In article ,
"Cereoid-UR12yo" wrote:

Just don't tell anyone I started this thread, Tomski.

Those who post here that otherwise have me kill-filed just might shit a gold
brick!!!!!

Sweet revenge has been mine all along!!!!!!!!!!!

It's been a GREAT thread, so thanks heaps! For it has revealed to me a lot
of the psychology & self-justifying postures taken by the sorts of people
who start wars with or play cop against their neighbors striving to impose
their own questionable aesthetic & dubious moral notions on others. If
they were trying to stop all-night rock bands blasting the neighborhood,
ten pet pigs in a stench-pen, an open sesspool kids could drown in,
shotgun target practice in the alley, or a deadly toxic drug factory, it'd
be perfectly sensible to Unite Against Crime. But it turns out to be about
houses painted the wrong color, horrible basketball hoops, baseless rumors
& vendettas aimed at individuals one is already fighting with, unmowed
lawn, trivial zoning violations, or a vehicle parked in nobody's way on
one's own land. And THIS results in years of Neigbhor Wars? Just amazing.
Reinforces so much I already suspected!

I remember a news report about a retired old geezer who had made about
forty wooden windmills & set them all around his house. They didn't make
any noise, they weren't unsightly, but in fact there were zoning
restrictions about how much stuff can have standing in their yards.
Neighbors successfully got the law behind them to make him get rid of his
retirement hobby! The day the windmills were to be carted away, the news
showed up for one last look at one of the most charmingly eccentric
gardens.

Then there was the news report about the family in Des Moines who had a
rabbit rescue project and kept about twenty rabbits well cared for in
"free range" conditions, clean, harmless, but only took ONE nosy-neighbor
complaint for the city of Des Moines to shut down the rescue because by
law you can only have a maximum of three pet rabbits. It hit the news
because once again it made good pictorial coverage, plus the judge who
gave the "date by which" the rabbits had to find new homes or be destroyed
-- the last day was Easter!

You just know the people who **** with other peoples' lives & properties
are by far the lesser human beings, but feel so self-righteous having some
zoning law on their side -- dumbass regulations put into effect by a few
community peckerwoods of appalling control-freak character, enforced by
little tin stormtroopers unleashed by anonymous complainants who'll
eventually get their own pathetic lives bitten short by their own sorry
rules (cuz you just KNOW they're going to come to a point in their own
lives when their only friends are twenty soar-encrusted cats).

-paghat the ratgirl

Tom Jaszewski wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:36:02 GMT, wrote:

Got it?
YUP
garden police gone wild? is the newest round of crap for those bored
with the cat thread, or the chemical fertilizer foray.


--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

You know Paghat, you make a lotta sence!

Charlie.

"paghat" wrote in message
news
It's been a GREAT thread, so thanks heaps! For it has revealed to me a lot
of the psychology & self-justifying postures taken by the sorts of people
who start wars with or play cop against their neighbors striving to impose
their own questionable aesthetic & dubious moral notions on others. If
they were trying to stop all-night rock bands blasting the neighborhood,
ten pet pigs in a stench-pen, an open sesspool kids could drown in,
shotgun target practice in the alley, or a deadly toxic drug factory, it'd
be perfectly sensible to Unite Against Crime. But it turns out to be about
houses painted the wrong color, horrible basketball hoops, baseless rumors
& vendettas aimed at individuals one is already fighting with, unmowed
lawn, trivial zoning violations, or a vehicle parked in nobody's way on
one's own land. And THIS results in years of Neigbhor Wars? Just amazing.
Reinforces so much I already suspected!

On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:13:05 -0500, "Jason Quick"
wrote:

}
}"Jim Carter" wrote
}
} "This was their finest hour."
}
} Winston Churchill
} House of Commons, June18th 1940
}
}Yes. Churchill was a giant.
}
}Funny thing is, the man spent two long years cajoling Franklin Roosevelt
}about getting involved in the war. Care to speculate on why?
}
}Jason
}
Everyone already knew that Hitler had some serious weapons.

On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:04:25 -0500, Mark Anderson wrote:

}In article says...
} World War II was 1939 - 1945. The United States entered the war late in 1941
} after Pearl Harbor was attacked. The Battle of Britain had already been fought
} and won, by Britain, by the summer of 1941. Hitler had already turned the bulk
} of his troops and equipment toward Russia, where he suffered such severe losses
} of both men and materials that he might as well have surrendered at that time
} (as an aside, this is the same mistake that Napolean made and the same
} consequences). The outcome of World War II was already established when the US
} entered it; although, US entry greatly expedited the end of the war.
}
}Read the recent Pulitzer Prize winning book by Rick Atkinson, "An Army at
}Dawn," the first of a three book trilogy. The other two haven't been
}written yet. The book is about the Africa campaign, the first
}involvement of the US in WWII in that hemisphere. According to those
}accounts, Britain had zero chance of invading Africa by herself let alone
}continental Europe. Even the US with Britain learned a lot and lost a
}lot of men through their adventures and mis-adventures in Africa. I'm
}only halfway through the book but it's very enlightening.
}
[snip]

Britain was already bombing the German homeland in 1943. Your author is
also overlooking some serious possibilities. For instance...

The world's foremost scientists, including Albert Einstein, were the ones
who convinced Roosevelt to develop the atom bomb in the belief that Germany
was working on it. If the US had not entered the war these scientists might
have approached and convinced Britain to do so. Maybe.

My point is that there is no way of knowing how things would have proceeded
if the Japanese had not brought America into the war -- either
technologically or strategically. Remember, Britain invented RADAR and was
using a SONAR like system. They had the technological expertise to
construct an atom bomb if they had the will to do so.

Britain's allies were also going full speed ahead. By the end of the war
Canada had the world's third largest navy and fourth largest air force, for
example, and they were a country of a mere 15 million people at that time.
I have not checked what Australia and Brazil were up to.

"Charlie" wrote in message
...

"animaux" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:49:09 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:
Deed restrictions say NO HOOPS at all. Several people have hoops. This
neighbor is the only one who hangs game from it.

So in fact, you should be going after all the people with (Basketball?)
hoops. Not just him. You take away the basketball hoop and he'll just
put
a big hook up there to hang the game on.

Why on earth aren't you allowed hoops? Do your kids around there just
have
no fun?

You aren't allowed to have permanently mounted hoops in my development. You
can have a portable hoop. You just have to put it away when you are
finished with it. A few years ago they relaxed the rules to allow them to
be out 24/7 between Memorial Day and Thanksgiving. Most people don't play
BB outside in the winter here in Ohio. I don't think it is unreasonable to
ask people to put their toys away when they are finished with them. The
reason for the rule is two part. First of all, you aren't allowed to attach
anything to your home. That includes satellite dishes, window air
conditioners, free-standing flag poles, and so on. The second reason is
that our homes are so close together that people playing basketball in their
driveways are only a few feet from the next home. One trade-off for buying
an affordable home on a small lot is that you have to be more careful about
disturbing your neighbor. The people with portable hoops end up taking them
to the street and that causes its own problems. A near by development with
larger homes on larger lots and side-entry garages does allow permanent
hoops. It makes sense in that situation because people aren't bouncing a
ball two feet from your bedroom window and trampling all over your yard.

One thing that the critics of HOAs fail to mention is that the association
maintains common areas and recreational facilities for the use of the
members. While people would like to paint these communities as a bunch of
people who relentlessly dog each other over seemingly minor issues, I don't
find that to be true. We have an untouched woodland with a creek that
surrounds the community. There are walking paths, tennis courts, pool,
and small clubhouse. I know all my neighbors and since we all have houses
with porches that are close to the street it is very common to have people
stop and chat. We generally have dinner on our porch in the summer and
fall, seldom using our deck. We have block parties and there is an Easter
parade and Halloween get together for the kids. We also hold an annual yard
sale and there is a contest for holiday displays. The neighborhood is quite
diverse. There are professionals and trades people. There are sales people,
teacher, and law enforcement officers. We have religious fundamentalists
and gays. The neighborhood is more ethnically divers than the surrounding
community. There are young people with kids and retired seniors.

No situation is perfect. Yes, you do give up some control over the
appearance and use of your property. We have to stick to an approved color
scheme. That isn't a big deal because the homes have brick and siding
exteriors. The only place you have to paint is the trim. I have to keep my
painting beds two feet from the property line unless I get the written
consent of my neighbor to plant up to the line. Water features have to been
under 100 square feet. Play sets have to be well maintained (no rust). You
can't have a shed but you can have a gazebo or playhouse. I can't keep my
garbage cans in the front of the house except for on trash day. The
township prohibits the parking of commercial vehicles in a residential zone
and the association enforces the ordinance. We can't have privacy fences
but you can plant a living screen without permission. You can't burn in the
development but the township also prohibits burning, so that point is moot.
You can't operate a "noxious" business or rent out rooms for less than 30
days. The township also prohibits short term rentals and the operation of a
business in residential zones so that is also moot. We can't keep
livestock and you can't operate a kennel (more than 4 dogs or cats). Fences
have to be approved, but the township also requires a permit and has rules.

So there you have it. If you want to buy a decent house on a small lot and
maintain it in the same colors and condition it was when you bought it then
you would probably like my neighborhood. You would have to put your toys
away, mow the lawn on a regular basis, put your trash cans out of sight, and
limit yourself to four dogs. You would also have to leave your commercial
vehicle at work or park it in the garage with your boat and camper. In
exchange for that you can enjoy the common area and recreational facilities.
The association is non-profit, so there are no taxes paid on the common
area. The association takes care of trash removal and makes sure that the
local service department takes care of the streets. We have more clout in
that area because the association speaks for 500 people instead of just one.
Our dues are about $35/month. That pays for the operation of the pool,
maintenance of the common area, utilities, insurance, management fees, and
trash removal. Houses usually sell in a few days so the scheme is appealing
to a reasonably large group of buyers. I understand that it would be too
restrictive for some people.

"Minteeleaf" wrote in message
I happen to live in a gorgeous neighborhood
of big brick mansions 15 minutes from the Pentagon with
huge trees & big lots. Very expensive real estate.
I heard the explosion at the Pentagon on 9/11 & the
house shook.
We do well at keeping our properties in good shape.
We have an HOA, it is very laid back & respects the homeowners.
It does not intrude unnecessarily.

I used to live in Montgomery Village, a planned community in Montgomery
County. Its covenants were pretty bad--had to get approval for almost
anything one wanted to change, no matter how minor or commonsensible. We
had the great misfortune to buy a house right across the court from a
notorious NAN (Neighborhood Association Nazi). He and his wife actually had
fun skulking around the neighborhood, looking for covenant violations.
Pretty sick stuff g. I couldn't wait to buy our next house and move outta
there. So I looked for something with lots of land and privacy, and, best
of all, NO covenants. And these are half-million dollar houses zoned for
1-8 acres. It's sooo nice not to have to deal with all that sh!t.

A few years ago (and I may have posted it to this group), my new
neighbor decided he "knew" where the boundary line was and it was on my
driveway by a considerable distance. After many sleepless nights and
almost ending up in court, they got a survey done to discover that, wow,
*we* owned more of the strip between the properties than we thought.

So he put up a 6' fence (tallest fence you can do without a permit) on
the property line (and some a little over sigh) so he didn't have to
look at my bushes which I had cared for long before he moved in.

Took about 3 months for the bushes to grow above the fence. They are now
carefully trimmed at 2-3" above 6. Revenge can be sweet.




Diane

In article ,
animaux wrote:

Which is what I did in the back. I have a length of common fence with the
igit
and I attached concrete reinforcement grid and have a nice Schizophragma
hydrangoides (sp?) and some ivy treebine, and Virginia creeper. In a year or
so, I won't be able to see a thing.

On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:13:35 GMT, wrote:

And why not. If there isnt a law against fences the person doesnt want to
see it can
just build a fence so they dont have to look at it. Ingrid

"Vox Humana" wrote:
Why draw the line at tractor trailers? If a person makes his/her living
driving a big rig, does that make them a second class citizen in your town
as compared to the Maytag repair man? After all, if you pay the mortgage
payments and the taxes shouldn't you be entitled to park what ever you want
in the driveway? I believe that is your position.




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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:44:17 -0700, (paghat) wrote:

}Actually, a pretty good argument could be made that without the Patten in
}Africa & without the US's hard-won liberation especially of France,
}Germany might still have taken Europe down, & most certainly England
}couldn't've stopped them. But I'm not up to that particular argument just
}now, as I have trouble drumming up much jingoism even where it might
}belong.
}
}-paghat the ratgirl

Britain had already stopped Germany in the Battle of Britain and Russia had
already stopped Germany cold (that's a pun). England began daily (weather
permitting) bombing of Germany in 1943 and Russia had opened up the Eastern
front. Germany borders on the Atlantic with a major port at Hamburg (second
largest city in Germany), which England devastated in one night's bombing.
Hitler was so preoccupied with the eastern front that he issued mis-informed
orders to Rommel that caused Rommel to lose his armour and any chance he had
to conduct an attack against Montgomery's eighth army. I bring this up only
to show how concerned Hitler was in 1942 with the eastern front.

What do you think would happen to the German forces in Africa when Germany
fell? What would the Germans in France have done when Germany fell?

Europe would be a very different place today without American involvement,
no argument. I would very much like to see your pretty good argument for
Germany taking down Europe if the United States were not involved.

The jingoism started with "the country that saved your up-tight asses in two
world wars." Are you going to finish it with--"& most certainly England
couldn't've stopped them?"

Why are Americans not talking about lend/lease? That prevented the fall of
England as much as Patton did.

"Julia Green" wrote in message
...

"Minteeleaf" wrote in message
I happen to live in a gorgeous neighborhood
of big brick mansions 15 minutes from the Pentagon with
huge trees & big lots. Very expensive real estate.
I heard the explosion at the Pentagon on 9/11 & the
house shook.
We do well at keeping our properties in good shape.
We have an HOA, it is very laid back & respects the homeowners.
It does not intrude unnecessarily.

I used to live in Montgomery Village, a planned community in Montgomery
County. Its covenants were pretty bad--had to get approval for almost
anything one wanted to change, no matter how minor or commonsensible. We
had the great misfortune to buy a house right across the court from a
notorious NAN (Neighborhood Association Nazi). He and his wife actually
had
fun skulking around the neighborhood, looking for covenant violations.
Pretty sick stuff g. I couldn't wait to buy our next house and move
outta
there. So I looked for something with lots of land and privacy, and, best
of all, NO covenants. And these are half-million dollar houses zoned for
1-8 acres. It's sooo nice not to have to deal with all that sh!t.

If you honor your word there should be no shit to deal with. No violations,
nothing to report, no action to be taken, no shit.

On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:11:05 -0700, (paghat) wrote:

In article , "Charlie"
wrote:

So in fact, you should be going after all the people with (Basketball?)
hoops. Not just him. You take away the basketball hoop and he'll just put
a big hook up there to hang the game on.

Why on earth aren't you allowed hoops? Do your kids around there just have
no fun?

Charlie.

'Tis one of the wackiest things I ever heard even for crazy neighborhood
police: dislike hunters on principle & consider them automatic evil shits
then wonder why they're rude back at you for your obnoxious irrationality,
cite a basketball hoop as further proof of worthless cretinism, then as an
afterthought admit you're spreading rumors he's a child molester because
his daughter had heard of sex, & make anonymous phone calls to the police
while at it. It definitely sounds like a "bad neighbor" problem, only the
chap who likes hunting doesn't sound like the bad guy! If the guy finds
his way to UseNet he'll have right here in this thread all the amazing
confessions he requires for a sure-thing civil suit that will result in
his OWNING his bad neighbor's house!

I don't particularly like, never watch, don't know the rules of, wouldn't
play basketball. But I can imagine why a white-ruled neighborhood might
ban something innocuous if it makes kids happy, especially black kids. I
cannot otherwise fathom getting uptight & malicious about a neighbor's
dastardly crime of having a basketball hoop! The absurdity of the
displeasure, & the lengths of the vendetta, happily reinforces my own
sentiment that people who think they're the ones qualified to police their
neighborhood are nine times out of ten nuttier than a pitbull on a peanut
farm.

-paghat the ratgirl

As always you curb in with some of the sickest shit known to humanity.

In article , Diane
wrote:

A few years ago (and I may have posted it to this group), my new
neighbor decided he "knew" where the boundary line was and it was on my
driveway by a considerable distance. After many sleepless nights and
almost ending up in court, they got a survey done to discover that, wow,
*we* owned more of the strip between the properties than we thought.

So he put up a 6' fence (tallest fence you can do without a permit) on
the property line (and some a little over sigh) so he didn't have to
look at my bushes which I had cared for long before he moved in.

Took about 3 months for the bushes to grow above the fence. They are now
carefully trimmed at 2-3" above 6. Revenge can be sweet.



That worked out well, but it kind of bothers me that some neighbors regard
fences as unfriendly. I would kind of like to have the front gardens
enclosed as are the back gardens, but I'm on such good terms with my
neighbors, on two occasions people have indicated they expect I'll be
taking down the little picket fence eventually since we have no dog to
keep in. Very few people have fences at all in this neighborhood, & not a
one has a tall fence in the front. But then no one else has quite such
lush gardens either.

I saw a beautifully designed fence that was over six feet tall but had
huge round porthole windows to look in & out of. If I ever do put up an
enclosing fence I'll probably rig up something like that so no one
imagines I'm trying to shut them out. I just like the comfiness of
enclosed gardens. Yet so often one hears the "explanation" for a large
fence was a nasty neighbor on one side or the other of that fence.

A rustic unpainted wooden fence is such a nice thing to plant against &
have vines on. Going into one's garden through a gated arbor is just so
fun.

But alternatively i HAVE thought of taking down the picket fence, as it
would then be easier to weed from that side, plus I could have a row of
short perennials along what is now a picket fence line.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
If you honor your word there should be no shit to deal with. No
violations,
nothing to report, no action to be taken, no shit.

My point was that there are some people who really get off on this HOA
stuff--natural anal-retentive control freaks, I guess. We didn't have any
problems.

In article , "Julia Green"
wrote:

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
If you honor your word there should be no shit to deal with. No
violations,
nothing to report, no action to be taken, no shit.

My point was that there are some people who really get off on this HOA
stuff--natural anal-retentive control freaks, I guess.

Thing is, there's ALWAYS something to report, if you have some "I'm the
cops" style loony neighbor with a bug up their butt looking hard enough.

There is no one on earth who never breaks a law or a zoning code or
ordinance or regulation. In most places it is illegal to spit on a
sidewalk. So if you barf up a mouthful of bile, by the law you must either
swallow it, or catch it in hour hands & stuff it back in your mouth, &
hold it in your mouth for the hour it takes you to get back home & spit in
the sink. If you actually cough that bile out of your mouth you're up for
a $500 fine & a month in jail. It's rarely ever enforced, but the laws are
there, waiting for someone to hate your guts & use it against you. Your
car parked 13 inches instead of 12 inches from a curb? It can be legally
towed, but only when your neighbor, that self-appointed copper who bares
some irrational grudge over something no one sane could even guess what
is, & who went out with a tape measure to find out it was thirteen inches,
calls to have you towed.

In many areas of Seattle all the benches were removed because teenagers or
homeless people sat on them. Then the city counsel passed an ordinance
making it illegal to sit on sidewalk or ground. Because it's only enforced
selectively against teenagers & bums, most people are glad both of the
appalling ordinance & of the selective (hence unconstitutional)
prosecution of those ordinances. By the letter of the law, someone having
an asthma attack, finding no benches left in sight, if they sit down on
the sidewalk in order not to die, they can be arrested. Probably won't be
-- unless they're badly dressed or a teenager -- but the possibility is
there. The laws are arranged so that we are each one of us randomly
vulnerable. And police abuse these laws all the time in order to pretend
they beat you unconscious for some reason other than you were black.
Neighborhood pretend-cops work on a lower but equally malicious level,
looking for regulations about gardens & parking & whatever to use against
the people they already hate.

In my neighborhood the streets are all posted for two hour parking, no
exceptions, no way for the locals to get a permit to park longer. The
signs are to keep nearby shipworkers from parking up here instead of in
their own pay parking lots, & the violations are never enforced unless
someone calls to have somebody towed or ticketed, so the locals are happy
of the law, it's not used against us. But if we started fighting with each
other, we COULD have sundry of our neighbors' cars towed from time to time
for parking in front of their own houses all day. Ordinances & regulations
are often badly written to apply in weird ways, so when enforcers find
themselves facing nervous breakdowns, they can misuse actual laws that
were intended for unrelated purposes, like keeping shipworkers from
parking here. This has never happened in my neighborhood yet, but I once
lived in a place where there was one crazy S.O.B. who kept reporting cars
all the time for parking in front of their own homes for more than two
days in a row. It was his hobby to get his neighbors' cars towed or
ticketed. The law was on his side, though the law had not originally been
intended to force people to park on alternative days on other peoples'
streets. His motivation was purely racist. He remembered when there were
no blacks & asians in that neighborhood, & he came to resent his property
being surrounded by them.

So when Vox thinks everyone should just live according to every
life-controlling ordinance passed by some loon, or badly written by
retarded politicians so it can be maliciouisly enforced by the
neighborhood loon, I do hope she does always swallow her own bile, because
that's what she's demanding others do under threat of prosecution. For it
remains that the majority of ordinances are just that stupid, churlish,
irrational, or vulgar. And there they are, those regulations, waiting for
the stupid churlish people to use against their betters.

Call the cops or fire department or whoever enforces the zoning codes &
street ordinances over failing to swallow your own bile, parking your
truck in front of your own garage, using leaves as mulch when some
ordinance clearly states leaves MUST be swept up & discarded, or getting a
"warning" or a fine for letting some grass or ivy creep out two inches
onto a sidewalk -- ordinances are apt exist banning all such behavior, &
not one person among us is not a criminal on this level if obedience to
such minute details & a million absurdly nitpicky laws MUST be adhered to
in order to not be copped by some maliciously power-hungry crazy-ass loon.


Another strange thing about my town, most of the larger homes have little
houses out back, relics of World War II when thousands of extra
shipbuilders came for the duration of the war. These remain as "mother in
law" mini-houses. None were built legally; none have ever been
grandfathered as legal in retrospect. Everyone knows ever garage cum
apartment & mini-house in the city is by the letter of the law completely
illegal. But it is a TRADITION going back to WWII to overlook these
illegal apartments & cabins. Mere tradition. At any moment someone in the
government COULD insist upon a major demolition project to tear them all
down as building code violations of seriously enormous proportions. I know
of one case of someone having to tear out an illegal apartment that had
existed since the 1940s -- because a disgruntled renter made the phone
calls to get a zoning law enforced that even the town authorities by
tradition would never on their own enforce.

There are just too many laws. The vast majority of these laws are
nonsensical, or selectively enforced, or not enforced at all, or enforced
at the wrong times for the wrong reasons, & overlooked by everyone
universally in the meantime.

At every minute of every day there is that possibility of some crazy-ass
power-mad worthless piece of shit proving themselves empowered to make
YOUR life miserable FORCING you to swallow your own bile, drumming up
everything they can against you, assisted by some dumbass town ordinance
or Racist Housing Association bylaw. Someone in this thread said "31
families can't be wrong." That was EXACTLY the thinking of the HUNDREDS of
families that harrassed an elderly Asian woman for ten years because their
Housing Association wanted whites only -- HUNDREDS of racists, THOUSAND
can't be wrong. And whether they hate your guts because you're a hunter &
they're not, or because you're black or asian or jewish or queer, it's all
the same thing -- & every bloody time they'll say it's because you didn't
park your car right, not because they're crazyass.

So yes, the people who police their neighbors over trivialities are
themselves invariably bugnuts. When you cave into their way of thinking,
you can police them just as nastily, & get THEIR car towed, and have THEM
visited by the fire department for having leaves in their garden, & force
THEM to swallow their own bile -- & so the escalations begin.

So why not just skip the escalating levels & go straight to the point of
the game. Just SHOOT the *******s & get it over with.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

paghat wrote:
In article
In my neighborhood the streets are all posted for two hour parking, no
exceptions, no way for the locals to get a permit to park longer. The
signs are to keep nearby shipworkers from parking up here instead of
in their own pay parking lots, & the violations are never enforced
unless someone calls to have somebody towed or ticketed, so the
locals are happy of the law, it's not used against us. But if we
started fighting with each other, we COULD have sundry of our
neighbors' cars towed from time to time for parking in front of their
own houses all day.

In some Seattle neighborhoods there is restricted parking but residents can
get a sticker to put in their car window that allows unlimited parking. You
can even get a visitor sticker if you do not own a car and use it for
friends/relatives who are visiting.

--
Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
.. .
You would have to put your toys
away, mow the lawn on a regular basis, put your trash cans out of sight,
and
limit yourself to four dogs.

What happens if your dog has ten puppies? Would they could round and
slaughter them all?

Charlie.