Hello:

Have a question re DEET.

Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.

Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.

Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
using presently.

A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?

Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.

Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?

How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Thanks,
Bob

Yes, there are some health concerns with DEET. Yes, higher concentrations
work better than lower concentrations, something which is logical and
obvious. The 100% stuff exists for a reason, but should be sprayed only on
clothing, and used that way, it works quite well. You don't need to use a
lot.

Google is your friend:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthi.../aa042703a.htm

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"Robert11" wrote in message
...
Hello:

Have a question re DEET.

Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits
a higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.

Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.

Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has
been using presently.

A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?

Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the
100% to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.

Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?

How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Thanks,
Bob

Another alternative is the extract from lemon balm (gerianol ) same
scent as a bee's homing scent.
But I second the notion of using deet on the clothing not the skin. I
am still using Viet Nam war surplus deet amazing how far a little bit
goes..

Any amount of DEET is too much. It is a dangerous, period. There are
many things you can use other than DEET to repel mosquitoes. There is
a product called "ShooBug" put out by Bioganic Safety Brand. It is
not organic, but it has no deet and I use it on my clothes with no
fear of it. You can also use eucalyptus oil or wintergreen oil on
clothes and near the face on collars, etc. to repel mosquitoes.

I wish there was a better thing, but try these products do work when
used as directed on the label. Never need to use DEET. I know some
people who spray it on their tents when camping, and I suppose there
is limited safety in that, but not as a product to be used regularly.


On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:51:54 -0400, "Robert11"
wrote:

Hello:

Have a question re DEET.

Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.

Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.

Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
using presently.

A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?

Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.

Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?

How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Thanks,
Bob

Bourne Identity wrote:
Any amount of DEET is too much. It is a dangerous, period. There are
many things you can use other than DEET to repel mosquitoes......ad nauseum, ad infinitum, so on and so forth.......



Pay no attention to Victoria's rants. She is still trying to get the
flouride out of her city's water supply. Whatever it is you're in favor
of, she's against it.

"Betty Harris" wrote in message
ups.com...


Bourne Identity wrote:
Any amount of DEET is too much. It is a dangerous, period. There are
many things you can use other than DEET to repel mosquitoes......ad
nauseum, ad infinitum, so on and so forth.......



Pay no attention to Victoria's rants. She is still trying to get the
flouride out of her city's water supply. Whatever it is you're in favor
of, she's against it.


That contributed nothing. What's YOUR mature opinion of DEET?

"Betty Harris" wrote in message
ups.com...


Bourne Identity wrote:
Any amount of DEET is too much. It is a dangerous, period. There are
many things you can use other than DEET to repel mosquitoes......ad
nauseum, ad infinitum, so on and so forth.......



Pay no attention to Victoria's rants. She is still trying to get the
flouride out of her city's water supply. Whatever it is you're in favor
of, she's against it.



After having to call 911 for myself after merely spraying DEET up into the
air and walking under the mist- I respectfully disagree.
Three showers and lots of scrubbing did nothing- I simply could not breathe
and it wasn't getting any better. Scared the living crap out of me.
DEET is dangerous.


--
Toni
South Florida USA
Zone 10b
http://ww.cearbhaill.com

Robert11 wrote:

Hello:

Have a question re DEET.
[...]

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Check the last two issues of Consumer Reports. They checked
two less toxic formulations that they found as effective as
DEET. Most recently, it was a product called REPEL that
contains lemon eucalyptus.


Mike
On the North Carolina coast - Zone 8a
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spam§mprager@§alum.§mit.§edu says...
Robert11 wrote:

Hello:

Have a question re DEET.
[...]

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Check the last two issues of Consumer Reports. They checked
two less toxic formulations that they found as effective as
DEET. Most recently, it was a product called REPEL that
contains lemon eucalyptus.


Mike
On the North Carolina coast - Zone 8a
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Lemon Eucalyptus is supposed to be only as effective as lower
concentrations of DEET. Picaridin may be the other chemical they were
talking about and it is supposed to be as effective as equal
concentration of DEET, but it only comes in formulations of 7%.
--
Lar ---- who isn't vacationing in Beaufort this year

to email....get rid of the BUGS

Bourne Identity wrote:

Any amount of DEET is too much. It is a dangerous, period. There are
many things you can use other than DEET to repel mosquitoes.

There are three things besides DEET that are effective against
mosquitos, not many. Those tested on real people with real mosquitos
a

1) Repel Lemon Eucalyptus spray. Repel prevented bites by an aggressive
species for 4 to 7 hours, and more than 12 hours by a tamer type.

2) Cutter Advanced with Picaridin. This Cutter product prevented bites
for about 2 to 3 hours with the aggressive species of mosquitos, 8 hours
for the other.

3a) 10% DEET products. 10% DEET prevented bites for about 2 to 3 hours
with the aggressive species of mosquitos, 8 hours for the other.

3b) 33% DEET (3M Ultrathon). Ultrathon prevented bites for about 13
hours against aggressive species of mosquitos and protected against
ticks for 10 hours. It is what is used by the military and state
department.

4) Permethrin is effective if not applied to the skin. It is
neutralized by oils in the skin and is of no use. If applied according
to directions to clothing, it will protect against ticks and mosquitos.
It actually will both repel and kill mosquitos and ticks.

There are no data indicating that lemon eucalyptus or picaridin
effectively protect against ticks. Existing studies with these two
products only show a reduction in ticks attached, not protection.

"Toni" wrote:

After having to call 911 for myself after merely spraying DEET up into the
air and walking under the mist- I respectfully disagree.

Sheese, did you ever hear of reading the directions. Being safe doesn't
mean that extreme abuse can't cause problems. You don't breath it, you
apply it to your skin.
"It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner
inconsistent with its labeling. Read and follow all directions and
precautions on this product label. Hold container 4 to 6 inches away
from skin or clothing and spray. DO NOT use as a space spray. DO NOT
spray in enclosed areas. If used on the face, spray on hands first and
then apply sparingly and avoid eyes. DO NOT spray directly onto face.
Excessive inhalation can cause nasal and respiratory irritation. In
extremely rare cases, can cause nausea and nervous disorders, such as
fatigue, dizziness, headaches, lack of coordination, tremors and
unconsciousness."
Would you like an application for a Darwin Award?

--
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On 4 Jul 2005 12:01:11 -0700, "Betty Harris"
wrote:



Bourne Identity wrote:
Any amount of DEET is too much. It is a dangerous, period. There are
many things you can use other than DEET to repel mosquitoes......ad nauseum, ad infinitum, so on and so forth.......



Pay no attention to Victoria's rants. She is still trying to get the
flouride out of her city's water supply. Whatever it is you're in favor
of, she's against it.

Who the hell are you? Betty Harris? Who's Betty Harris? Who said
anything about fluoride? Gee wiz, get a life.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:01:59 GMT, Mike Prager
§kill-spam§mprager@§alum.§mit.§edu wrote:

Check the last two issues of Consumer Reports. They checked
two less toxic formulations that they found as effective as
DEET. Most recently, it was a product called REPEL that
contains lemon eucalyptus.


Mike
On the North Carolina coast - Zone 8a
(Remove spam traps from email address to reply.)

Thanks, this is the one I couldn't remember. It is very effective.

Victoria

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsh...icals/deet.htm

I would not believe the carcinogen claim that others mention. Also, even if
there is concern about minor claims, test animals are usually dosed to the
point where they are swimming in it and EPA and OSHA extrapolate data points
to zero where in real life curves do not go to zero, i.e. small quantites
have no effect.

I've hunted early deer seasons in marshy areas where bugs are unbelievable.

For me, clothes keep mosquitos away and I only spray around ankles to
prevent chigger bites and face and hands for ticks and mosquitos.

"Stephen Henning" wrote in message
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"Toni" wrote:

After having to call 911 for myself after merely spraying DEET up into
the
air and walking under the mist- I respectfully disagree.

Sheese, did you ever hear of reading the directions. Being safe doesn't
mean that extreme abuse can't cause problems. You don't breath it, you
apply it to your skin.


No kidding.
I did not breathe it.
Repeat - I did not breathe it. In fact I clearly recall being extra careful
about inhaling any.

All I did was very sparsely mist my clothing as I am very cautious about
using such products.

The tone of your (very offensive) post implied that I walked underneath a
waterfall of the stuff with my mouth wide open.
As it was I was wearing long sleeves, long trousers, *and* a hat, . Off for
an early AM dog run just hoping to deter the critters a tad.
I hate to think what would of become of me home alone had I applied it to my
skin as directed.

Is this truly the first case of extreme DEET sensitivity you have heard of?
I assure you it does exist.
--
Toni
South Florida USA
Zone 10b
http://ww.cearbhaill.com

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:00:24 -0400, "Toni" wrote:

After having to call 911 for myself after merely spraying DEET up into the
air and walking under the mist- I respectfully disagree.
Three showers and lots of scrubbing did nothing- I simply could not breathe
and it wasn't getting any better. Scared the living crap out of me.
DEET is dangerous.
Or, DEET may be dangerous to you

The American Association of Poison Control Centers list in 2003 over
9100 cases of toxic exposure with DEET..as well as over 25k cases of
toothpaste with fluoride... 12k cases of toxic exposure with
deodorants...and 77k cases of toxic exposure with plants. Toxins are
all around you and some will be more sensative to various stuff than
others.




Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!


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