On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A.
Lewis) wrote:

On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds
of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the
artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and
you got just over two days of food before you start starving.

Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? A thanksgiving dinner is
2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I
would hate to have you as a dependent.

By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know
there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I
DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency.

Dan

(Edgar S.) wrote in message . com...snipped

Even just a dozen tire stacks with home raised potatoes would be nice
to have and takes little effort.
snipped again

Tire stacks....what are these, adn how does one work with them?

Having MULTIPLE dumped tires in my creekbed, I would love to find a
use for them, once I pull them up the ravine!

And a refrigerator....any suggestions, other than an aquarium?
Planter? Other?

Linda H.

"dstvns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A.
Lewis) wrote:

On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds
of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the
artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and
you got just over two days of food before you start starving.

Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day?
=======================
Obviously not the lard butt that sits on the computer all day. There are,
however, many occupations/activities that will burn off far more than 2000
calories in a days work or a few hours a day workouts.
That you are too lazy to actually work/exercise doesn't mean that others
are.


A thanksgiving dinner is
2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I
would hate to have you as a dependent.

By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know
there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I
DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency.

Dan

Edgar S. wrote:

(bob peterson) wrote in message . com...


If you translate this to a real life situation where you have 10 hours
a day worth of other work to do just to survive, its clear that this
type of arrangement is only for desperation mode,


Nope... Not really. Growing your own food makes more or less sense,
depending on the economy. Our dollar is getting weaker. We are having
both inflation and deflation at the same time. Money is harder to get
(deflation) but worth less and less over time (inflation).

No. You prove your abject economic ignorance.


Inflation and deflation are opposites. Inflation is a
rising price level; deflation is a falling price level.


If one can meet most of their needs without using dollars, they're
better off. Of course, this presupposes they can raise the food
efficiently.

Even just a dozen tire stacks with home raised potatoes would be nice
to have and takes little effort.


and even then you
probably cannot do it alone.


That's the catch: raise something that is useful to anyone. Eggs,
butter, meat. Supplement it with garden produce.

Then trade for things other raise or make.

Fran-

Thanks for your clear and practical comments. Of course, the tires are
just building materials.

Most building materials look bad or unfinished left sitting out in the
open. Cinder block, rebar, or two by fours left in plain sight, or
where someone can trip over them are Not attractive.

Tires are a useful building material. The earthship type houses
sometimes use tires as a core, covered with adobe like materials.
These structures are often very beautiful and the tires are not
showing.

The other thing is, in a garden space, a variety of plants can be
grown in front of the tires.
They can also be lined up in an organized manner in a section of a
garden, storage area or other work area where their appearance would
not be unpleasant.

It's up to the person to make their living space attractive, or at
least what they wish it to be.
SOME people are ok with rough-hewn settings. It's not my place to tell
others how to live tastefully.




"Fran" wrote in message . au...
"paghat" wrote in message
(Edgar S.) wrote:

(snip) Growing your own food makes more or less sense,
depending on the economy. (snip)
If one can meet most of their needs without using dollars, they're
better off. Of course, this presupposes they can raise the food
efficiently.

Even just a dozen tire stacks with home raised potatoes would be nice
to have and takes little effort.

You almost convinced me but then you created this image of the sort of
trashoids who have worn out tires stacked up in their yards as planters --
no doubt lined up in front of the rusting vehicles up on blocks with those
very tires removed, in front of a doublewide that's settling at an odd
angle with a roof that goes BANG! on hot days.

Boy, I don't think I've ever seen anyone drop so quickly into stereotyping
about such a simple thing.

I've grown spuds in tyres and I live in a house that friends who live in the
city think is quite posh. (Possibly the sauna impresses them but the only
thing I find it useful for is to house the mushroom growing kit).

Spuds don't care where they grow and if you have a problem with a few car
tyres then what about an upturned plastic garbage bin with the bottom cut
out of it? Same principle but does that offend you so much? Recycling can
be done with both taste and effectiveness. You of all people should know
that given your own site (which, BTW, is quite impressive [especially the
crataegus which I love]: but where are the veggies????).

Putting a stack of car tyres behind a big healthy rhubarb plant isn't going
to cause any real offence and if the plants are growing vigorously then most
people will see the lushness and productiveness and not have your "eyesore"
reaction.

On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:54 -0800,
(Tallgrass) wrote:

And a refrigerator....any suggestions, other than an aquarium?
Planter? Other?

Smoker. Read up on smoking meats. Do not keep and use the
refrigerator grills for direct contact with the meats.
--
rbc: vixen Fairly harmless

Hit reply to email.
Though I'm very slow to respond.
http://www.visi.com/~cyli

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A.
Lewis) wrote:

On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds
of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the
artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and
you got just over two days of food before you start starving.

Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day?

I doubt if many people trying to live a self-sufficient lifestyle would.

A thanksgiving dinner is
2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I
would hate to have you as a dependent.

By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know
there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I
DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency.

The above posts are not necessarily indicative of the typical replies seen in
misc. survivalism.

It is easier to fight for our principles than to live up to them.-Alfred Adler

On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:54 -0800,
(Tallgrass) wrote:

And a refrigerator....any suggestions, other than an aquarium?
Planter? Other?

Smoker. Read up on smoking meats. Do not keep and use the
refrigerator grills for direct contact with the meats.
--
rbc: vixen Fairly harmless

Hit reply to email.
Though I'm very slow to respond.
http://www.visi.com/~cyli

(Tallgrass) wrote in message . com...
(Edgar S.) wrote in message . com...snipped

Even just a dozen tire stacks with home raised potatoes would be nice
to have and takes little effort.
snipped again

Tire stacks....what are these, adn how does one work with them?

stack them up, fill with compost. As I understand it, u harvest the
spuds by removing one tire at a time. The tire stack saves space and
conserves water. Water evaporates off the stacks more slowly than it
does off the ground.

While the tires indeed would be ugly to look at out in the open, it
would not be too difficult to plant something in front of them... or
put them behind some kind of facade.... maybe a rammed earth wall in
front with access to the tire stack from the rear.

Having MULTIPLE dumped tires in my creekbed, I would love to find a
use for them, once I pull them up the ravine!

And a refrigerator....any suggestions, other than an aquarium?
Planter? Other?

My father used his old 'fridge as a tool chest. It worked very well
and was handy. The shelves remained in place. The tool shop was very
neat.

(dstvns) wrote in message ...

Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? A thanksgiving dinner is
2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I
would hate to have you as a dependent.

By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know
there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I
DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency.

Dan

It's not that hard to burn that many calories when using hand tools,
bucking bales, turning soil by hand, and especially if cutting lumber.

Most people will not eat all of that in carbohydrates, tho, but make
up a fair amount of those calories in animal fat. Bacon, butter,
gravy, lard used in cooking.

One can find caloric requirements of particular job types. It is very
interesting to read.

Linda H., M.D.

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A.
Lewis) wrote:

On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds
of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the
artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and
you got just over two days of food before you start starving.

Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day?

I doubt if many people trying to live a self-sufficient lifestyle would.

A thanksgiving dinner is
2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I
would hate to have you as a dependent.

By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know
there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I
DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency.

The above posts are not necessarily indicative of the typical replies seen in
misc. survivalism.

It is easier to fight for our principles than to live up to them.-Alfred Adler

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A.
Lewis) wrote:

On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds
of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the
artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and
you got just over two days of food before you start starving.

Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day?

I doubt if many people trying to live a self-sufficient lifestyle would.

A thanksgiving dinner is
2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I
would hate to have you as a dependent.

By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know
there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I
DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency.

The above posts are not necessarily indicative of the typical replies seen in
misc. survivalism.

It is easier to fight for our principles than to live up to them.-Alfred Adler

(dstvns) wrote in message ...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:26:33 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:

You have looked at the calorie levels of that garlic and those
tomatoes, right? What you grew on 400 square feet will do nothing but
slow your starvation by a slight bit.

Oh I forgot...15 pounds of potatoes on an extra 30 square feet, plus
just as many Jerusalem artichokes in the same amount of space on the
other side of the yard. Hows 30 pounds of starch in an extra 60
square feet?

Dan

Build up, not out with tire stacks. Grow potatoes, jerusalem
artichokes, and other root veggies.

(Tallgrass) wrote in message . com...
(Edgar S.) wrote in message . com...snipped

Even just a dozen tire stacks with home raised potatoes would be nice
to have and takes little effort.
snipped again

Tire stacks....what are these, adn how does one work with them?

stack them up, fill with compost. As I understand it, u harvest the
spuds by removing one tire at a time. The tire stack saves space and
conserves water. Water evaporates off the stacks more slowly than it
does off the ground.

While the tires indeed would be ugly to look at out in the open, it
would not be too difficult to plant something in front of them... or
put them behind some kind of facade.... maybe a rammed earth wall in
front with access to the tire stack from the rear.

Having MULTIPLE dumped tires in my creekbed, I would love to find a
use for them, once I pull them up the ravine!

And a refrigerator....any suggestions, other than an aquarium?
Planter? Other?

My father used his old 'fridge as a tool chest. It worked very well
and was handy. The shelves remained in place. The tool shop was very
neat.

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A.
Lewis) wrote:

On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds
of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the
artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and
you got just over two days of food before you start starving.

Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day?

And of those that did, how many would try to get all of those calories
from a single food source like potatos? I just pray for their sake
that they don't try to raise a lone crop of Habanero peppers. I don't
know how many pounds of those you would have to choke down per day but
I think spontanious human combustion would be the result. :-)

A thanksgiving dinner is
2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I
would hate to have you as a dependent.

By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know
there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I
DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency.

Dan

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