if you put on a feather/down jacket, like chickens have, you could
also survive -5f.

I have a 2.5 kid and we take him for 40min-1 hr walks in -5f.

i

In article , wrote:
THEY ARE BIRDS FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!! where do you think the little chickadees,
cardinals, house sparrows, etc are finding heated trees????????? all they need is
seed and open water (which for wild birds is a limiting factor) AND protection from
predators and they are going to do fine in any kinda shed. Ingrid

"Fito" wrote:
What makes you think they are doing great? Try this experiment: Put on
layers of clothing to replicate what you think the chickens are protected
with. Go outside in sub-freezing weather. Sit in an unheated shed. Come back
in the Spring and tell us that you did great and I will believe that the
chickens are ok. Ok?


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In article , Fito wrote:

"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
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In article , Fito wrote:

"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...


I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F
weather, in an unheated shed.

What makes you think they are doing great? Try this experiment: Put on
layers of clothing to replicate what you think the chickens are
protected
with. Go outside in sub-freezing weather. Sit in an unheated shed. Come
back
in the Spring and tell us that you did great and I will believe that the
chickens are ok. Ok?

I am not a chicken...

What makes me think that they are doing great is the fact that they
look nice and make 2 eggs per day. They have non-frozen water at all
times because I bought a "heated pet bowl" at walmart fr them, and I
insert my waterer into the bowl. It was on sale for $5, I cannot
believe it.

They also have plenty of bedding, which is just leaves from my trees
that I collected in the fall. Non-frozen food, as well (not rock hard
frozen, I would say).

i

Before reading any other posts about how I may be wrong, please accept my
apologies for my sarcastic response. It just SEEMS too cold for them. I dont
have chickens so what do I know.

Fito



these kinds of chickens are very cold resistant. I could not believe
it myself at first. the important thing is not to have drafts.

i

In article , Bob G wrote:
That fellow's chickens, if he's provided them wind breaks, adequate
roof so that they can stay dry, acceptable bedding materials, and
decent food. Are just fine. Provided he assures they have or can get
liquid water. A wild bird has the option of searching for water. A
caged one does not.

I provide them plenty of food. When it's warm, it is my leftovers,
which I boil for them into a srt of a soup. When it's cold,m it is
dry chicken feed.

I also have a heated pet bowl where I insert the waterer.

They live in a wind protecting shed.

i

In fact his chickens probably are quite happy to feel relatively safe
from fox, coyote, wolf, bobcat, or cougar, etc.

I take that back, as they've almost certainly never been wild, they've
likely never had to learn to fear such wild and natural predators.

And as he provides them plentiful food, if he does, for a critter,
they're probably fat, happy, and sassy. Figuring they have a pretty
easy life. As compared to their cousins. Most of whom will die very
early in their lives, never seeing maturity at all.

You should think before posting material which might cause others to
wonder if yah know a damned thing about the animals you say you care
so much about.

Bob

In article , simy1 wrote:
"BrownThumb" wrote in message ...
"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed a
diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so much
time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming, and am
thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October, or some
such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I lived next door to rabbit-for-food owners for a coupla years. My
understanding from people who raise other livestock is that grass is
not varied enough for much of any animal, all by itself. I'd compost
the grass, use it to grow other things, feed the other things to the
rabbits. My neighbors fed the rabbits all of their edible vegetable kitchen
clippings.

My neighbor too, plus some hay, and the rabbits are fat and healthy.
They are a large family who eat their veggies, so they produce about a
gallon of scraps per day. Some of the stuff is obvious, like carrot
tops, but the rabbits eat bread and apple, potato and banana peels
too. They will happily eat discarded groceries, like half rotten
apples or past -its-prime lettuce. Anything except orange peels or
other weird stuff, like pineapple tops. They do love dandelions and
clover from the yard, but do not care much for clippings, though I
think they will eat them if they are the only green they get. If one
is to serve them scraps and pesticide-free, very fresh grass clippings
(cut grass goes bad in a day) perhaps a little high energy dry food
(like oats) will make their diet balanced. Rabbits really are the
cheapest meat to raise. Too bad the racoons like them as well.

thanks for the info.

i

C wrote in message ...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:14:10 +0000, Ignoramus3274 wrote:

I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a few
more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed a diet
that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so much time and
lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming, and am thinking about
having rabbits between months of May/October, or some such, and feed them
lawn trimmings. will it work?

Yes, certainly it will work. Raise a litter of large rabbits and raise
them on grass clippings. Slaughter most of them in fall for food.
Keep your core breeding animals to raise a couple more litters next
year.


I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F weather,
in an unheated shed.

when u live in the city, it's not necessary to grow rabbit food.
Dumpster dive behind markets, and u will have more food than u can
ever use



"BrownThumb" wrote in message ...
"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed a
diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so much
time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming, and am
thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October, or some
such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I lived next door to rabbit-for-food owners for a coupla years. My
understanding from people who raise other livestock is that grass is
not varied enough for much of any animal, all by itself. I'd compost
the grass, use it to grow other things, feed the other things to the
rabbits. My neighbors fed the rabbits all of their edible vegetable kitchen
clippings.

C wrote in message ...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:14:10 +0000, Ignoramus3274 wrote:

I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a few
more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed a diet
that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so much time and
lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming, and am thinking about
having rabbits between months of May/October, or some such, and feed them
lawn trimmings. will it work?

Yes, certainly it will work. Raise a litter of large rabbits and raise
them on grass clippings. Slaughter most of them in fall for food.
Keep your core breeding animals to raise a couple more litters next
year.


I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F weather,
in an unheated shed.

when u live in the city, it's not necessary to grow rabbit food.
Dumpster dive behind markets, and u will have more food than u can
ever use



"BrownThumb" wrote in message ...
"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed a
diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so much
time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming, and am
thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October, or some
such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I lived next door to rabbit-for-food owners for a coupla years. My
understanding from people who raise other livestock is that grass is
not varied enough for much of any animal, all by itself. I'd compost
the grass, use it to grow other things, feed the other things to the
rabbits. My neighbors fed the rabbits all of their edible vegetable kitchen
clippings.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:41:33 GMT, "Pam - gardengal"
wrote:


"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed a
diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so much
time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming, and am
thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October, or some
such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F
weather, in an unheated shed.

Rabbits can't live on grass clippings alone and should not be fed any that
have been chemically treated with pesticides or fertilizers. Get a mulching
lawn mower - you have to mow the lawn anyway and at least with a mulching
mower you are returnig the clippings back to the lawn where they act as a
natural fertilizer. Less waste, better for your lawn and no nutritionaly
deprived bunnies to worry about.

Or you could get a goat.

pam - gardengal


Or sheep, if he'd like a nicely even lawn.

Bob

Ignoramus18897 wrote in
:

In article NnPOb.100209$na.53251@attbi_s04, Pam - gardengal wrote:

"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed
a diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so
much time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming,
and am thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October,
or some such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F
weather, in an unheated shed.

Rabbits can't live on grass clippings alone and should not be fed any
that have been chemically treated with pesticides or fertilizers. Get
a mulching lawn mower - you have to mow the lawn anyway and at least
with a mulching mower you are returnig the clippings back to the lawn
where they act as a natural fertilizer. Less waste, better for your
lawn and no nutritionaly deprived bunnies to worry about.

Or you could get a goat.

pam - gardengal



Will a goat survive on lawn clippings?



I have it on the authority of several well known cartoon characters, that
goats can survive on tin-cans.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:41:33 GMT, "Pam - gardengal"
wrote:


"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed a
diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so much
time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming, and am
thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October, or some
such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F
weather, in an unheated shed.

Rabbits can't live on grass clippings alone and should not be fed any that
have been chemically treated with pesticides or fertilizers. Get a mulching
lawn mower - you have to mow the lawn anyway and at least with a mulching
mower you are returnig the clippings back to the lawn where they act as a
natural fertilizer. Less waste, better for your lawn and no nutritionaly
deprived bunnies to worry about.

Or you could get a goat.

pam - gardengal


Or sheep, if he'd like a nicely even lawn.

Bob

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus18897 wrote in
:

In article NnPOb.100209$na.53251@attbi_s04, Pam - gardengal wrote:

"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed
a diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so
much time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming,
and am thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October,
or some such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F
weather, in an unheated shed.

Rabbits can't live on grass clippings alone and should not be fed any
that have been chemically treated with pesticides or fertilizers. Get
a mulching lawn mower - you have to mow the lawn anyway and at least
with a mulching mower you are returnig the clippings back to the lawn
where they act as a natural fertilizer. Less waste, better for your
lawn and no nutritionaly deprived bunnies to worry about.

Or you could get a goat.

pam - gardengal



Will a goat survive on lawn clippings?



I have it on the authority of several well known cartoon characters, that
goats can survive on tin-cans.
You would be wrong. Goats need quality feed like a hand full of Goat Oats
daily in addition to the forage. They do eat everything, but that can kill
them. I had one eat a plastic bread sack that blew into our yard. She went
down and died of toxic shock the next day. (I did not see her eat it, but
in the autopsy we found it.)

Ignoramus18897 wrote in
:

In article NnPOb.100209$na.53251@attbi_s04, Pam - gardengal wrote:

"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed
a diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so
much time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming,
and am thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October,
or some such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F
weather, in an unheated shed.

Rabbits can't live on grass clippings alone and should not be fed any
that have been chemically treated with pesticides or fertilizers. Get
a mulching lawn mower - you have to mow the lawn anyway and at least
with a mulching mower you are returnig the clippings back to the lawn
where they act as a natural fertilizer. Less waste, better for your
lawn and no nutritionaly deprived bunnies to worry about.

Or you could get a goat.

pam - gardengal



Will a goat survive on lawn clippings?



I have it on the authority of several well known cartoon characters, that
goats can survive on tin-cans.

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus18897 wrote in
:

In article NnPOb.100209$na.53251@attbi_s04, Pam - gardengal wrote:

"Ignoramus3274" wrote in message
...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it by a
few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are being fed
a diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I waste so
much time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn trimming,
and am thinking about having rabbits between months of May/October,
or some such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it work?

I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F
weather, in an unheated shed.

Rabbits can't live on grass clippings alone and should not be fed any
that have been chemically treated with pesticides or fertilizers. Get
a mulching lawn mower - you have to mow the lawn anyway and at least
with a mulching mower you are returnig the clippings back to the lawn
where they act as a natural fertilizer. Less waste, better for your
lawn and no nutritionaly deprived bunnies to worry about.

Or you could get a goat.

pam - gardengal



Will a goat survive on lawn clippings?



I have it on the authority of several well known cartoon characters, that
goats can survive on tin-cans.
You would be wrong. Goats need quality feed like a hand full of Goat Oats
daily in addition to the forage. They do eat everything, but that can kill
them. I had one eat a plastic bread sack that blew into our yard. She went
down and died of toxic shock the next day. (I did not see her eat it, but
in the autopsy we found it.)

"Richard Johnson" wrote in
:


"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus18897 wrote in
:

In article NnPOb.100209$na.53251@attbi_s04, Pam - gardengal
wrote:

"Ignoramus3274" wrote in
message ...
I asked this question in misc.rural already, but want to run it
by a few more people. Can meat/fur rabbits survive if they are
being fed a diet that is mostly lawn clippings? I am upset that I
waste so much time and lawn grass due to all this mandatory lawn
trimming, and am thinking about having rabbits between months of
May/October, or some such, and feed them lawn trimmings. will it
work?

I already own two chickens and they are doing great, even in -5F
weather, in an unheated shed.

Rabbits can't live on grass clippings alone and should not be fed
any that have been chemically treated with pesticides or
fertilizers. Get a mulching lawn mower - you have to mow the lawn
anyway and at least with a mulching mower you are returnig the
clippings back to the lawn where they act as a natural fertilizer.
Less waste, better for your lawn and no nutritionaly deprived
bunnies to worry about.

Or you could get a goat.

pam - gardengal



Will a goat survive on lawn clippings?



I have it on the authority of several well known cartoon characters,
that goats can survive on tin-cans.
You would be wrong. Goats need quality feed like a hand full of Goat
Oats daily in addition to the forage. They do eat everything, but
that can kill them. I had one eat a plastic bread sack that blew into
our yard. She went down and died of toxic shock the next day. (I did
not see her eat it, but in the autopsy we found it.)



Are you sure it was toxic shock and not asphyxiation?

Anyway, cartoon characters (even famous ones) have been known to be wrong
before.