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Nope. Merely deformation.

Pelorism is defined as having symmetry where it is not expected - e.g.,
petals modified so they look like lips, lip modified so it looks like a
petal, either giving us three where there should be one lip and three
"ordinary" petals.

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Kathy,
Have you used any chemicals on it, if so, what?
I tag & record info when I use the Big Guns & found this happen when I used
cygon?
I have a terrible picture of a Canhamiana & I am sick as it looks like a
virus!!!! Attaching same.
Have removed it from the g/h & it is a division so have to find the
original.
Cheers Wendy

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Deformation from what???? Just the way things go? I can't think of anything
I've done except not repotted this in 2 years. Last bloom 6 mos ago was so
good I almost brought it in for judging. Ploidy problem? grrr. Its
ticking me off.

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Nope. Merely deformation.

Pelorism is defined as having symmetry where it is not expected - e.g.,
petals modified so they look like lips, lip modified so it looks like a
petal, either giving us three where there should be one lip and three
"ordinary" petals.

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Sorry Ray. This post reads crabbier than I intended. I intended it to look
mostly puzzled, not challenging or angry, and it reads angry/crabby to me.
Wendy reminds me that I did spray with an orthene a few weeks ago, but I'd a
thought the buds were further along in formation and wouldn't cripple.... I
guess not!

Again, sorry if you misinterpreted my post.

K
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Deformation from what???? Just the way things go? I can't think of
anything I've done except not repotted this in 2 years. Last bloom 6 mos
ago was so good I almost brought it in for judging. Ploidy problem?
grrr. Its ticking me off.

K

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Nope. Merely deformation.

Pelorism is defined as having symmetry where it is not expected - e.g.,
petals modified so they look like lips, lip modified so it looks like a
petal, either giving us three where there should be one lip and three
"ordinary" petals.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I'm going to open a vein.

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Wendy, you are right! I did spray a few (2?? 3??) weeks ago with an orthene
product, so I guess that could be it. I'll wait to see how it blooms next
time. As to your Canhamiana I had a mossiae that bloomed with those same
streaks and like an idiot I tossed it. Later I found another plant that I
forgot to toss out becasue it bloomed with streaks too (I think it was a
Canhamianna 'Azure Sky) and it bloomed the next year just fine. So I'd say
keep your isolated (just in case) but wait and see what happens next year.

K

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Kathy,
Have you used any chemicals on it, if so, what?
I tag & record info when I use the Big Guns & found this happen when I
used
cygon?
I have a terrible picture of a Canhamiana & I am sick as it looks like a
virus!!!! Attaching same.
Have removed it from the g/h & it is a division so have to find the
original.
Cheers Wendy

"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I'm going to open a vein.

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Don't worry about it Kath.

I'd have voted for a chemical reaction, too.

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Sorry Ray. This post reads crabbier than I intended. I intended it to
look mostly puzzled, not challenging or angry, and it reads angry/crabby
to me. Wendy reminds me that I did spray with an orthene a few weeks ago,
but I'd a thought the buds were further along in formation and wouldn't
cripple.... I guess not!

Again, sorry if you misinterpreted my post.

K
"K Barrett" wrote in message
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Deformation from what???? Just the way things go? I can't think of
anything I've done except not repotted this in 2 years. Last bloom 6 mos
ago was so good I almost brought it in for judging. Ploidy problem?
grrr. Its ticking me off.

K

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Nope. Merely deformation.

Pelorism is defined as having symmetry where it is not expected - e.g.,
petals modified so they look like lips, lip modified so it looks like a
petal, either giving us three where there should be one lip and three
"ordinary" petals.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I'm going to open a vein.

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Hi Kathy

Cold temperatures can also cause this to happen. I have a Vanda tricolor
that regularly gave me deformed/fused floral segments until I increased the
minimum temperature.

Cheers

John

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Wendy, you are right! I did spray a few (2?? 3??) weeks ago with an
orthene product, so I guess that could be it. I'll wait to see how it
blooms next time. As to your Canhamiana I had a mossiae that bloomed with
those same streaks and like an idiot I tossed it. Later I found another
plant that I forgot to toss out becasue it bloomed with streaks too (I
think it was a Canhamianna 'Azure Sky) and it bloomed the next year just
fine. So I'd say keep your isolated (just in case) but wait and see what
happens next year.

K

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Kathy,
Have you used any chemicals on it, if so, what?
I tag & record info when I use the Big Guns & found this happen when I
used
cygon?
I have a terrible picture of a Canhamiana & I am sick as it looks like a
virus!!!! Attaching same.
Have removed it from the g/h & it is a division so have to find the
original.
Cheers Wendy

"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I'm going to open a vein.

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Oh I would imagine if it were chemical it would have to be something
systemic, the one I used was. They took
it off the shelf here in CA.
I will keep my plant isolated for sure.
Cheers Wendy
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Wendy, you are right! I did spray a few (2?? 3??) weeks ago with an
orthene product, so I guess that could be it. I'll wait to see how it
blooms next time. As to your Canhamiana I had a mossiae that bloomed with
those same streaks and like an idiot I tossed it. Later I found another
plant that I forgot to toss out becasue it bloomed with streaks too (I
think it was a Canhamianna 'Azure Sky) and it bloomed the next year just
fine. So I'd say keep your isolated (just in case) but wait and see what
happens next year.

K

"Wendy7" wrote in message
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Kathy,
Have you used any chemicals on it, if so, what?
I tag & record info when I use the Big Guns & found this happen when I
used
cygon?
I have a terrible picture of a Canhamiana & I am sick as it looks like a
virus!!!! Attaching same.
Have removed it from the g/h & it is a division so have to find the
original.
Cheers Wendy

"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I'm going to open a vein.

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I have a Blc (Slc?) Natalie Canipeli 'Moonshot' that is blooming this year
with fused buds, too.

I gotta get better at this hobby.

K
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Hi Kathy

Cold temperatures can also cause this to happen. I have a Vanda tricolor
that regularly gave me deformed/fused floral segments until I increased
the minimum temperature.

Cheers

John

"K Barrett" wrote in message
news
Wendy, you are right! I did spray a few (2?? 3??) weeks ago with an
orthene product, so I guess that could be it. I'll wait to see how it
blooms next time. As to your Canhamiana I had a mossiae that bloomed
with those same streaks and like an idiot I tossed it. Later I found
another plant that I forgot to toss out becasue it bloomed with streaks
too (I think it was a Canhamianna 'Azure Sky) and it bloomed the next
year just fine. So I'd say keep your isolated (just in case) but wait
and see what happens next year.

K

"Wendy7" wrote in message
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Kathy,
Have you used any chemicals on it, if so, what?
I tag & record info when I use the Big Guns & found this happen when I
used
cygon?
I have a terrible picture of a Canhamiana & I am sick as it looks like a
virus!!!! Attaching same.
Have removed it from the g/h & it is a division so have to find the
original.
Cheers Wendy

"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I'm going to open a vein.

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FWIW, I have a Lowara Judy Barrick (B. flagellaris x Sl Smoking Mirror) that
was the "runt of the litter" from a mass of seedlings I got from Allen Black
a few years ago. It somehow survived my neglect, mounted on a cork slab,
and just bloomed for the first time with two blossoms.

This looks like it may some day be a really nice plant, but this time, one
blossom was simply missing a petal, while the other had both of them fused
with the lip.

The plant was sprayed with a Bayer Tree & Shrub formulation containing Merit
while in small bud, but obviously don't know if that contributed.

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"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I have a Blc (Slc?) Natalie Canipeli 'Moonshot' that is blooming this year
with fused buds, too.

I gotta get better at this hobby.

K
"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Hi Kathy

Cold temperatures can also cause this to happen. I have a Vanda tricolor
that regularly gave me deformed/fused floral segments until I increased
the minimum temperature.

Cheers

John

"K Barrett" wrote in message
news
Wendy, you are right! I did spray a few (2?? 3??) weeks ago with an
orthene product, so I guess that could be it. I'll wait to see how it
blooms next time. As to your Canhamiana I had a mossiae that bloomed
with those same streaks and like an idiot I tossed it. Later I found
another plant that I forgot to toss out becasue it bloomed with streaks
too (I think it was a Canhamianna 'Azure Sky) and it bloomed the next
year just fine. So I'd say keep your isolated (just in case) but wait
and see what happens next year.

K

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Kathy,
Have you used any chemicals on it, if so, what?
I tag & record info when I use the Big Guns & found this happen when I
used
cygon?
I have a terrible picture of a Canhamiana & I am sick as it looks like
a
virus!!!! Attaching same.
Have removed it from the g/h & it is a division so have to find the
original.
Cheers Wendy

"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I'm going to open a vein.

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