i have RATS! ugh!

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

so, with the wonders of the internet, I have found Shake-Away which is
a fox/coyote urine blend in crystal or powder form.
http://www.critter-repellent.com/rat...ource=GoogleAW
As predator urine, it supposedly keeps the rats away. Has anybody
tried this approach or this product & with what results? i'm at my
wits end!!

Judy with her dogs & her unwanted RATS! :

((.)) '))
((((((((
))(/)((

"Judy Cosler" wrote in message
...
i have RATS! ugh!

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

so, with the wonders of the internet, I have found Shake-Away which is
a fox/coyote urine blend in crystal or powder form.
http://www.critter-repellent.com/rat...ource=GoogleAW
As predator urine, it supposedly keeps the rats away. Has anybody
tried this approach or this product & with what results? i'm at my
wits end!!

Judy with her dogs & her unwanted RATS! :

((.)) '))
((((((((
))(/)((

It absolutely will NOT work. You need to check the source of their food.
Feeding pets outdoors is a primary one. Check to see if your garbage lid
fits tightly. Do you feed the birds? Birdseed can attract rats. Eliminate
their food source and you eliminate most of the problem. For what remains,
get another dog. A terrier. They were bred to kill rats and do a very good
job. Or a couple of inside outside cats, preferably female.

Just get a big old rat trap and bait with peanut butter. You may get a
squirrel but they are rats too. Spring may hurt a dog's paw but will not
kill him.
Frank

I know about their food source. it's not here. that's not the
answer. what makes you say the predator urine "absolutely will NOT
work?" have you tried it?

On Wed, 12 May 2004 17:44:28 GMT, "Sunflower"
wrote:


"Judy Cosler" wrote in message
.. .
i have RATS! ugh!

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

so, with the wonders of the internet, I have found Shake-Away which is
a fox/coyote urine blend in crystal or powder form.
http://www.critter-repellent.com/rat...ource=GoogleAW
As predator urine, it supposedly keeps the rats away. Has anybody
tried this approach or this product & with what results? i'm at my
wits end!!

Judy with her dogs & her unwanted RATS! :

((.)) '))
((((((((
))(/)((

It absolutely will NOT work. You need to check the source of their food.
Feeding pets outdoors is a primary one. Check to see if your garbage lid
fits tightly. Do you feed the birds? Birdseed can attract rats. Eliminate
their food source and you eliminate most of the problem. For what remains,
get another dog. A terrier. They were bred to kill rats and do a very good
job. Or a couple of inside outside cats, preferably female.



((.)) '))
((((((((
))(/)((

"Judy Cosler" wrote in message
...
I know about their food source. it's not here. that's not the
answer. what makes you say the predator urine "absolutely will NOT
work?" have you tried it?


It sounds like you want to try the predator urine. Therefore, why don't you
try it and get back to us. The worse that can happen is that you will spend
your money on a bottle of **** and you will still have rats.

"Judy Cosler" wrote in message
...
i have RATS! ugh!

Hi Judy, Did pest control tell you what type of rats you had? Their habits
are a bit different and it might help you to know that. Where do the rats
live? Where do they get their food? Where do they get their *water*? Rats
generally won't travel more than 150 feet from where they live to get food
and water. Empty the dogs' water bowls every evening and be extra careful
with food too. Is there any other water source available to them? Think
sump pumps, ponds, kiddie pools, etc...you may not be able to eliminate the
water source but if you identify it, you can trap on the path to it.

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

Your vet is correct. Chunks of poison bait can wind up on the floor around
the bait stations, or the dog could ingest a poisoned rat. Besides, when
the sick rat goes to hide in the ceiling or walls to die you will have
another nasty surprise. Maggots and then huge flies from the decaying body,
smells bad too. Pest control told us the bodies dry up and it wouldn't
happen, it was not so when we bought a house with a mouse problem a few
years ago and used the poison baits.

I would use traps. Use several along their path of travel. Look for
droppings, smudges at the baseboards. Rats are creatures of habit and tend
to travel the same path every day, but they are also *way* smarter than
mice. Once they find out what the traps do, they will steer clear. I would
consider putting the traps down unset and let them get used to them, they
will be cautious at first. Later, bait them with a barely visible smear of
peanut butter and set the springs.

so, with the wonders of the internet, I have found Shake-Away which is
a fox/coyote urine blend in crystal or powder form.
http://www.critter-repellent.com/rat...ource=GoogleAW
As predator urine, it supposedly keeps the rats away. Has anybody
tried this approach or this product & with what results? i'm at my
wits end!!

I doubt it will work. I once tried it to keep rabbits from munching on my
plants. Somehow they determined "that fox don't hunt" and kept on munching
away. I can just picture these catherized, muzzled foxes with urine
drainage bags strapped to their bellies....eewwww

Judy with her dogs & her unwanted RATS! :

Rat terrier? Rat snakes? Barn cat? Maybe you can borrow one of these from
someone?
Try posting at alt.consumers.pest-control. They've been helpful to me
several times. Lately I have flying squirrels, very cute, but I want them
outta my attic!

jo
Does anyone know why my Bressingham African Lily leaf ends turned white
overnight after planting?

On Wed, 12 May 2004 14:01:08 -0400, Judy Cosler
wrote:

I know about their food source. it's not here. that's not the
answer. what makes you say the predator urine "absolutely will NOT
work?" have you tried it?


I have kept either fox or coyote urine on my truck for over 10 years
for customers who may want to try an alternative approach to repel
various types of rodents...can't think of anyone ever saying they had
positive results.



Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!


It is said that the early bird gets the worm,
but it is the second mouse that gets the cheese.

"Judy Cosler" wrote in message
...
i have RATS! ugh!

Hi Judy, Did pest control tell you what type of rats you had? Their habits
are a bit different and it might help you to know that. Where do the rats
live? Where do they get their food? Where do they get their *water*? Rats
generally won't travel more than 150 feet from where they live to get food
and water. Empty the dogs' water bowls every evening and be extra careful
with food too. Is there any other water source available to them? Think
sump pumps, ponds, kiddie pools, etc...you may not be able to eliminate the
water source but if you identify it, you can trap on the path to it.

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

Your vet is correct. Chunks of poison bait can wind up on the floor around
the bait stations, or the dog could ingest a poisoned rat. Besides, when
the sick rat goes to hide in the ceiling or walls to die you will have
another nasty surprise. Maggots and then huge flies from the decaying body,
smells bad too. Pest control told us the bodies dry up and it wouldn't
happen, it was not so when we bought a house with a mouse problem a few
years ago and used the poison baits.

I would use traps. Use several along their path of travel. Look for
droppings, smudges at the baseboards. Rats are creatures of habit and tend
to travel the same path every day, but they are also *way* smarter than
mice. Once they find out what the traps do, they will steer clear. I would
consider putting the traps down unset and let them get used to them, they
will be cautious at first. Later, bait them with a barely visible smear of
peanut butter and set the springs.

so, with the wonders of the internet, I have found Shake-Away which is
a fox/coyote urine blend in crystal or powder form.
http://www.critter-repellent.com/rat...ource=GoogleAW
As predator urine, it supposedly keeps the rats away. Has anybody
tried this approach or this product & with what results? i'm at my
wits end!!

I doubt it will work. I once tried it to keep rabbits from munching on my
plants. Somehow they determined "that fox don't hunt" and kept on munching
away. I can just picture these catherized, muzzled foxes with urine
drainage bags strapped to their bellies....eewwww

Judy with her dogs & her unwanted RATS! :

Rat terrier? Rat snakes? Barn cat? Maybe you can borrow one of these from
someone?
Try posting at alt.consumers.pest-control. They've been helpful to me
several times. Lately I have flying squirrels, very cute, but I want them
outta my attic!

jo
Does anyone know why my Bressingham African Lily leaf ends turned white
overnight after planting?

On Wed, 12 May 2004 14:01:08 -0400, Judy Cosler
wrote:

I know about their food source. it's not here. that's not the
answer. what makes you say the predator urine "absolutely will NOT
work?" have you tried it?


I have kept either fox or coyote urine on my truck for over 10 years
for customers who may want to try an alternative approach to repel
various types of rodents...can't think of anyone ever saying they had
positive results.



Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!


It is said that the early bird gets the worm,
but it is the second mouse that gets the cheese.

"Sunflower" wrote in message
...

"Judy Cosler" wrote in message
...
i have RATS! ugh!

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

so, with the wonders of the internet, I have found Shake-Away which is
a fox/coyote urine blend in crystal or powder form.
http://www.critter-repellent.com/rat...ource=GoogleAW
As predator urine, it supposedly keeps the rats away. Has anybody
tried this approach or this product & with what results? i'm at my
wits end!!

Judy with her dogs & her unwanted RATS! :

((.)) '))
((((((((
))(/)((

It absolutely will NOT work. You need to check the source of their food.
Feeding pets outdoors is a primary one. Check to see if your garbage lid
fits tightly. Do you feed the birds? Birdseed can attract rats.
Eliminate
their food source and you eliminate most of the problem. For what
remains,
get another dog. A terrier. They were bred to kill rats and do a very
good
job.
A cairn terrier will show the rats no mercy.

In article ,
wrote:

i have RATS! ugh!

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

so, with the wonders of the internet, I have found Shake-Away which is
a fox/coyote urine blend in crystal or powder form.
http://www.critter-repellent.com/rat...ource=GoogleAW
As predator urine, it supposedly keeps the rats away. Has anybody
tried this approach or this product & with what results? i'm at my
wits end!!

Judy with her dogs & her unwanted RATS! :

((.)) '))
((((((((
))(/)((

This will help:


I Love Rats
Wo Yeah
Love 'em wearing hats
Wo Yeah
Love 'em in my trousers
Wo Yeah
Make me yell "Yowzehs!"
Wo Yeah

Gotta love rats
Wo Yeah
Hear their pitty-pats
Wo Yeah
On the dinner table
Wo Yeah
Wherever they're able
Wo Yeah

Ratty-rat rats
Wo Yeah
Peering through the slats
Wo Yeah
Nino, Nyx, & Nana
Wo Yeah
Begging a banana
Wo Yeah

Better than ants
Wo yeah
Squirmin' in my pants
Wo yeah
I even love their pee-oh
Wo yeah
And my rats love me-oh!

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:278119

Judy Cosler wrote in message . ..
i have RATS! ugh!

Rats will subsist quite well on dog wastes so the food source is there.
Learn to trap , traps existed long before poison baits.

On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:06:21 -0400, Judy Cosler
wrote:

CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.


Hunt down a tamper resistant bait station that is designed to also
house a snap trap...set the trap, close the container, check daily.



Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!


It is said that the early bird gets the worm,
but it is the second mouse that gets the cheese.

Subject: unwelcome: RATS!!!!
From: "jo"
Date: 5/12/2004 3:30 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


"Judy Cosler" wrote in message
.. .
i have RATS! ugh!

Hi Judy, Did pest control tell you what type of rats you had? Their habits
are a bit different and it might help you to know that. Where do the rats
live? Where do they get their food? Where do they get their *water*? Rats
generally won't travel more than 150 feet from where they live to get food
and water. Empty the dogs' water bowls every evening and be extra careful
with food too. Is there any other water source available to them? Think
sump pumps, ponds, kiddie pools, etc...you may not be able to eliminate the
water source but if you identify it, you can trap on the path to it.

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

Your vet is correct. Chunks of poison bait can wind up on the floor around
the bait stations, or the dog could ingest a poisoned rat. Besides, when
the sick rat goes to hide in the ceiling or walls to die you will have
another nasty surprise. Maggots and then huge flies from the decaying body,
smells bad too. Pest control told us the bodies dry up and it wouldn't
happen, it was not so when we bought a house with a mouse problem a few
years ago and used the poison baits.

I would use traps. Use several along their path of travel. Look for
droppings, smudges at the baseboards. Rats are creatures of habit and tend
to travel the same path every day, but they are also *way* smarter than
mice. Once they find out what the traps do, they will steer clear. I would
consider putting the traps down unset and let them get used to them, they
will be cautious at first. Later, bait them with a barely visible smear of
peanut butter and set the springs.

That's good advice. I'd set out about 10 traps, leave them UNSET, for a couple
weeks... bait them for a couple nights with a small amount of peanut butter, as
said. Then set and bait them all one night, while keeping the dog away.

Though not necessarily much smarter than mice, rats are extremely wary of new
things. The traps are unlikely to be approached the first couple weeks after
they are placed.

Good luck.

-

theoneflasehaddock

yes, dogs will eat poison baits, but unless your dogs are really small it is unlikely
to kill them. eating dead rats or mice is even less likely. but I had a box of bait
the mice pushed off the counter top and rather than take a chance I just got vitamin
K from my vet for everyone.
personally... I like take em alive traps and then drown them in ice cold water as I
think it is faster and less painful. INgrid

Judy Cosler wrote:

i have RATS! ugh!

i also have 2 dogs whom i would not endanger in any way!
my vet has told me that, despite what the pest control firms tell you,
the bait used to kill rats CAN be gotten by the dogs & that the rats
CAN be secondarily poisonous to the dogs. she said to put down NO
poison! she says she sees too many pets who have been poisoned in
thse ways. so, I will do exactly that -- put down NO poison.

so, with the wonders of the internet, I have found Shake-Away which is
a fox/coyote urine blend in crystal or powder form.
http://www.critter-repellent.com/rat...ource=GoogleAW
As predator urine, it supposedly keeps the rats away. Has anybody
tried this approach or this product & with what results? i'm at my
wits end!!

Judy with her dogs & her unwanted RATS! :

((.)) '))
((((((((
))(/)((



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