within Homeowners Associations in
California can be voided by the purchaster (but it's entirely OPTIONAL to
do so!). It unfortunately in no way makes the racist policies illegal
even now, but when someone attempts to sell their HOA-controlled home to
an "inappropriate" family, & the HOA interfers, the seller can since 2000
sue to recover damages.

If Fair Housing Act had already covered this, the new legislation
wouldn't've been required, but this law alone did not change the overall
right of HOAs to circumvent civil rights, it merely made it possible for
sellers when harmed by to sue the HOAs. Some of the behavior of the HOAs
was already illegal, yes, but there were zero means of enforcement,
requiring new legislation to be even moderately enforceable. Other
post-2000 legislation has been enacted. This is all for California only, a
state in the vaguard of undermining incorporated neighborhoods' right to
discriminate. In the majority of states there is still not even a token
attempt to enforce Fair Housing in incorporated HOA neigbhorhoods, so even
IF some of the Fair Housing Act were found to apply, most HOAs have never
had to ammend even their official documents, let alone go even further &
actually permit integration. In many cases, when the charters & deeds &
regulations are "corrected" to remove overt racism, the HOA continues by
all other means to behave racistly keeping their neighborhood from ever
becoming integrated, & the government even if motivated cannot take on
thousands of cases each of which would take years to prosecute & be
difficult to prove. But at least a rebel within the HOA has options,
whether or not would-be buyers always do.

The strange thing is that these laws regard official language in charters
& deeds & do not alter behavior that keeps HOAs lilywhite. I guess it's
because behavior is hard to prove in court even if outcomes of lilywhite
HOAs make it pretty obvious. Garth Warth, a reporter for the North County
Times covering the legacy of racism in the Placido del Mar HOA, citing
post-2000 legislation that has permitted legal actions against HOA racism
in the last thee years, said: "With homeowners associations now required
to remove the restrictions, and with homeowners having a streamlined
process to erase them from their deeds, it may be a matter of time before
the days of racial restrictions become a distant memory." The key word
there is "may come a time" because that time is not yet upon us! And even
such patches as California have laid over the Fair Housing Act have been
restricted advancements, & are not federal, but must be undertaken state
by state. Test cases have made it to within inches of the supreme court
only to be returned for states to decide.

A 1988 California fair housing ammendment (in California) explicitely
PRESERVES the rights of retirement communities to ban grandparents from
raising their own grandchildren, or any other age-restriction. So while a
few gains made for minorities (slight though they are) have weakened HOA
racist agendas, agism is explicitly factored in as always unimpeded. The
legal arguments were for elder care communities; but the application has
been to any incorporated retirement community.

It would appear that your assertions are more correct WRT HOAs and suchlike
on the west coast and specifically California. But they don't apply
everywhere, perhaps not even most places.

Unfortunately because California, Texas, & Florida have been the first
states to "patch" a few of the holes in the Fair Housing Act, they're
actually BETTER than most of the states. My state (Washington) is behind
the curve. The western part of the state is fairly liberal & many HOA
housing neighborhoods are inteigrated but still have alarming options if
they didn't wish to be. Worse, incorporated individual condo HOAs &
limited equity coops are not integrated even marginally. There has been no
new legislation here (as there has been in California) to help enforce
Fair Housing standards. In Eastern Washington it seems no one even
questions it, but there are activists on the coast striving to change
things. Unfortunately HOA lobbyists are very powerful here, & not a one of
them has even one liberal ideas.

I can't even freakin' believe I'm essentially defending something I hate,
but here I am.

Because you see the faults too, you were at least able to launch of
defense that was thoughtful & sensitively done, so I'm impressed.

-paggers

Bob

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote:

"Julia Green" wrote in message
...
I believe Vox had said that there were hundreds in one *neighborhood.
That's an exaggeration.

No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a community.
I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that
county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very
close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in my
county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not
evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about 200,000
communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County, MD
would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared with
the nation as a whole.

Interesting that your method of argument is to tell a lie, have the lie
corrected, then tell it again. I've noticed a lot of rightwingers do that
-- just keep repeating the same lie over & over & over no matter how often
it is corrected.

But once mo That list you gave included HOAs in Virginia, Washington
DC, & Maryland. It included civic associations that are not HOAs, & it
included single-building condominium HOAs that are not neigbhoroods.

If such a density of HOA neighborhoods exists in a single community
anywhere in the United States, you came nowhere close to proving it by
repeating your whopper here.

But if it IS true somewhere, that would be absolutely horrifying to any
decent human being, pleasing though it may be for you.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

it was a metal fence and they dont consider a metal fence to be decorative. Ingrid

"Vox Humana" wrote:


wrote in message
...
exactly my point!!!!! there is NO PERMIT REQUIRED FOR A DECORATIVE FENCE.
right.
thats what it was, less than 3' in height and 50% open and when the vines
grew up it,
decorative.
what it says is a fence on the lot line (all around the yard) DOES NOT
REQUIRE A
PERMIT when it is less than 3 feet high and "open".

What was reason given when you were ordered to remove the fence?




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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

typically HOA says the puppies gotta be outta there by 4 months or something like
that. Ingrid


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

In article , zxcvbob
wrote:

paghat wrote:

[huge snip]

Clearly you people have got to be stopped!
[snipped a *bunch* more]

"You people"? Isn't that a code word for exactly the same kind of
segregation you're ranting about?

Wondering what Pag's real agenda is,
Bob

If you're one of those loons worried I'm out to see the demise of all
white people, stop worryin', that wouldn't be so good for my white ass
either.

-paghat

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

"Julia Green" wrote in message
...

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
.. .

No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a
community.
I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that
county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very
close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in
my
county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not
evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about
200,000
communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County,
MD
would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared
with
the nation as a whole.

Oh, I thought you were the one who talked about hundreds of HOAs in one
community or neighborhood. I was mistaken.

I don't know if Montgomery Co. has a disproportionate number of HOAs or
not.
But Montgomery Village alone probably accounts for about 75 of them, at
least. Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there
are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V.

I see that here, but not to the extent that is in a highly developed area
like the DC suburbs.

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote:

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , Tom J
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:09:43 -0400, Ann wrote:

Tom J expounded:


This entire thread remains clueless except for some insight by
Vox....

Sorry, but I find Vox to be as rabid as Paghat on this one.


OK Ann, but living in a communality with hundreds of HOA's I see
none of the rantings validated.

Some people don't HAVE to care, so never even bother to look. You
don't
see what you couldn't care less about.

Tell me what single community has HUNDREDS of HOAs while you're at it.
By
HUNDREDS you mean 200 HOAs right in your neighborhood? Three or four
hundred? Six hundred? Should be easy for you to name 10% of them then,
or
grab your Yellow Pages & list the ones that start with "S" -- that
should
be a good 20 out of 200 right there.

Someone mentioned that they lived in an area called Montgomery Village
that
had a lot of HOAs. If you go to the Montgomery County HOA page you will
see
a list of over 800 HOA listed.
http://www.communitiesonline.org/sta...ontgomery/hoa/

The majority of that page lists single-building condo associations, &
lists them randomly throughout Virginia, Washington D.C., & Maryland, &
includes unincorporated civic associations that are not HOAs.

Oh, now I see the problem. You can't read! I guess that you didn't realize
that the page is titled "Montgomery County Homeowners Associations" and that
the words "Home Owners Association" and "HOA" in the titles of all the
organizations refer to organizations of people who own homes. Just for fun,
why don't you tell me of the following list, which of the Homeowners
Associations listed on that page are not Homeowners Associations, but
instead "unincorporated civic associations?"

Montgomery County Homeowners Associations
Ashley Hollow HOA, Inc.
Ashley Manor (HOA)
Ashley Place at Tanglewood HOA
Ashton Oaks HOA Inc.
Ashton Pond Community Assn. Inc.
Ashton Village Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Aspen Hill Park Community Assn.
Audobon Square Community Assoc.Inc.
Avalon Farms Homeowners Association
Avenel Community Association Inc.
Avenshire Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Avery Village (HOA)
Avonshire Homeowners AssociationInc.
Badger Drive HOA
Bannockburn Ridge HOA Inc.
Barrington HOAInc.
Beacon Place Homeowners AssociationInc.
Beallmount Community Association
Bel Pre Square
Bel1Pre Recreational AssociationInc.
Bell Glen
Bellwood Community CouncilInc.
Bennington Community Assoc.Inc.
Bethesda Crescent HOA
Bethesda Place Community CouncilInc.
Big Pines Village HOA Inc.
Birnam Wood Community Association
Blackburn Village HOA Inc.
Blue Smoke Homeowners AssociationInc.
Blunt Commons Homeowners AssociationInc.
Bonaire Homes AssociationInc.
Bonifant Village Citizens Assn.Inc.
Bonifant Woods Homeowners Association
Bonihill HOAInc.
Bowie Mill Park
Bradford Park HOA
Bradley Park Homeowners Assoc.IncThe
Bramble Bush Court HOAInc.
Brandermill AssociationInc.The
Branford Park HOAInc.
Briarcliff Manor Homeowners Association
Briars Acres Community AssociationInc.
Briggs Chaney Woods Community Assn.I.
Brighton Homeowners AssociationInc.
Brighton HomesInc.
Brighton Knolls Community Assn.Inc.
Brinkwood Community AssociationInc.
Broadmore Hills Community Services Assn.Inc.
Brook Farm
Brooke Manor HOA
Brookeville Farm HOAInc.
Brookeville Knolls Homeowners Assoc.In
Burnt Mills Square HOA
Burton Woods
Burton's Mill HOA
Cabin John GardensInc.
Calverton Townes HOAInc.
Camberley of Potomac
Cambridge Cluster HOAInc.
Cambridge Heights HOAInc.
Cambridge Walk Homeowner's AssociationInc.
Camelot Mews HOAInc.
Cameron Mill HOAInc.
Candle Ridge
Candlewood Park HOAInc.
Capella Homeowners AssociationInc.
Capri Place Homeowners Assn.
Carderock Springs Citizens Assn.Inc.
Carderock Springs HOA
Carderock Springs South HOAInc.
Carlton Place HOAInc.
Carmelita HOAInc.
Carriage Walk HOAInc.
Carter Hill HOAInc.
Carver Terrace Community Assn.
Cashell EstatesInc.
Castle Cliff Court Townhouse
Castle Gate Townhouse Assoc.Inc.
Cedar Village
Chadsberry HOAInc.
Chadswood HOAInc.
Champlain at Environ (TH Assoc.)
Charlene at Goshen Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Charles Walk Community Assn.Inc.
Chequers of Potomac
Cherrywood Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Cherrywood Townhouse Community Assn.Inc.
Chesley Knoll Court HOAInc.
Chevy Chase Park Community Assn.
Chevy Chase Terrace Community Assn.
Chevy Chase Valley Assn.
Chevy Chase West Neighborhood Assn.Inc.
Chevy Chase Woods
Christie Estates HOAInc.
Churchill Community FoundationInc.(The)
Churchill East Community Assn.Inc. (The)
Churchill East Village Community AssociationInc.
Churchill Village South HOAInc. (The)
Cinnamon Woods Homes Association
City Commons of Bethesda HOAInc.
Clagett Farm HOAInc.
Claridge View
Clearspring Manor HOAInc.
Cloisters HOAInc.
Cloisters HOAInc.
Cloppers Mill Community Assn.Inc.
Clopper's Mill HOAInc.
Clopper's Mill West Community Assn.Inc.
College Gardens Civic Assn.Inc.
College Square Community Assn.Inc.
College Station HOAInc.
College View Estates Citizens AssociationInc.
Collingwood HOAInc.
Connecticut Overlook HOAInc.
Copenhaver Homes CorporationInc.
Countryside (HOA)
Courthouse Walk HOA
Courts of Flower Hill HOAInc.
Courts of Four Seasons HOAInc. (The)
Courts of Springbrook HOAInc.
Courts of Towne Center HOAInc.
Courtyards at Rio Community Assn.Inc. (The)
Coventry West
Crawford Farm Homeowners AssociationInc.
Crawford Farm Townhouse AssociationInc.
Crestberry HOAInc. (The)
Crockett Lane Homeowners Association
Cypress HOAInc.
Damascus Manor Townhouse Assoc.Inc.
Damascus Valley HOAInc.
Damascus Valley Park Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Darnestown Knolls HOAInc.
Darnstown Hills HOA (See Pond Ridge HOA 1 Non filed)
Decoverly Adventure
Decoverly Community Assn.Inc.
Decoverly Community Assn.Inc.
Decoverly I Homeowners Assn.
Decoverly III HOAInc.
Decoverly III Townhouse Association
Decoverly IV Condominium
Decoverly IV Townhome Assn.Inc.
Deer Park Community Assn.Inc.
Deer Park Place HOA (from Hedrick)
Derwood Station HOA#2Inc.
Derwood Station HOAInc.
Derwood Station South HOAInc.(The)
Destiny Road Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Devonshire East Homeowners Assoc.
Devonshire HOAInc.
Diamond Farm Homes Corporation
Diamond Farms Village HOA
Doral Homeowners AssociationInc.
Dorsey Estates HOAInc.
Douglas Woods Community Assn.Inc.
Drumaldry Homes Assoc.Inc.
Drumaldry Oaks HOA
Drumaldry Oaks HOA
Dufief Homes Assn.Inc.
Dufief Manor HOAInc.
Dufief Mill Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Dufief Mill East CA Inc. is now Dufief Mill Estates HOA Inc.
Dufief Mill Estates HOA Inc. Was Dufief Mill East CA Inc.
Dumont Oaks Community Assoc.Inc.
East Edgemoor Homeowners (Property Owners) Assn.
East Gate I Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
East Gate II Homeowners Assoc.Inc.(The)
East Gate III Homes Assoc.Inc.. (The)
East Village Homes Corporation
Eastgate Homes Corporatin
Eastgate Homes Corporation
Eastgate IV Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
Echo Dale 1 see Bennington CA
Edgemoor Citizens AssociationInc.
Edinburgh Village HOAInc.
Eldwick Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
Elizabeth's Delight Community Association
Emory Grove Hills
Environ HOAInc.
Estates at Rivers Edge
Fairland Acres HOAInc.
Fairland Estates HOAInc.
Fairland Farms
Fairland Green AssociationInc. (The)
Fairland Park AssociationInc.
Fairland Ridge Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Fairland Ridge/Landfare?
Fairland Springs (HOA)
Falls Bend HOAInc.(The)
Falls Ridge Homeowners AssociationInc.
Fallsbend HOA
Fallsberry HOA Inc.(The)
Fallsgate HOA Inc.
Fallsmead Citizens AssociationInc. (The)
Fallsmead Homes Corporation
Fallsreach HOA Inc.(The)
Fallstone HOA Inc.
Fallswick HOA Inc.
Fernshire Farms HOA Inc.
First Aquarius Home Assn.Inc.(The)
Flint Hill Farm Estates
Flint Ledge Estates Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Flints Grove HOAInc.(The)
Flower Hill Central Corporation Inc.
Flower Hill North HOA Inc.
Flower Hill North II HOA Inc.
Forest Knolls Community Assn.Inc.
Fountain Hills Community Assn.Inc.
Fox Chapel Assn.Inc.(The)
Fox Chapel North Homes Assn.Inc.
Fox Den HOAInc.
Fox Hills Green Commmunity Assn.Inc.
Fox Hills North Comm. Assn.
Fox Hills West Citizen Assn.Inc.
Fox North Community Assn.
Foxborough at Grosvenor HOA
Foxhall Square (Townhouse) Assn.Inc.
Foxlake Community AssociationInc.
Foxwood Development HOA
Foxwood Home Owners Assn.Inc.
Gablefield
Gamewell Community Association
Garland Cooperative HomesInc.
Gateway Commons HOAInc.
Georgian Colonies Community Services Assn.Inc.(The)
Germantown Estates HOA
Germantown Place HOAInc.
Germantown Station Homeowners Association Inc.
Germantown Village HOA Inc.
Glen Homeowners Association Inc. (The)
Glen Mar Park Community Assn.
Glenarden Forest HOA Inc.
Glenbrooke
Glenfield North Assn.Inc.
Glenmont Station (HOA)
Goldsboro HOAInc.
Goshen Community Association (The)
Goshen Estates Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Goshen Homeowners Association
Goshen Manor Homeowners Association Inc.
Goshen Run HOA
Grace Church Court HOA
Great Pines Community Assoc.
Greater Aspen Hill Community Assn.Inc. (The)
Greater Glen Mill Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Green Acres Corporation
Green Acres1Glen Cove Community Assn.
Green Hill Farms
Greenbrook Estates HOA Inc.
Greencastle Lakes Comm. Assoc.
Greencastle Park Corporation
Greencastle Woods Comm. Assoc.
Greencastle Woods HOA (1)Inc.
Greenfield Station HOA Inc.
Greenridge Estates HOA Inc.
Grosvenor HOA Inc.
Grosvenor Park Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Grosvenor Park Townhouse Assoc.
Grosvenor Square HOA Inc.
Grosvenor Woods HOA Inc.
Gum Springs Farm Homeowners Assoc.
Gunners Lake Homeowners Association
Gunners Lake Village Association
Gunners View HOA Inc.
Haddonfield Homeowners Association Inc.
Hadley Farms Community Assn.Inc.
Hadley Farms Community Assn.Inc.
Hallmark Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Hallmark Woods Propery Owners Assn.Inc.
Hallowell Farm
Hallowell HOAInc. (The)
Hamlet Citizens Assn. (of Chevy ChaseMd.)
Hamlet Place Owners Inc.
Hamlet Station HOA Inc.
Hampshire Greens HOA Inc.
Hampton Estates Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Harding's Run (HOA)
Harvest Hunt Farm AssociationInc.
Harvest Knolls HOA Inc.
Heritage Farm HOA Inc.
Heritage Preserve Inc.
Heritage Walk Homes Corporation
Hickory Ridge
Hidden Orchard HOA Inc.
Highlands Homeowners Assn.Inc.The
Highlands of Harford Community HOA Inc.
Hillandale HOA
Hilltop Square HOA Inc.
Hollow Tree Farm HOA Inc.
Holly Point
Hollybrooke Community Assn.
Homecrest HOA
Homecrest II HOA Inc.
Homeland Village Community Assn.Inc.
Hunters Trace
Hunters Woods HOA
Hunting Hill Estates HOA Inc.
Hunting Ridge Community Assn.Inc.
Hunting Woods Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Huntington Crest Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Hyde Park Recreational Assoc.Inc.
Inverness Assn.Inc.
Inverness Forest Association Inc.
Inverness Forest Citizens Assn.
Inverness North HOA Inc.
Inverness Village
Iverleigh Community AssociationInc.
Iverleigh HOA Inc.
Jaystone Court HOA Inc.
Jefferson Place HOA Inc.
Jefferson Square HOA Inc.
Jonathans Trace HOA Inc.
Jones Hill HOA Inc.
Keeneland Homeowners Association Inc.
Kemp Mill Forest Community Association
Kemp Mill Homeowners Associaion
Kemp Mill Square HOA Inc.
Kensington Heights HOA Inc.
Kensington Mews HOA Inc
Kensington Ridge HOA Inc.
Kensington Woods HOA Inc.
Kentlands Citizens Assembly Inc.
Kentsdale Estates HOA Inc.
Kenwood Court Homes Association Inc.
Kenwood House Coop
Kimberleigh at Flower Hill HOA Inc.
Kimberleigh I Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Kimberleigh II Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Kimberly Woods TH Comm. Assn.
King Farm Citizens Assembly Inc.
King Farm Conservancy Inc.
Kings Bridge HOA Inc.
Kings Grant Recreation Assoc.Inc.
Kings Valley Manor Community Association
Kingsview Knolls
Kingsview Ridge Community Assn.Inc.
Kingsview Village HOA Inc.
Kinsman Farm HOA Inc.
Lake Hallowell HOA Inc.
Lakeforest Glen HOA Inc.
Landmark Station HOA Inc.
Layhill Square Homeowners Association
Layhill View HOA Inc.
Layhill View Section Two HOA Inc.
Layhill View Townhouse Assoc.Inc.
Laytonia Homeowners Association Inc.
Legend Crest Homeowners Association Inc.
Legend Hollow ? HOA
Leisure World Community Corp.Inc.
Limestone Court Homeowners Association
Linden Walk HOA Inc.
Littleford HOA Inc.
Llewellyn Fields HOA Inc.
Longdraft Estates HOA Inc.
Longmead Crossing Community Services Assn.Inc.
MacArthur Park HOA
MacArthur Park HOA Inc.
Mains HOA Inc.(The)
Manchester Farm Community Assn.Inc.
Manor Country ClubInc. (?Comm.Assn.)
Manor Lake HOA Inc.
Manor Oaks Neighborhood Assn.Inc.
Manor Ridge HOA Inc.
Manor Towne Mutual HomesInc.(The)
Manor Village Homes Assn.Inc. (The)
Maplewood Park HOA Inc.
Marion Woods Homeowners Assn.
Martin's Landing HOA Inc.
Marwood HOA Inc.
Maryland Farms Comm. Service Assn.Inc.
Maryland Place Homes Corporation
Mazza Wood HOA
Mazza Woods Citizens Assn.Inc.
McFarlin South Community Assn.Inc.
Meadow Creek HOA Inc.
Meadow Valley HOA Inc.
Meadowgate
Meadows at North Lake
Meadowvale HOA Inc.
Meadowvale West HOA Inc.
Melwood Springs Homeowner's Assn.Inc.
Merrimack Park HOA Inc.
Merry1Go1Round Clusters HOA Inc.
Merry1Go1Round Farm HOA Inc.
Middle Village Homes Corporation
Middlebridge Village HOA Inc.(The)
Middlebrook Commons HOA
Middlebrook Commons Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Middlebrook Hills Community Assn.
Middlebrook HOA Inc.
Middlebrook Manor North HOA Inc.
Middlebrook Manor South HOA Inc.
Milestone HOA. Inc.
Milestone Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Mill Creek Forest Community Assn.Inc.
Mill Creek Forest HOA Inc.
Mill Creek Towne East HOA Inc.
Mill Creek Towne West HOA Inc.
Millstone HOAInc. (The)
Mineral Springs HOA Inc.
Mineral Springs Village HOA Inc.
Montclair Manor HOA 2 Inc.
Montclair Manor HOA 3
Montclair Manor HOA Inc.
Montgomery Assn.Inc.
Montgomery CountyAshford HOA Inc.
Montgomery Highlands Estates HOA Inc.
Montgomery Highlands HOA Inc.
Montgomery Knolls Community Assn.Inc.
Montgomery Manor HOA Inc.
Montgomery Meadows HOA Inc.
Montgomery Mews Community Assn.Inc.
Montgomery Mutual Inc.
Montgomery Place Community Assn.Inc.
Montgomery Village Foundation (Umbrella)
Montgomery West HOA Inc.
Montrose Forest Homeowners Assoc Inc.
Montrose Village HOA
Montvale Homeowners Association Inc.
Morningside HOA Inc.
Mount Oak Manor HOA Inc.
Mountain Village HOA Inc.
Mountainview Estates HOA Inc.
Naples Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Natalie Estates HOA Inc.
Needwood
Neelsville Estates HOA
New Mark Commons Homes AssociationInc.(The)
Newbridge Citizens Assn.Inc. (The)
Norbec Grove Community Assn.Inc.
Norbeck Chase Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Norbeck Crest (HOA?)
Norbeck Hills (Oaks) Homeowners Assoc.
Norbeck Hills HOA Inc.
Norbeck Hills Homes Inc.
Norbeck Manor HOA Inc.
Norbeck Woods Homeowners Assoc.
Normandie Farm Estates
Normandie Farm HOA Inc.
Normandy Falls HOA Inc.(The)
Normandy Hills HOA Inc.
North Bonifant Woods HOA
North Farm Citizens AssociationInc.
North Gate Hall Community Assn.Inc.
North Glen Hills Homeowners Assn.Inc.
North Kensington Mews Homes Assoc.
North Lake Village Federation Inc.
North Lake Woods HOAInc.
North Sherwood Forest HOA
North Village Homes Corporation
Northgate Homes Corporation
Norwood Village HOA
Oak Fair HOA Inc.
Oak Grove HOA Inc.
Oak Hollow Community Assn.Inc.
Oak Landing HOA Inc.
Oak Springs HOA
Oak Springs Townhome Owners Assn.
Oak Springs Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Oak Terrace HOA Inc.
Oakhills Community Assn.Inc.
Oakhurst Community Assn.Inc.
Oakhurst HOA Inc.
Oakland Mills Community Assn.Inc.
Oakview Knolls Townhouse Assn.
Oakwood Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Oatland Farm HOA Inc.
Old Georgetown Village HOA Inc.
Olde Coach Square HOA Inc.(The)
Olde Potomac Park Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Olde Seneca Woods Community Assn.Inc.
Olney Crossing HOA Inc.
Olney Mill Community Assn.Inc.
Olney Oaks Single Family HOA Inc.
Olney Oaks Townhouse Association Inc.
Olney Square HOA Number 2 Inc.
Olney Square HOA Inc.
Olney Towne AssociationInc. (The)
Orange's HOA Inc.(The)
Orchard Glen HOA Inc.
Orchard Hills HOA Inc.
Orchard Knolls HOA Inc.
Orchard Place HOA Inc.
Orchard Valley HOA Inc.
Orchard View Community Assn.Inc.
Orchards Homeowners AssociationInc.(The)
Overbrook at Flower Hill HOA Inc.
Overlook at Northlake HOA Inc.(The)
Overlook Hills Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Overlook HOA Inc.
Oxford Crossing
Paint Branch Park Condominium
Palisades AssociationInc.
Park Gate (HOA)
Park Overlook HOA Inc.
Park Place Association Inc.
Park Summit HOA Inc.
Park Terrace Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Parker Farm HOA Inc.
Parkside at Flower Hill HOA Inc.
Patton Ridge Homes Corporation
Peachwood (Estates) HOA Inc.
Pembrooke Village HOA
Penbrooke Comm. Assn.Inc.
Penbrooke Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Persimmon Point Home Owners Assn.Inc.
Persimmon Tree Community Assn.Inc.
Pickwick Village HOA Inc.(The)
Plantations Community Assoc.Inc.
Plantations Two Community Association
Plaza Gardens Community Assn.Inc.
Plyers Mill Crossing HOA Inc.
Pond Ridge HOA (See Darnstown Hills HOA)
Poplar Springs HOA
Potomac Bend HOA Inc.
Potomac Chase Estates Citizens Assoc.
Potomac Chase HOA Inc.
Potomac Commons
Potomac Crest HOA Inc.
Potomac Crossing Homeowners Association Inc.
Potomac Estates HOA Inc.
Potomac Falls HOA Inc.
Potomac Farms HOA Inc.(The)
Potomac Fields HOA
Potomac Glen Community Assn.Inc.
Potomac Grant HOA Inc.
Potomac Grove HOA Inc.
Potomac Hills HOA Inc.
Potomac Hunt Run HOA Inc.
Potomac Manors HOA Inc.
Potomac Meadows HOA Inc.
Potomac Mews
Potomac Mill Farm HOA Inc.
Potomac Pointe HOA
Potomac Pond HOA Inc.
Potomac Ridge HOA Inc.
Potomac Station HOA Inc.
Potomac Towne HOA
Potomac Village HOA Inc. (Could be Villages of Potomac)
Pratt Station HOA Inc.
Preakness Drive HOA Inc.
Prescott at Avenel Assn.Inc.
Preserve at Small's Nursery HOA
Promenade Towers Mut. Housing Corp.
Quail Ridge Townhouse Association Inc.
Quail Run of Darnestown HOA Inc.
Quail Valley HOA Inc.
Quince Orchard Estates
Quince Orchard HOA Inc.
Quince Orchard Park Community Assn.Inc.
Quincehaven HOA Inc.
Ramblewood HOA Inc.
Rannoch Road HOA Inc.
Red Barn Lane HOA Inc.
Redgate Farms Comm. Association Inc.
Redland Crossing HOA Inc.
Redland Homeowners AssociationInc. (The)
Redland Station Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
Relda HOA Inc.
Relda Square HOA
Ridgefield CitizensInc.
Ridgeleigh Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Ridgeleigh HOA
Ridgeview Community Association
Ridgeview Estates HOA Inc.
Ridgeview Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Ridgewood Park HOA
River Falls Homeowners AssociationInc.
Riverhill HOA Inc.
Rivers Edge HOA Inc.
Riverside Terrace HOA Inc.
Riverwood HOA
Roberts Glen HOA
Robey Road Commuters Assn.Inc.
Rock Creek Hills HOA
Rock Creek Manor Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Rock Creek Palisades Citizens Assn.Inc.
Rockcrest Courts Assn.Inc.
Rockshire Association Inc.
Rolling Acres Community Assn.
Rolling Acres HOA Inc.
Rolling Spring(s) HOA Inc.
Rome Village HOA Inc.
Rosehill Falls Comm. Assoc.
Rosehill Falls Comm. Assoc. Use HOA 336
Rosemary Village Coopertive Inc.
Rosewood Estates HOA Inc.
Rosewood Manor Homeowners Association Inc.
Saddle Creek HOA
Saddle Creek Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Saddlebrook AssociationInc.
Sandy Spring Meadow Owners' Assn.Inc.
Saybrooke HOA Inc.
Saybrooke II
Scientist's Cliffs Assn.Inc.(The)
Scotland Homeowners Association Inc.
Sedgewick Homeowners Association Inc.
Sedwick Home Association Inc.
Seek Court Townhome Association Inc.
Seneca Crossing Section I HOA Inc.
Seneca Crossing Section II HOA Inc.
Seneca Forest Community Association Inc.
Seneca Green Community Council Corp.
Seneca HOA Inc.
Seneca Mews HOA Inc.
Seneca Park HOA Inc.
Seneca Park North HOA Inc.
Seneca Whetstone HOA
Seven Locks Overlook Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Severn Run HOAInc.The
SGS Homeowners Association
Shady Grove Estates THA.Inc.
Shady Grove Estates THAII Inc.
Shady Grove III Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Shady Grove Recreation Assn.Inc. (The)
Shady Grove Station HOA Inc.
Shady Grove Station Sect.VIII HOA Inc.
Shady Grove Station Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Shady Grove Station West Civic Assn.Inc.
Shady Grove Village Community Council Corporation
Shady Grove Village Townhouse Assn.
Shady Grove Woods Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Shaker Woods HOA
Shores at North Lake HOA Inc.(The)
Silver Hill Heights HOA Inc.
Silverwood HOA Inc.
Sligo Housing Corporation
Sligo1Branview Community Assn.Inc.
Snowden's Mill HOAInc.
Snowdens Mill Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Snowdens Ridge Townhouse Assn
South Ridge Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
South Village Homes Corp.
Spring Garden Estates HOA Inc.
Spring Lawn Farm HOA
Spring Mill HOA
Spring Oak Community Assn.
Spring Ridge Estates HOA Inc.
Spruce Tree Village
Stedwick Homes Corporation
Stephen Knolls HOA
Stephen Knolls Townhouse Community Assn.Inc.
Stonebridge HOA Inc.
Stonebridge Homeowners AssociationInc.
Stonecrest North IV
Stonecrest of Potomac HOA Inc.
Stonegate Homeowners Association
Stoneridge Community Council Corp.1Trading as Seneca Green
Community Council 2115194
Stoneridge Community Council Corporation Inc.
Stoneview HOA
Stoney Creek Knoll
Stoneybrook Homeowners Association Inc.
Storms Retreat 1 may be a subdivision
Strand Residences of Potomac Crest HOA Inc. (The)
Stratford KnollsSubdiv for Wexford HOA
Stratford Mews HOA Inc.
Stratford Square HOA Inc.
Stratford Woods Homeowners Association
Strathmore Bel1Pre Civic Assn.Inc.
Strathmore HOA
Strathmore Place Association Inc.
Stratton Court Townhouse Assoc.Inc.
Strawberry Knolls
Sudbury House Condominium Assoc.Inc.
Summerhill HOA1See Meadow Valley HOA Inc. HOA #175.
Summerhill HOA Inc.(The)
Summerhill Townhouse Assn.
Summit Hall Community Assn.
Sumner Village Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Sunnymeade HOA Inc.
Surratts Village HOA Inc.
Surrey Walk Homeowners Association.Inc.
Sussex House
Sweepstakes HOA Inc.
Tall Oaks at Goshen Hunt
Tally1HO Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Tanglewood Recreational Assoc.Inc.
Tanglewood Single1Family HOA Inc.
Tanterra Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Tara Homeowners Association
Tartan Ridge HOA Inc.
Tattersall Woods HOA Inc.
Teversall HOAInc.(The)
Three Oaks Assn.Inc.
Thurston Community Assn.
Tilden Woods Citizens Assn.Inc.
Tilden Woods Park
Tildenwood HOA
Timberlawn
Timberlawn HOAInc.
Timberlawn South1Tuckerman Walk HOA Inc.
Timberline Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Timberwood HOAInc.
Timberwood on the ParkInc.
Tivoli Community Assoc.Inc.
Town and Country HOA Inc.
Towne Centre Place Owners' Assn.Inc.
Townes at Chestnut Oaks HOA Inc.
Townes at Environ
Townes at Walden HOA Inc.
Townes Portabello HOA (Potomac Estates HOA) ?
Treasure Oak Community Assoc.Inc.
Trophy Court HOA Inc.
Tuckerman Station HOA Inc.
Tuckerman Walk HOA
Turning Creek HOA Inc.
Twin Lakes HOA Inc.
University Towers Condominium
Valley Stream Estates HOA Inc.
Victoria Springs HOA Inc.
Village at Potomac HOA Inc. (The)
Village Gate HOA Inc.
Village Gate HOA Inc. (SEE 0105)
Village of James Creek HOA Inc.
Villages at Tower Oaks HOA Inc.
Vistas at Washingtonian Woods (HOA or Condo?)
Waddington Park HOA
Walnut Creek Homeowners Association
Walnut Creek Townhouse Association Inc.
Walnut Woods
Waring Station HOA Inc.
Warther Homes Association Inc.
Washington Square HOA Inc.
Washington Towne Homes Assn.
Washingtonian Center Assn.Inc. (The)
Washingtonian Towns HOA Inc.
Washingtonian Village
Washingtonian Woods HOA Inc.
Waterford Place HOA Inc.
Waters Landing Association Inc.
Watkins Meadow HOA Inc.
Watkins Mill HOA Inc.
Watkins Overlook ?
Wearing Station HOA ?
Wedgewood Court (1) Townhouse HOA #1
Wedgewood Court(2)TH HOA Assn. No 2 Inc.
Wesmond Townhouse Association Inc.
West Bethesda Park HOA Inc.
West Fairland Park Estates HOA Inc.
West Riding Citizens Association
Westchester Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Westfarm HOA Inc.
Westlake Park Recreational Council Inc.
Westleigh Citizens Association
Westleigh Homeowners Association Inc.
Westleigh Towns HOA Inc.
Westwind HOAInc.
Westwood Court Townhouses Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Wetherstone HOA Inc.
Wexford HOA Inc.
Whetstone Homes Corporation
Williamsburg Assn.Inc.
Williamsburg Square Community Council Corp.
Williamsburg Square Townhouse
Willow Ridge Homeowners Association Inc.
Willow Ridge Homes Corporation
Willow Run HOA
Willows of Potomac Community Assn. (The)
Windridge Development
Windsor Square Association
Winsor View Estates
Wonder View HOA
Woodfield Estates HOAInc.
Woodhollow Homeowners Association
Woodlake HOAInc.
Woodlake Homeowners Association
Woodland Hills Home Owners Assn. Inc.
Woodlawn Heights Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Woodlawn Homeowners Association Inc.
Woodley Garden East1West HOA
Woodley Gardens HOA
Woodmont Overlook Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
Woodrock Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Woodside Homeowners Association
Woodside Mews HOA Inc.
Woodside Park Community Assoc.Inc.
Woodside Park HOA Inc.
Woodside Station HOA Inc.
Woodside Towne Community Association
Woodside Way Community AssociationInc.
Wyndcrest HOA Inc.
Wyndham Woods HOA



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"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote:

"Julia Green" wrote in message
...
I believe Vox had said that there were hundreds in one *neighborhood.
That's an exaggeration.

No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a
community.
I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that
county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very
close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in
my
county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not
evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about
200,000
communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County,
MD
would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared
with
the nation as a whole.

Interesting that your method of argument is to tell a lie, have the lie
corrected, then tell it again. I've noticed a lot of rightwingers do that
-- just keep repeating the same lie over & over & over no matter how often
it is corrected.


You make me laugh out loud. I guess I am saying the same thing about your
claim that HOAs exist for to enforce segregation. Despite the fact that I
provided both the federal and California state laws that specifically
prohibit HOAs from discriminating, you keep yammering on as if you know what
you are talking about, as if the more you claim they discriminate, the more
it will be true. I'm sure that Clearchannel has a talk show slot with your
name on it. Maybe you can team up with Dr. Laura.

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it was a metal fence and they dont consider a metal fence to be
decorative. Ingrid


Ok. I understand what you are saying. The interesting thing is that had
your mother lived in a typical HOA controlled development, she would have
needed approval for any fence. When she submitted her application for the
fence they would have denied the fence because it didn't meet the standards.
That would have saved her a lot of problems. I'm still not clear if you
think that all zoning regulations should be abolished?