"madgardener" wrote in message
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so does Lowes..............g

You don't work for Lowes by an chance, do you? VBG

John

When a nursery worker or chemical industry flack says "horticultural
vermiculite is safe" this has to be weighed for what it is, something that
someone who profits off a lie seriously wants to believe is true, since if
they can convince themselves, maybe they can convince you. The science of
a thing is all too often the opposite of what a product label or a nursery
worker claims -- thus close investigation of INDEPENDENT science finds
that horticultural vermiculite DOES pose a risk of cancer; RoundUp DOES
destroy wetlands, wildlife, lingers a long time in the environment, & may
even cause Hodgson's lymphoma; aerated garden "tea" made at home with
gawdawful expensive equipment turns out (in controlled studies) to have
exactly the same "benefit" as watering with plain water; rubber-mulch
DOES kill perennials & does so rapidly; & the new-improved superabsorbant
polymers added to soils to increase water retention in actuality RETARDS
water absorption in plants, killing them.

Nurseries selling garden support products are frequently hellholes of
dangerous crap that will harm you & your garden; it's not like "Yesterday
sure we sold DDT, but now we'd NEVER do anything at all like that." They
do it every day, all the time. It's also true in petshops. For example,
it's been known for decades that cedar shavings & pine shavings cause
liver & lung disease & death of mammals, but do you find safe aspen
shavings sold as bedding in petshops instead? Very rarely. Bags & bags of
deadly toxic cedar, pine, & spruce are sold for pets, in happy-smily
packaging, from companies that presumedly love animals (or flowers) &
should have taken these dangerous products off the shelf the instant they
were known to kill pets (or plants, or people). When the facts are in &
not condusive to easy profits, love of money trumps verisimilitude & love
of flora or pets every time.

If a vendor finds it profitable to keep you in the dark, they will do so,
up to & including claims for products that do exactly the opposite of what
you spend your money hoping a product will do. Safe as directed means
dangers too numerous to elucidate; nontoxic means poisonous; biodegradable
means "breaks down & recombines into cancer-causing agents"; beneficial
means harmful; improved means worsened; useful means worthless. This
almost makes sense if it were only giant chemical companies run by
heartless moguls, but the damnable thing is that even independent
nurseries are rarely exempt from lying out of blind greed. Plus more &
more often, products either useless or harmful are being promoted as
"organic" so that even the wary can be fooled out of their wallets.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

You are one weird puppy. Thank God you can't breed.



"paghat" wrote in message
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When a nursery worker or chemical industry flack says "horticultural
vermiculite is safe" this has to be weighed for what it is, something that
someone who profits off a lie seriously wants to believe is true, since if
they can convince themselves, maybe they can convince you. The science of
a thing is all too often the opposite of what a product label or a nursery
worker claims -- thus close investigation of INDEPENDENT science finds
that horticultural vermiculite DOES pose a risk of cancer; RoundUp DOES
destroy wetlands, wildlife, lingers a long time in the environment, & may
even cause Hodgson's lymphoma; aerated garden "tea" made at home with
gawdawful expensive equipment turns out (in controlled studies) to have
exactly the same "benefit" as watering with plain water; rubber-mulch
DOES kill perennials & does so rapidly; & the new-improved superabsorbant
polymers added to soils to increase water retention in actuality RETARDS
water absorption in plants, killing them.

Nurseries selling garden support products are frequently hellholes of
dangerous crap that will harm you & your garden; it's not like "Yesterday
sure we sold DDT, but now we'd NEVER do anything at all like that." They
do it every day, all the time. It's also true in petshops. For example,
it's been known for decades that cedar shavings & pine shavings cause
liver & lung disease & death of mammals, but do you find safe aspen
shavings sold as bedding in petshops instead? Very rarely. Bags & bags of
deadly toxic cedar, pine, & spruce are sold for pets, in happy-smily
packaging, from companies that presumedly love animals (or flowers) &
should have taken these dangerous products off the shelf the instant they
were known to kill pets (or plants, or people). When the facts are in &
not condusive to easy profits, love of money trumps verisimilitude & love
of flora or pets every time.

If a vendor finds it profitable to keep you in the dark, they will do so,
up to & including claims for products that do exactly the opposite of what
you spend your money hoping a product will do. Safe as directed means
dangers too numerous to elucidate; nontoxic means poisonous; biodegradable
means "breaks down & recombines into cancer-causing agents"; beneficial
means harmful; improved means worsened; useful means worthless. This
almost makes sense if it were only giant chemical companies run by
heartless moguls, but the damnable thing is that even independent
nurseries are rarely exempt from lying out of blind greed. Plus more &
more often, products either useless or harmful are being promoted as
"organic" so that even the wary can be fooled out of their wallets.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

so might BBQing during the summer.

"Mrs. Fricker" wrote:

Jan Flora wrote:

My mom, a lifelong nurseryman, has COPD now. She's on oxygen 24/7,
since age 74. She's 78 now.
The MD's think it's because of lifelong exposure to vermiculite
in her greenhouses.
She never smoked and was never around smokers. She's an RN.

I'm a smoker.

Second hand smoke may have contributed also.



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