S. M. Henning wrote:

(Roy) wrote:



There is absolutely no
advantage a gear drive in a L & G tractor has over a hydro
drive.........hands down its the better , no, BEST way to go.....



In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
specifically says:

"Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
increase."


Wrong. My Murray hydrostatic drive will go into a braking mode when I
lift my foot off the pedal going downhill.

That means you have to keep your foot on the "forward pedal" like a
throttle when going down hills.

With a gear-shift transmission you go up and down hill without touching
any levers or pedals. Their speed doesn't increase going down hills.
They are much safer.

S. M. Henning wrote:

(Roy) wrote:



There is absolutely no
advantage a gear drive in a L & G tractor has over a hydro
drive.........hands down its the better , no, BEST way to go.....



In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
specifically says:

"Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
increase."


Then don't use cruise control when going down hills. I don't have cruise
control on my hydrostatic tractor and it actually brakes when going down
hill, as long as I take my foot off the pedal.

That means you have to keep your foot on the "forward pedal" like a
throttle when going down hills.


And that would be a means to brake the mower? What about the brake
pedal, or is that not mentioned? In a car, the brake pedal will
disengage the cruise control, does that not happen with a tractor.
I don't have cruise control, so you will have to enlighten me. I'll take
your expertise opinion on this.

With a gear-shift transmission you go up and down hill without touching
any levers or pedals. Their speed doesn't increase going down hills.
They are much safer.

Did you ever own a hydrostatic tractor, or are you just going by some
pre-conceived assumption?
After all, as you said, you have a lawn as flat as a billiard table,
never have to back up, and use only a single forward gear, so how would
you know about hills, braking, and backing up?

willshak wrote:

In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
specifically says:

"Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
increase."

Wrong. My Murray hydrostatic drive will go into a braking mode when I
lift my foot off the pedal going downhill.

Are you saying that John Deere manual does not describe operation of
Murray tractors? You are correct. But I doubt that John Deere is
wrong, they are talking about their own tractors.

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S. M. Henning wrote:

willshak wrote:



In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
specifically says:

"Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
increase."



Wrong. My Murray hydrostatic drive will go into a braking mode when I
lift my foot off the pedal going downhill.



Are you saying that John Deere manual does not describe operation of
Murray tractors? You are correct. But I doubt that John Deere is
wrong, they are talking about their own tractors.



I'm sorry. I was referring to hydrostatic operation while going
downhill. My comment was not about cruise control (which I do not have),
but about hydrostatic operation when going downhill. But you would know
much better about hydrostatic transmissions and cruise control since you
own neither. I deleted that message and composed another, if you would
care to comment on that one.

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:22:03 -0400, "S. M. Henning"
wrote:

(Roy) wrote:
===
=== There is absolutely no
=== advantage a gear drive in a L & G tractor has over a hydro
=== drive.........hands down its the better , no, BEST way to go.....
===
===In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
===LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
===specifically says:
===
==="Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
===increase."
===
===That means you have to keep your foot on the "forward pedal" like a
===throttle when going down hills.
===
===With a gear-shift transmission you go up and down hill without touching
===any levers or pedals. Their speed doesn't increase going down hills.
===They are much safer.


What the hell does cruise control have to do with a hydrostatic being
worse or better than a gear model......seems like your grabing staws
that are totally irrevelant to the original posts concerning the
hydrostatic drives............

And I suppose a manual shift tranny with cruise will not gain any
additional speed either.....duh!
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:49:42 -0400, willshak
wrote:

===S. M. Henning wrote:
===
(Roy) wrote:
===
===
===
===There is absolutely no
===advantage a gear drive in a L & G tractor has over a hydro
===drive.........hands down its the better , no, BEST way to go.....
===
===
===
===In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
===LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
===specifically says:
===
==="Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
===increase."
===
===
===Wrong. My Murray hydrostatic drive will go into a braking mode when I
===lift my foot off the pedal going downhill.
===
===That means you have to keep your foot on the "forward pedal" like a
===throttle when going down hills.
===
===With a gear-shift transmission you go up and down hill without touching
===any levers or pedals. Their speed doesn't increase going down hills.
===They are much safer.
===
===
===


As does my GX335 as soon as I let off the go pedal it slows and
stops...........but just think if you had a manual you cold keep on
coasting and save fuel!
I sure don;t know where S.M H, gets his info or how he cyphers out
what he reads but he needs to put a brighter light bulb in his reading
lamp.............and get up to date on hydrostatic drives and garden
tractors.

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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:54:09 -0400, willshak
wrote:

===S. M. Henning wrote:
===
(Roy) wrote:
===
===
===
===There is absolutely no
===advantage a gear drive in a L & G tractor has over a hydro
===drive.........hands down its the better , no, BEST way to go.....
===
===
===
===In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
===LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
===specifically says:
===
==="Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
===increase."
===
===
===Then don't use cruise control when going down hills. I don't have cruise
===control on my hydrostatic tractor and it actually brakes when going down
===hill, as long as I take my foot off the pedal.
===
===That means you have to keep your foot on the "forward pedal" like a
===throttle when going down hills.
===
===
===And that would be a means to brake the mower? What about the brake
===pedal, or is that not mentioned? In a car, the brake pedal will
===disengage the cruise control, does that not happen with a tractor.
===I don't have cruise control, so you will have to enlighten me. I'll take
===your expertise opinion on this.
===
===With a gear-shift transmission you go up and down hill without touching
===any levers or pedals. Their speed doesn't increase going down hills.
===They are much safer.
===

He is just grabbing at straws randomly, and the post is getting so far
off its original matter, mainly due to the fact of S.M.H's ignorance
in the operation of a hydrostatic, and his wealth of misinformation!
===Did you ever own a hydrostatic tractor, or are you just going by some
===pre-conceived assumption?
===After all, as you said, you have a lawn as flat as a billiard table,
===never have to back up, and use only a single forward gear, so how would
===you know about hills, braking, and backing up?

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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:57:25 -0400, "S. M. Henning"
wrote:

===willshak wrote:
===
=== In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
=== LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
=== specifically says:
===
=== "Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
=== increase."
===
=== Wrong. My Murray hydrostatic drive will go into a braking mode when I
=== lift my foot off the pedal going downhill.
===
===Are you saying that John Deere manual does not describe operation of
===Murray tractors? You are correct. But I doubt that John Deere is
===wrong, they are talking about their own tractors.
No different than you making a statement to the fact about what
little you know or can conceive regarding hydrostatic
drives.........Mr. One speed one gear manual clutch flat lander!
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Roy wrote:

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:22:03 -0400, "S. M. Henning"
wrote:



(Roy) wrote:
===
=== There is absolutely no
=== advantage a gear drive in a L & G tractor has over a hydro
=== drive.........hands down its the better , no, BEST way to go.....
===
===In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
===LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
===specifically says:
===
==="Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
===increase."
===
===That means you have to keep your foot on the "forward pedal" like a
===throttle when going down hills.
===
===With a gear-shift transmission you go up and down hill without touching
===any levers or pedals. Their speed doesn't increase going down hills.
===They are much safer.




What the hell does cruise control have to do with a hydrostatic being
worse or better than a gear model......seems like your grabing staws
that are totally irrevelant to the original posts concerning the
hydrostatic drives............



Methinks that Hemmings knowledge of lawn tractors is limited to those
which he owns, as well as as the lawns of which he is familiar with.
There can be no other variations.


And I suppose a manual shift tranny with cruise will not gain any
additional speed either.....duh!
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Roy wrote:

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:54:09 -0400, willshak
wrote:



===S. M. Henning wrote:
===
(Roy) wrote:
===
===
===
===There is absolutely no
===advantage a gear drive in a L & G tractor has over a hydro
===drive.........hands down its the better , no, BEST way to go.....
===
===
===
===In the manual for the John Deere OMM149664, Issue L3 Lawn Tractors
===LX280, LX280AWS, and LX289 PIN, automatic transmission tractors it
===specifically says:
===
==="Do not use cruise control when going down hills. Machine speed will
===increase."
===
===
===Then don't use cruise control when going down hills. I don't have cruise
===control on my hydrostatic tractor and it actually brakes when going down
===hill, as long as I take my foot off the pedal.
===
===That means you have to keep your foot on the "forward pedal" like a
===throttle when going down hills.
===
===
===And that would be a means to brake the mower? What about the brake
===pedal, or is that not mentioned? In a car, the brake pedal will
===disengage the cruise control, does that not happen with a tractor.
===I don't have cruise control, so you will have to enlighten me. I'll take
===your expertise opinion on this.
===
===With a gear-shift transmission you go up and down hill without touching
===any levers or pedals. Their speed doesn't increase going down hills.
===They are much safer.
===



He is just grabbing at straws randomly, and the post is getting so far
off its original matter, mainly due to the fact of S.M.H's ignorance
in the operation of a hydrostatic, and his wealth of misinformation!



I know. I'm just letting him dig a bigger hole. At some point, we will
never hear from him again, or he will say that it's not so bad down here
in the hole, or he will ask for help getting out of the hole. I'm having
fun, you?

===Did you ever own a hydrostatic tractor, or are you just going by some
===pre-conceived assumption?
===After all, as you said, you have a lawn as flat as a billiard table,
===never have to back up, and use only a single forward gear, so how would
===you know about hills, braking, and backing up?



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S. M. Henning wrote:

[BS snipped]

My God, can you at least buy a clue?

This one was fun to read! Keep it up guys.
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S. M. Henning wrote:

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My God, can you at least buy a clue?