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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Mike wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale green to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil quality in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought in. How pricey would that be? Any other suggestions? Thanks Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil pretty close by. yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and profitability. Unless its been farmed to shit! funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical fertilizers? We use chicken shit for 100% organic lawn fert for some customers. that causes me to wonder if certification by the NCDACS would be required before allowing said lawn care works to make such an application? most likely, there'd be an unaddressed loop hole somewhere in this one. |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale green to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil quality in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought in. How pricey would that be? Any other suggestions? Thanks Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil pretty close by. yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and profitability. Unless its been farmed to shit! funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical fertilizers? We use chicken shit for 100% organic lawn fert for some customers. that causes me to wonder if certification by the NCDACS would be required before allowing said lawn care works to make such an application? most likely, there'd be an unaddressed loop hole somewhere in this one. I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. Wow that was a struggle, my R key is pooched! |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Mike wrote:
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale green to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil quality in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought in. How pricey would that be? Any other suggestions? Thanks Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil pretty close by. yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and profitability. Unless its been farmed to shit! funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical fertilizers? We use chicken shit for 100% organic lawn fert for some customers. that causes me to wonder if certification by the NCDACS would be required before allowing said lawn care works to make such an application? most likely, there'd be an unaddressed loop hole somewhere in this one. I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. Wow that was a struggle, my R key is pooched! North Carolina Dept of Agriculture & Consumer Services http://www.ncagr.com/ -- These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any Government, Commercial or Educational institution. John |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Mike wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt [....] I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of the environment ought to be banned. |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt [....] I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of the environment ought to be banned. They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with acedic acid/yucca for weed control. |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Mike wrote:
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt [....] I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of the environment ought to be banned. They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with acedic acid/yucca for weed control. You know, if you do like I do, and every time you cut the grass, just pile it all in a wheelbarrow, roll it 'round back & put it on the compost pile, you don't ever have to buy chemical fertilizers. Does help to use a pitch-fork and turn the pile once in a while. That's a good time to add in the vegetable scraps, coffee grounds & egg shells. About once a year, I run it through a chipper/shredder & move it over to the second pile. That's also a good time for cleaning up any volunteer shrubbery & walnut trees and shred them into the second pile as well. Anything 1/2" or more gets cut up for kindlin' Second pile's also goes thru the shredder (with the fine screen) & gets moved to the third pile. To me, the third pile looks just like the topsoil they sell in bags at Lowes or Home Depot. Plus you never gotta' buy bait. There's plenty of worms in there if ya' wanna' go fishin'. -- These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any Government, Commercial or Educational institution. John |
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"no_name" wrote in message .. . Mike wrote: "Jim Ledford" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt [....] I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of the environment ought to be banned. They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with acedic acid/yucca for weed control. You know, if you do like I do, and every time you cut the grass, just pile it all in a wheelbarrow, roll it 'round back & put it on the compost pile, you don't ever have to buy chemical fertilizers. Does help to use a pitch-fork and turn the pile once in a while. That's a good time to add in the vegetable scraps, coffee grounds & egg shells. About once a year, I run it through a chipper/shredder & move it over to the second pile. That's also a good time for cleaning up any volunteer shrubbery & walnut trees and shred them into the second pile as well. Anything 1/2" or more gets cut up for kindlin' Second pile's also goes thru the shredder (with the fine screen) & gets moved to the third pile. To me, the third pile looks just like the topsoil they sell in bags at Lowes or Home Depot. Plus you never gotta' buy bait. There's plenty of worms in there if ya' wanna' go fishin'. -- These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any Government, Commercial or Educational institution. John And hope that fine roots don't invade your pile and make it so bound up you can't get a shovel in it. |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Srgnt Billko wrote:
"no_name" wrote in message .. . Mike wrote: "Jim Ledford" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt [....] I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of the environment ought to be banned. They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with acedic acid/yucca for weed control. You know, if you do like I do, and every time you cut the grass, just pile it all in a wheelbarrow, roll it 'round back & put it on the compost pile, you don't ever have to buy chemical fertilizers. Does help to use a pitch-fork and turn the pile once in a while. That's a good time to add in the vegetable scraps, coffee grounds & egg shells. About once a year, I run it through a chipper/shredder & move it over to the second pile. That's also a good time for cleaning up any volunteer shrubbery & walnut trees and shred them into the second pile as well. Anything 1/2" or more gets cut up for kindlin' Second pile's also goes thru the shredder (with the fine screen) & gets moved to the third pile. To me, the third pile looks just like the topsoil they sell in bags at Lowes or Home Depot. Plus you never gotta' buy bait. There's plenty of worms in there if ya' wanna' go fishin'. And hope that fine roots don't invade your pile and make it so bound up you can't get a shovel in it. Ain't happened in the last 20 years or so since I been composting, but I'll watch out for it. -- These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any Government, Commercial or Educational institution. John |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Jim Ledford wrote:
synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of the environment ought to be banned. LOL. And return to the days of e coli, cholera, listeria, dysentery, and foodstuffs mishapen and unappealing due to proper mineral balance? BTW - there's nothing "synthetic" about chemical fertilizers. Chemically, there is no difference whatsoever - except for uniform composition and lack of impurities. Science - not voodoo traditions. |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote: synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of the environment ought to be banned. LOL. And return to the days of e coli, cholera, listeria, dysentery, and foodstuffs mishapen and unappealing due to proper mineral balance? BTW - there's nothing "synthetic" about chemical fertilizers. Chemically, there is no difference whatsoever - except for uniform composition and lack of impurities. Science - not voodoo traditions. http://www.lesco.com/ most likely you're not in the lawn care business and as such I'd not expect you to be aware of Lesco products as well as have an in-depth understanding for how Lesco has used science and field test research to advance their product line well past that of all other producers. Lesco products cost more, however for the sake of the environment they are well worth the investment. best, Jim |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Jim Ledford wrote: Mike wrote: Srgnt Billko wrote: synergy3000 wrote: I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt [....] I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of the environment ought to be banned. And warn the unaware - not to use fresh chicken manure cause it burns the vegetation. What are poultry farmers using for floor cover in your area ? Hate like hell to have 75% woodchips spread over my lawn. |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Mike wrote:
I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition - while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly match the plant's chemical needs. |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition - while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly match the plant's chemical needs. I believe that it is sterilized beforehand else the bags would have a biohazard symbol on them. |
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Poor soil (dirt) quality
Mike wrote:
"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers. I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition - while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly match the plant's chemical needs. I believe that it is sterilized beforehand else the bags would have a biohazard symbol on them. Compost it & the heat it generates will sterilize it for you. -- These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any Government, Commercial or Educational institution. John |
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