wrote:
I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.

No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
summer? Is this normal for the industry?

You don't need one. It doesn't run long enough to worry about it and
it's not like a mower kicking up dust and such.

It takes a long time to draw in enough debris to cause engine damage.
These old engines will also run on a quite a bit of engine wear before
there is a problem. Most of the time it is only a fouled plug. The
engines often outlast the blower anyway.

Kirb

"Tom Miller" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:44 GMT, "Jim"
wrote:



| Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your
car's gas
| tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in
the
| first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to
your
| auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or
use it
| for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my
state,
| it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.
|
| Exactly right!
|
| Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that
much to
| your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if
you dump
| that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil
that's close
| by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.
|
| Use it up first next year you bogart!
|
| Runoff of this can be a problem environmentally. If spreadout along
a
| fenceline, yes it kills everything for that growing season on that
| fenceline. And much less likely to runoff if dumped in one location.
| Typically the next growing season, the soil has recovered enough by
breaking
| down the gasoline to usable or benign components. 2 to 3 years, one
would
| think fertilizer was dropped there instead by growth appearances.
Used
| engine oil is similar. Would have second thoughts on synthetic oil
or
| petroleum based oil with additive product added to the oil by the
consumer.
|
| Dumping laws were directed at chemicals, oil products that were
dumped with
| no attention to the environment. A common invisible example is an
| underground gasoline storage tank that has leaks due to age. The
contents
| get into the water table. The environmental laws apply to all. Even
though
| some conscientious individual could dispense a given amount of
petroleum
| waste without any immediate and subsequent impact except the location
its
| dumped. A gallon of "bad" gasoline doesn't go to far spread out on a
| fenceline. Most of it evaporates.


Overview

Each year, American consumers accidentally spill more than 9 million
gallons of gasoline, largely in attempts to fill small engine machines
like lawn mowers, chain saws, generators and outboard motors and
through improper disposal of excess or old gasoline. The Alliance for
Proper Gasoline Handling is a unique public-private partnership
helping to reduce the significant environmental harm caused by
millions of these small, accidental spills.

A typical portable fuel container, also called a gas can, emits about
8 pounds of hydrocarbons through spills and evaporation each year.

Compared to a new car, a typical portable fuel container emits twice
the amount of hydrocarbons each year.

There are about 78 million portable fuel containers in the United
States. In total, portable fuel containers emit about 621 million
pounds, or 310,000 tons, of hydrocarbons each year.

A rough estimate of hydrocarbon emissions from gasoline spillage alone
is approximately 28,000 tons per year nationwide.

About one tenth of a gallon of gasoline is spilled per portable fuel
container each year during typical use and handling.

These releases contribute, at least in part, to the United States
Geologic Society (USGS) estimate that more than 40 million people use
groundwater that contains at least one volatile organic compound, many
of which are components of gasoline.



Depends on the locale. Some locales have no drinking water supply that
could be termed "ground water". Jeez, throw some common sense in the old
gasoline dumping and where its going.
Some anaerobic bacteria naturally eat raw petroleum, and peat/decaying plant
material underground or underwater or both. Whatever is added to gasoline
or oil can be problem for these.
--
Lil' Dave
Beware the rule quoters, the corp mindset, the Borg
Else you will be absorbed

"Jim" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Bob" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
news:001cf.5745
Other than killing weeds on the fenceline, there's
another
garden use. If
your tomatoes/potato crop location has that contagion
that
requires at least
two years of non-growth to allow the contagion to run
its
course, then pour
the gas in the area. 2 years later, and alls good
irregardless.

If you'd eat vegetables grown where gasoline was dumped,
MBTE and all, you are a far more "trusting" man than I.

Bob



Why? Edible foods are grown in soil with fertilizers
derived from
petroleum, or some form of manure everyday. The only
difference here
between petroleum derived fertilizer and this is that am
not paying for it.

"Derived from" is not "the same as". And they don't put MTBE
in fertilizer. Maybe some plants may grow OK years after
such contamination, but that doesn't mean they are good for
me to eat. For you, maybe?

Bob

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:00:35 GMT, "Jim"
wrote:

| "Tom Miller" wrote in message
| ...
| On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:44 GMT, "Jim"
| wrote:
|
|
|
| | Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your
| car's gas
| | tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in
| the
| | first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to
| your
| | auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or
| use it
| | for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my
| state,
| | it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.
| |
| | Exactly right!
| |
| | Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that
| much to
| | your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if
| you dump
| | that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil
| that's close
| | by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.
| |
| | Use it up first next year you bogart!
| |
| | Runoff of this can be a problem environmentally. If spreadout along
| a
| | fenceline, yes it kills everything for that growing season on that
| | fenceline. And much less likely to runoff if dumped in one location.
| | Typically the next growing season, the soil has recovered enough by
| breaking
| | down the gasoline to usable or benign components. 2 to 3 years, one
| would
| | think fertilizer was dropped there instead by growth appearances.
| Used
| | engine oil is similar. Would have second thoughts on synthetic oil
| or
| | petroleum based oil with additive product added to the oil by the
| consumer.
| |
| | Dumping laws were directed at chemicals, oil products that were
| dumped with
| | no attention to the environment. A common invisible example is an
| | underground gasoline storage tank that has leaks due to age. The
| contents
| | get into the water table. The environmental laws apply to all. Even
| though
| | some conscientious individual could dispense a given amount of
| petroleum
| | waste without any immediate and subsequent impact except the location
| its
| | dumped. A gallon of "bad" gasoline doesn't go to far spread out on a
| | fenceline. Most of it evaporates.
|
|
| Overview
|
| Each year, American consumers accidentally spill more than 9 million
| gallons of gasoline, largely in attempts to fill small engine machines
| like lawn mowers, chain saws, generators and outboard motors and
| through improper disposal of excess or old gasoline. The Alliance for
| Proper Gasoline Handling is a unique public-private partnership
| helping to reduce the significant environmental harm caused by
| millions of these small, accidental spills.
|
| A typical portable fuel container, also called a gas can, emits about
| 8 pounds of hydrocarbons through spills and evaporation each year.
|
| Compared to a new car, a typical portable fuel container emits twice
| the amount of hydrocarbons each year.
|
| There are about 78 million portable fuel containers in the United
| States. In total, portable fuel containers emit about 621 million
| pounds, or 310,000 tons, of hydrocarbons each year.
|
| A rough estimate of hydrocarbon emissions from gasoline spillage alone
| is approximately 28,000 tons per year nationwide.
|
| About one tenth of a gallon of gasoline is spilled per portable fuel
| container each year during typical use and handling.
|
| These releases contribute, at least in part, to the United States
| Geologic Society (USGS) estimate that more than 40 million people use
| groundwater that contains at least one volatile organic compound, many
| of which are components of gasoline.
|
|
|
| Depends on the locale. Some locales have no drinking water supply that
| could be termed "ground water". Jeez, throw some common sense in the old
| gasoline dumping and where its going.
| Some anaerobic bacteria naturally eat raw petroleum, and peat/decaying plant
| material underground or underwater or both. Whatever is added to gasoline
| or oil can be problem for these.

Pretty weak response, Lil.

| Lil' Dave
| Beware the rule quoters, the corp mindset, the Borg
| Else you will be absorbed
|
|

Don't you write horror movies?

"Night of the flying mouse parts.... hide under the bed and breathe through
the sheets"

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..


"Stephen King" wrote in message
...
JUst think: You can use your snow thrower to shoot mouse parts at your
hated neighbors.

Tom Miller wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:44 GMT, "Jim"
wrote:



| Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's
| gas
| tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in
| the first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to
| your auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground
| or use it for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In
| my state, it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.
|
| Exactly right!
|
| Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that
| much to your car tank and never notice a difference in
| performance.....if you dump that much on the ground, you will kill
| everything in the soil that's close by -and- some fish in your
| nearest body of water.
|
| Use it up first next year you bogart!
|
| Runoff of this can be a problem environmentally. If spreadout along a
| fenceline, yes it kills everything for that growing season on that
| fenceline. And much less likely to runoff if dumped in one location.
| Typically the next growing season, the soil has recovered enough by
| breaking
| down the gasoline to usable or benign components. 2 to 3 years, one
| would
| think fertilizer was dropped there instead by growth appearances.
| Used
| engine oil is similar. Would have second thoughts on synthetic oil or
| petroleum based oil with additive product added to the oil by the
| consumer.
|
| Dumping laws were directed at chemicals, oil products that were dumped
| with
| no attention to the environment. A common invisible example is an
| underground gasoline storage tank that has leaks due to age. The
| contents
| get into the water table. The environmental laws apply to all. Even
| though some conscientious individual could dispense a given amount of
| petroleum waste without any immediate and subsequent impact except the
| location its
| dumped. A gallon of "bad" gasoline doesn't go to far spread out on a
| fenceline. Most of it evaporates.


Overview

Each year, American consumers accidentally spill more than 9 million
gallons of gasoline, largely in attempts to fill small engine machines
like lawn mowers, chain saws, generators and outboard motors and
through improper disposal of excess or old gasoline.

Absolute baloney! No way there is 9 million gallons spilled filling small
engines. That just is not true. Its phoney figures like this that make
people question the entire motives of environmentalists. You paint a picture
of people just slopping gas around like it was soapy water at a car wash.

The Alliance for
Proper Gasoline Handling is a unique public-private partnership
helping to reduce the significant environmental harm caused by
millions of these small, accidental spills.
Ah-ha! There's the agenda! got to prop up the numbers so you have a cause to
fight. There's money in it dont cha know? Gument pays good dont they? Hey!
how `bout we tax them dirty homeowners who're spilling all that gasoline?


A typical portable fuel container, also called a gas can, emits about
8 pounds of hydrocarbons through spills and evaporation each year.

Compared to a new car, a typical portable fuel container emits twice
the amount of hydrocarbons each year.

There are about 78 million portable fuel containers in the United
States. In total, portable fuel containers emit about 621 million
pounds, or 310,000 tons, of hydrocarbons each year.

Another wild claim - do the math! now we've got gas cans emitting
almost more tons of pollution than they weigh in the first place
and just by evaporation.


A rough estimate of hydrocarbon emissions from gasoline spillage alone
is approximately 28,000 tons per year nationwide.

About one tenth of a gallon of gasoline is spilled per portable fuel
container each year during typical use and handling.

These releases contribute, at least in part, to the United States
Geologic Society (USGS) estimate that more than 40 million people use
groundwater that contains at least one volatile organic compound, many
of which are components of gasoline.

You want to clean things up? Go after the fools driving the "blue smokers"
down the road. Stop with the wild-ass foolish claims that end up costing
everyone money for nothing.
Spin spin spin, you people sure do know how to spin and twist things.
Eric

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:39:07 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

Oscar_Lives wrote:
..
Why not dump in on the ground? Better yet--poor it down an old well.
Gas and oil came from the ground. Put it back where it came from and
be done with it.

If you are not a troll, then you are really ignorant.
You should recognize that name.. He post's nothing but crap...
In alt.home.repair.. let someone mention a "hot water heater" and he
comes alive..
He's an idiot that posts to quite a few newsgroups.. and never has
anything on topic or useful to say..
Chuck

Eric wrote:
Tom Miller wrote:


On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:44 GMT, "Jim"
wrote:




| Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's
| gas
| tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in
| the first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to
| your auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground
| or use it for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In
| my state, it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.
|
| Exactly right!
|
| Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that
| much to your car tank and never notice a difference in
| performance.....if you dump that much on the ground, you will kill
| everything in the soil that's close by -and- some fish in your
| nearest body of water.
|
| Use it up first next year you bogart!
|
| Runoff of this can be a problem environmentally. If spreadout along a
| fenceline, yes it kills everything for that growing season on that
| fenceline. And much less likely to runoff if dumped in one location.
| Typically the next growing season, the soil has recovered enough by
| breaking
| down the gasoline to usable or benign components. 2 to 3 years, one
| would
| think fertilizer was dropped there instead by growth appearances.
| Used
| engine oil is similar. Would have second thoughts on synthetic oil or
| petroleum based oil with additive product added to the oil by the
| consumer.
|
| Dumping laws were directed at chemicals, oil products that were dumped
| with
| no attention to the environment. A common invisible example is an
| underground gasoline storage tank that has leaks due to age. The
| contents
| get into the water table. The environmental laws apply to all. Even
| though some conscientious individual could dispense a given amount of
| petroleum waste without any immediate and subsequent impact except the
| location its
| dumped. A gallon of "bad" gasoline doesn't go to far spread out on a
| fenceline. Most of it evaporates.


Overview

Each year, American consumers accidentally spill more than 9 million
gallons of gasoline, largely in attempts to fill small engine machines
like lawn mowers, chain saws, generators and outboard motors and
through improper disposal of excess or old gasoline.


Absolute baloney! No way there is 9 million gallons spilled filling small
engines. That just is not true. Its phoney figures like this that make
people question the entire motives of environmentalists. You paint a picture
of people just slopping gas around like it was soapy water at a car wash.


The Alliance for
Proper Gasoline Handling is a unique public-private partnership
helping to reduce the significant environmental harm caused by
millions of these small, accidental spills.

Ah-ha! There's the agenda! got to prop up the numbers so you have a cause to
fight. There's money in it dont cha know? Gument pays good dont they? Hey!
how `bout we tax them dirty homeowners who're spilling all that gasoline?


A typical portable fuel container, also called a gas can, emits about
8 pounds of hydrocarbons through spills and evaporation each year.

Compared to a new car, a typical portable fuel container emits twice
the amount of hydrocarbons each year.

There are about 78 million portable fuel containers in the United
States. In total, portable fuel containers emit about 621 million
pounds, or 310,000 tons, of hydrocarbons each year.


Another wild claim - do the math! now we've got gas cans emitting
almost more tons of pollution than they weigh in the first place
and just by evaporation.


A rough estimate of hydrocarbon emissions from gasoline spillage alone
is approximately 28,000 tons per year nationwide.

About one tenth of a gallon of gasoline is spilled per portable fuel
container each year during typical use and handling.

These releases contribute, at least in part, to the United States
Geologic Society (USGS) estimate that more than 40 million people use
groundwater that contains at least one volatile organic compound, many
of which are components of gasoline.


You want to clean things up? Go after the fools driving the "blue smokers"
down the road. Stop with the wild-ass foolish claims that end up costing
everyone money for nothing.
Spin spin spin, you people sure do know how to spin and twist things.
Eric


No, go after the fools that insisted on putting
MTBE in the gasoline.