Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Report Post  
Old 15-09-2008, 03:28 PM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Jul 2006
Posts: 261
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

can we say: cane toads? i mean, seriously: SCALE?!!




Congressional Quarterly Homeland Security

September 12, 2008 Friday

753 words


DHS Ready to Test Cane-Eating Bugs in Effort to Reduce Cover for
Illegal Crossings

By Rob Margetta, CQ Staff


The Department of Homeland Security is about ready to see how three
new agents do at the border: a primitive, non-stinging wasp, a fly and
another herbivorous insect called a scale.

For almost two years, DHS's Science and Technology Directorate has
been working with the Department of Agriculture to research whether
the bugs -- all native to Spain -- could be deployed as a safe, cost-
efficient way to eradicate much of the Carrizo cane that grows along
the Rio Grande.

That theory is going to be put to the test soon, although no release
date has been announced.

The plant covers 10,000 acres along the river in patches so dense that
illegal immigrants use it as cover for border crossings. The cane
situation is serious enough that it has come up in nearly a half-dozen
congressional border security hearings in 2008 alone.

When S&T began its work on the program, the use of the insects was
considered "high risk, high reward" -- as in, if it worked, the
benefits would be great, but success was less than a sure thing. Now,
S&T program manager Mark Kaczmarek said those odds are looking better.

"Since we have not fielded this stuff yet, we cannot say how effective
it will be," he said. But, he added, "We've tested them to make sure
that they don't feed on native species."

And that concern was one of the primary obstacles in deploying the
insects. Genetic tests say the cane itself most likely came from the
region near Barcelona, and was brought to the lower Rio Grande valley
by settlers hundreds of years ago.

"It was a building material," used for basket-weaving and thatching by
settlers, Kaczmarek said.

But the cane grew unchecked thanks to favorable growing conditions
along the river and a complete lack of North American animals that
feed on it.

"It's a wild weed, essentially," Kaczmarek said. "It grows real tall
and real dense."

In fact, it can reach anywhere from three to 10 meters and grow up to
seven inches a week, much taller and denser than when it is kept in
check by herbivores in its natural environment. Chop it down,
Kaczmarek said, and six months later it's over your head again.

"I'm told that if you're standing on the edge of it with someone and
you walk in, within five feet, you can no longer see the individual,"
he said.

So far, solutions to thin out the stands of cane have involved cutting
it down and deploying herbicides, although government agencies have
been reluctant to use the latter because of environmental concerns.

Limited Release

Kaczmarek said the insects present a much cheaper and more
environmentally friendly alternative.

The Arundo wasp lays eggs in the cane stalks, and its larvae feed on
the plants' interiors. The Arundo fly does the same thing to new
shoots of cane, and the Arundo scale feeds on rhizomes, or underground
stems, that the cane uses to reproduce and spread.

"The three of them have different effects on how they feed on the
cane," Kaczmarek said. "In a native population, this has a cumulative
effect."

He warned that eliminating the cane isn't realistic, and said the
insect solution would hopefully control the problem so that plant
species native to the Rio Grande could return.

Not everyone is thrilled with the idea, though. Border officials have
told Congress that some landowners expressed a preference for the use
of herbicides that won't harm the river.

Kaczmarek said homeland security wasn't the government's initial
concern about the cane. For years, the USDA has been looking for a
solution because the cane stands suck up water that could go to native
species or irrigation. With their shallow root systems, the stands
also cause soil erosion and damage the low-flow areas where fish
spawn. When DHS saw ancillary concerns, it used S&T to "accelerate"
the bug program, Kaczmarek said.

"The hope is it will allow a natural riverbank to form again," he
said.

Currently, USDA is going through regulatory process for field testing.
Canada, the United States and Mexico all have to agree that they have
no environmental concerns before the program can go forward.

Meanwhile, researchers are preparing for a limited release as a test
of the insects: one square mile of cane-infested land that would be
monitored carefully.

Kaczmarek said after that testing phase, S&T's involvement in the
program would end. The decision on a larger deployment -- most likely
the release of insects bred in captivity -- would be USDA's.

Rob Margetta can be reached at .





--j_a
  #2   Report Post  
Old 15-09-2008, 07:49 PM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,086
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

"She swallowed the spider to catch the fly, but I don't know why she
swallowed the fly..............."

;o) Diana

wrote in message
...
can we say: cane toads? i mean, seriously: SCALE?!!




Congressional Quarterly Homeland Security

September 12, 2008 Friday

753 words


DHS Ready to Test Cane-Eating Bugs in Effort to Reduce Cover for
Illegal Crossings

By Rob Margetta, CQ Staff


The Department of Homeland Security is about ready to see how three
new agents do at the border: a primitive, non-stinging wasp, a fly and
another herbivorous insect called a scale.

For almost two years, DHS's Science and Technology Directorate has
been working with the Department of Agriculture to research whether
the bugs -- all native to Spain -- could be deployed as a safe, cost-
efficient way to eradicate much of the Carrizo cane that grows along
the Rio Grande.

That theory is going to be put to the test soon, although no release
date has been announced.

The plant covers 10,000 acres along the river in patches so dense that
illegal immigrants use it as cover for border crossings. The cane
situation is serious enough that it has come up in nearly a half-dozen
congressional border security hearings in 2008 alone.

When S&T began its work on the program, the use of the insects was
considered "high risk, high reward" -- as in, if it worked, the
benefits would be great, but success was less than a sure thing. Now,
S&T program manager Mark Kaczmarek said those odds are looking better.

"Since we have not fielded this stuff yet, we cannot say how effective
it will be," he said. But, he added, "We've tested them to make sure
that they don't feed on native species."

And that concern was one of the primary obstacles in deploying the
insects. Genetic tests say the cane itself most likely came from the
region near Barcelona, and was brought to the lower Rio Grande valley
by settlers hundreds of years ago.

"It was a building material," used for basket-weaving and thatching by
settlers, Kaczmarek said.

But the cane grew unchecked thanks to favorable growing conditions
along the river and a complete lack of North American animals that
feed on it.

"It's a wild weed, essentially," Kaczmarek said. "It grows real tall
and real dense."

In fact, it can reach anywhere from three to 10 meters and grow up to
seven inches a week, much taller and denser than when it is kept in
check by herbivores in its natural environment. Chop it down,
Kaczmarek said, and six months later it's over your head again.

"I'm told that if you're standing on the edge of it with someone and
you walk in, within five feet, you can no longer see the individual,"
he said.

So far, solutions to thin out the stands of cane have involved cutting
it down and deploying herbicides, although government agencies have
been reluctant to use the latter because of environmental concerns.

Limited Release

Kaczmarek said the insects present a much cheaper and more
environmentally friendly alternative.

The Arundo wasp lays eggs in the cane stalks, and its larvae feed on
the plants' interiors. The Arundo fly does the same thing to new
shoots of cane, and the Arundo scale feeds on rhizomes, or underground
stems, that the cane uses to reproduce and spread.

"The three of them have different effects on how they feed on the
cane," Kaczmarek said. "In a native population, this has a cumulative
effect."

He warned that eliminating the cane isn't realistic, and said the
insect solution would hopefully control the problem so that plant
species native to the Rio Grande could return.

Not everyone is thrilled with the idea, though. Border officials have
told Congress that some landowners expressed a preference for the use
of herbicides that won't harm the river.

Kaczmarek said homeland security wasn't the government's initial
concern about the cane. For years, the USDA has been looking for a
solution because the cane stands suck up water that could go to native
species or irrigation. With their shallow root systems, the stands
also cause soil erosion and damage the low-flow areas where fish
spawn. When DHS saw ancillary concerns, it used S&T to "accelerate"
the bug program, Kaczmarek said.

"The hope is it will allow a natural riverbank to form again," he
said.

Currently, USDA is going through regulatory process for field testing.
Canada, the United States and Mexico all have to agree that they have
no environmental concerns before the program can go forward.

Meanwhile, researchers are preparing for a limited release as a test
of the insects: one square mile of cane-infested land that would be
monitored carefully.

Kaczmarek said after that testing phase, S&T's involvement in the
program would end. The decision on a larger deployment -- most likely
the release of insects bred in captivity -- would be USDA's.

Rob Margetta can be reached at .





--j_a



  #3   Report Post  
Old 16-09-2008, 10:55 AM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Jul 2008
Posts: 198
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

That is one of the most absurd things I've ever read.

Intentionally releasing non-native species in the environment - WITHOUT ANY
IDEA TO WHAT EXTENT THEY WILL PROLIFERATE.

I have an idea - we have a problem with illegal aliens with no jobs, right?
Hand them a machete and send them to work!

No kidding. Agriculture is the ONE THING that America has not forgotten
how to do well. An ignorant practice such as that can jeopardize it quite
quickly, I am writing my senators and congressman about this one.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
...
can we say: cane toads? i mean, seriously: SCALE?!!




Congressional Quarterly Homeland Security

September 12, 2008 Friday

753 words


DHS Ready to Test Cane-Eating Bugs in Effort to Reduce Cover for
Illegal Crossings

By Rob Margetta, CQ Staff


The Department of Homeland Security is about ready to see how three
new agents do at the border: a primitive, non-stinging wasp, a fly and
another herbivorous insect called a scale.

For almost two years, DHS's Science and Technology Directorate has
been working with the Department of Agriculture to research whether
the bugs -- all native to Spain -- could be deployed as a safe, cost-
efficient way to eradicate much of the Carrizo cane that grows along
the Rio Grande.

That theory is going to be put to the test soon, although no release
date has been announced.

The plant covers 10,000 acres along the river in patches so dense that
illegal immigrants use it as cover for border crossings. The cane
situation is serious enough that it has come up in nearly a half-dozen
congressional border security hearings in 2008 alone.

When S&T began its work on the program, the use of the insects was
considered "high risk, high reward" -- as in, if it worked, the
benefits would be great, but success was less than a sure thing. Now,
S&T program manager Mark Kaczmarek said those odds are looking better.

"Since we have not fielded this stuff yet, we cannot say how effective
it will be," he said. But, he added, "We've tested them to make sure
that they don't feed on native species."

And that concern was one of the primary obstacles in deploying the
insects. Genetic tests say the cane itself most likely came from the
region near Barcelona, and was brought to the lower Rio Grande valley
by settlers hundreds of years ago.

"It was a building material," used for basket-weaving and thatching by
settlers, Kaczmarek said.

But the cane grew unchecked thanks to favorable growing conditions
along the river and a complete lack of North American animals that
feed on it.

"It's a wild weed, essentially," Kaczmarek said. "It grows real tall
and real dense."

In fact, it can reach anywhere from three to 10 meters and grow up to
seven inches a week, much taller and denser than when it is kept in
check by herbivores in its natural environment. Chop it down,
Kaczmarek said, and six months later it's over your head again.

"I'm told that if you're standing on the edge of it with someone and
you walk in, within five feet, you can no longer see the individual,"
he said.

So far, solutions to thin out the stands of cane have involved cutting
it down and deploying herbicides, although government agencies have
been reluctant to use the latter because of environmental concerns.

Limited Release

Kaczmarek said the insects present a much cheaper and more
environmentally friendly alternative.

The Arundo wasp lays eggs in the cane stalks, and its larvae feed on
the plants' interiors. The Arundo fly does the same thing to new
shoots of cane, and the Arundo scale feeds on rhizomes, or underground
stems, that the cane uses to reproduce and spread.

"The three of them have different effects on how they feed on the
cane," Kaczmarek said. "In a native population, this has a cumulative
effect."

He warned that eliminating the cane isn't realistic, and said the
insect solution would hopefully control the problem so that plant
species native to the Rio Grande could return.

Not everyone is thrilled with the idea, though. Border officials have
told Congress that some landowners expressed a preference for the use
of herbicides that won't harm the river.

Kaczmarek said homeland security wasn't the government's initial
concern about the cane. For years, the USDA has been looking for a
solution because the cane stands suck up water that could go to native
species or irrigation. With their shallow root systems, the stands
also cause soil erosion and damage the low-flow areas where fish
spawn. When DHS saw ancillary concerns, it used S&T to "accelerate"
the bug program, Kaczmarek said.

"The hope is it will allow a natural riverbank to form again," he
said.

Currently, USDA is going through regulatory process for field testing.
Canada, the United States and Mexico all have to agree that they have
no environmental concerns before the program can go forward.

Meanwhile, researchers are preparing for a limited release as a test
of the insects: one square mile of cane-infested land that would be
monitored carefully.

Kaczmarek said after that testing phase, S&T's involvement in the
program would end. The decision on a larger deployment -- most likely
the release of insects bred in captivity -- would be USDA's.

Rob Margetta can be reached at .





--j_a



  #4   Report Post  
Old 16-09-2008, 04:09 PM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Jul 2006
Posts: 261
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

kudzu, hydrilla, cats....

i can just see a DHS truck used to haul away dead cane redeployed to,
say, IOWA, with some critters still inside it, and there goes half the
damn corn crop. i am just flabbergasted over this one. =0



--j_a



On Sep 16, 5:55*am, "Ray B" wrote:
That is one of the most absurd things I've ever read.

Intentionally releasing non-native species in the environment - WITHOUT ANY
IDEA TO WHAT EXTENT THEY WILL PROLIFERATE.

I have an idea - we have a problem with illegal aliens with no jobs, right?
Hand them a machete and send them to work!

No kidding. * Agriculture is the ONE THING that America has not forgotten
how to do well. *An ignorant practice such as that can jeopardize it quite
quickly, *I am writing my senators and congressman about this one.

--

  #5   Report Post  
Old 17-09-2008, 01:03 AM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Jul 2008
Posts: 198
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

I emailed both of my senators on this one today....

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
...
kudzu, hydrilla, cats....

i can just see a DHS truck used to haul away dead cane redeployed to,
say, IOWA, with some critters still inside it, and there goes half the
damn corn crop. i am just flabbergasted over this one. =0



--j_a



On Sep 16, 5:55 am, "Ray B" wrote:
That is one of the most absurd things I've ever read.

Intentionally releasing non-native species in the environment - WITHOUT
ANY
IDEA TO WHAT EXTENT THEY WILL PROLIFERATE.

I have an idea - we have a problem with illegal aliens with no jobs,
right?
Hand them a machete and send them to work!

No kidding. Agriculture is the ONE THING that America has not forgotten
how to do well. An ignorant practice such as that can jeopardize it quite
quickly, I am writing my senators and congressman about this one.

--





  #6   Report Post  
Old 17-09-2008, 01:32 AM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Nov 2007
Posts: 42
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

yes
  #7   Report Post  
Old 17-09-2008, 05:52 PM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Jul 2006
Posts: 261
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

On Sep 16, 8:03*pm, "Ray B" wrote:
I emailed both of my senators on this one today....



i emailed mine yesterday. MD has a lot of agro; hopefully this will
make them go "hmmm..."

--j_a

  #8   Report Post  
Old 17-09-2008, 07:20 PM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Aug 2006
Posts: 97
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

This is the same bunch who want to fence of natural areas which will
limit access to water by endangered cats such as Panthers, ocelots,
endangered wolves etc. etc. So yes they HAVE lost their minds, no I
don't think our congress critters will do anything and yes I am
totally cheesed off over this.

Bunch of knee jerk morons have proven WE lost and the Terrorists have
won, by making us stop being US.

stepping of my soap box now...


Dave
  #9   Report Post  
Old 17-09-2008, 09:08 PM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,344
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

I emailed mine today, like that'll help...

K Barrett

wrote in message
...
On Sep 16, 8:03 pm, "Ray B" wrote:
I emailed both of my senators on this one today....



i emailed mine yesterday. MD has a lot of agro; hopefully this will
make them go "hmmm..."

--j_a


  #10   Report Post  
Old 18-09-2008, 12:40 AM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by GardenBanter: Jul 2008
Posts: 198
Default barely on topic: have they lost their minds?!

You wanna borrow mine?

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"Dave Fouchey" wrote in message
...
This is the same bunch who want to fence of natural areas which will
limit access to water by endangered cats such as Panthers, ocelots,
endangered wolves etc. etc. So yes they HAVE lost their minds, no I
don't think our congress critters will do anything and yes I am
totally cheesed off over this.

Bunch of knee jerk morons have proven WE lost and the Terrorists have
won, by making us stop being US.

stepping of my soap box now...


Dave



Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Barely On Topic. aquachimp United Kingdom 23 25-10-2009 10:09 AM
Variegated leaves have lost their pattern! Peter Jason Gardening 7 04-01-2005 05:43 AM
"'Minds' of plants" Mike Plant Science 0 08-07-2003 04:22 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 GardenBanter.co.uk.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Gardening"

 

Copyright © 2017