"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt
is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot
with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale
green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil
quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought
in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil
pretty
close by.

yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped
off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how
they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold
back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and
profitability.

Unless its been farmed to shit!

funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the
substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified
produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess
what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical
fertilizers?
We use chicken shit for 100% organic lawn fert for some customers.

that causes me to wonder if certification by the NCDACS would
be required before allowing said lawn care works to make such
an application? most likely, there'd be an unaddressed loop
hole somewhere in this one.
I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.
Wow that was a struggle, my R key is pooched!

Mike wrote:
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:


Jim Ledford wrote:

Mike wrote:

Srgnt Billko wrote:

synergy3000 wrote:

I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt
is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot
with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale
green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil
quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought
in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil
pretty
close by.

yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped
off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how
they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold
back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and
profitability.


Unless its been farmed to shit!

funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the
substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified
produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess
what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical
fertilizers?

We use chicken shit for 100% organic lawn fert for some customers.

that causes me to wonder if certification by the NCDACS would
be required before allowing said lawn care works to make such
an application? most likely, there'd be an unaddressed loop
hole somewhere in this one.

I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.
Wow that was a struggle, my R key is pooched!



North Carolina Dept of Agriculture & Consumer Services

http://www.ncagr.com/

--

These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on
me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for
any Government, Commercial or Educational institution.

John

no_name wrote:
North Carolina Dept of Agriculture & Consumer Services

http://www.nascar.com/


Whaaa?

Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt
[....]
I'm not sure who the NCDACS is,

North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services


but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.

synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The
dirt
[....]
I'm not sure who the NCDACS is,

North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services


but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.

synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.
They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best
results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a
little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with
acedic acid/yucca for weed control.

Mike wrote:
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
...

Mike wrote:


Jim Ledford wrote:

Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:

Mike wrote:

Srgnt Billko wrote:

synergy3000 wrote:

I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The
dirt

[....]

I'm not sure who the NCDACS is,

North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services



but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.

synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best
results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a
little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with
acedic acid/yucca for weed control.



You know, if you do like I do, and every time you cut the grass, just
pile it all in a wheelbarrow, roll it 'round back & put it on the
compost pile, you don't ever have to buy chemical fertilizers.

Does help to use a pitch-fork and turn the pile once in a while. That's
a good time to add in the vegetable scraps, coffee grounds & egg shells.

About once a year, I run it through a chipper/shredder & move it over to
the second pile. That's also a good time for cleaning up any volunteer
shrubbery & walnut trees and shred them into the second pile as well.
Anything 1/2" or more gets cut up for kindlin'

Second pile's also goes thru the shredder (with the fine screen) & gets
moved to the third pile.

To me, the third pile looks just like the topsoil they sell in bags at
Lowes or Home Depot.

Plus you never gotta' buy bait. There's plenty of worms in there if ya'
wanna' go fishin'.


--

These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on
me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for
any Government, Commercial or Educational institution.

John

"no_name" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
...

Mike wrote:


Jim Ledford wrote:

Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:

Mike wrote:

Srgnt Billko wrote:

synergy3000 wrote:

I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The
dirt

[....]

I'm not sure who the NCDACS is,

North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services



but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.

synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best
results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a
little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with
acedic acid/yucca for weed control.

You know, if you do like I do, and every time you cut the grass, just pile
it all in a wheelbarrow, roll it 'round back & put it on the compost pile,
you don't ever have to buy chemical fertilizers.

Does help to use a pitch-fork and turn the pile once in a while. That's a
good time to add in the vegetable scraps, coffee grounds & egg shells.

About once a year, I run it through a chipper/shredder & move it over to
the second pile. That's also a good time for cleaning up any volunteer
shrubbery & walnut trees and shred them into the second pile as well.
Anything 1/2" or more gets cut up for kindlin'

Second pile's also goes thru the shredder (with the fine screen) & gets
moved to the third pile.

To me, the third pile looks just like the topsoil they sell in bags at
Lowes or Home Depot.

Plus you never gotta' buy bait. There's plenty of worms in there if ya'
wanna' go fishin'.


--

These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on
me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any
Government, Commercial or Educational institution.

John

And hope that fine roots don't invade your pile and make it so bound up you
can't get a shovel in it.

Srgnt Billko wrote:

"no_name" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:

"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:



Jim Ledford wrote:


Mike wrote:


Jim Ledford wrote:


Mike wrote:


Srgnt Billko wrote:


synergy3000 wrote:


I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The
dirt

[....]


I'm not sure who the NCDACS is,

North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services




but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.

synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best
results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a
little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with
acedic acid/yucca for weed control.

You know, if you do like I do, and every time you cut the grass, just pile
it all in a wheelbarrow, roll it 'round back & put it on the compost pile,
you don't ever have to buy chemical fertilizers.

Does help to use a pitch-fork and turn the pile once in a while. That's a
good time to add in the vegetable scraps, coffee grounds & egg shells.

About once a year, I run it through a chipper/shredder & move it over to
the second pile. That's also a good time for cleaning up any volunteer
shrubbery & walnut trees and shred them into the second pile as well.
Anything 1/2" or more gets cut up for kindlin'

Second pile's also goes thru the shredder (with the fine screen) & gets
moved to the third pile.

To me, the third pile looks just like the topsoil they sell in bags at
Lowes or Home Depot.

Plus you never gotta' buy bait. There's plenty of worms in there if ya'
wanna' go fishin'.


And hope that fine roots don't invade your pile and make it so bound up you
can't get a shovel in it.



Ain't happened in the last 20 years or so since I been composting, but
I'll watch out for it.

--

These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on
me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for
any Government, Commercial or Educational institution.

John

Jim Ledford wrote:


synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

LOL. And return to the days of e coli, cholera, listeria,
dysentery, and foodstuffs mishapen and unappealing due
to proper mineral balance?

BTW - there's nothing "synthetic" about chemical fertilizers.
Chemically, there is no difference whatsoever - except for
uniform composition and lack of impurities.
Science - not voodoo traditions.

Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:


synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

LOL. And return to the days of e coli, cholera, listeria,
dysentery, and foodstuffs mishapen and unappealing due
to proper mineral balance?

BTW - there's nothing "synthetic" about chemical fertilizers.
Chemically, there is no difference whatsoever - except for
uniform composition and lack of impurities.
Science - not voodoo traditions.

http://www.lesco.com/

most likely you're not in the lawn care business and as such
I'd not expect you to be aware of Lesco products as well as
have an in-depth understanding for how Lesco has used science
and field test research to advance their product line well past
that of all other producers. Lesco products cost more, however
for the sake of the environment they are well worth the investment.


best,
Jim

"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The
dirt
[....]
I'm not sure who the NCDACS is,

North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services


but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.

synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

And warn the unaware - not to use fresh chicken manure cause it burns the
vegetation. What are poultry farmers using for floor cover in your area ?
Hate like hell to have 75% woodchips spread over my lawn.

Mike wrote:


I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE
recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic
fertalizers.

I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other
viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition
- while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly
match the plant's chemical needs.

"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:


I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE
recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic
fertalizers.

I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other
viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition
- while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly
match the plant's chemical needs.
I believe that it is sterilized beforehand else the bags would have a
biohazard symbol on them.

Mike wrote:

"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message
...

Mike wrote:

I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE
recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic
fertalizers.

I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other
viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition
- while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly
match the plant's chemical needs.

I believe that it is sterilized beforehand else the bags would have a
biohazard symbol on them.



Compost it & the heat it generates will sterilize it for you.

--

These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on
me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for
any Government, Commercial or Educational institution.

John

"Mike" wrote in message
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"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:


I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE
recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic
fertalizers.

I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other
viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition
- while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly
match the plant's chemical needs.
I believe that it is sterilized beforehand else the bags would have a
biohazard symbol on them.


LOL - never thought of buying chicken manure by the bag.. Pickup truck
yes - bag no !! Sterilized chicken shit ?? - what next ?