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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
I've an odd question, but someone must know the answer. I've been
taking a course on chinese ink brush painting, and it covers how to paint bamboo, plum blossoms, orchids, and chrysanthemums. I'm interested in finding out just what kind of orchid this is. It's described as a grass orchid or a marsh orchid, is probably terrestrial since there are never any aerial roots. The leaves are grassy. There seem to be one to several blossoms per bud stalk, with the stalks having some kind of nodes on them and the blossoms hanging from a short stem from these stalks. The flower has something that the book refers to as stamens, but which are probably some kind of hair-like things. Its center is drawn as a petal with a curved line coming from one end and going perhaps 2/3 of the way to the other end. The closest thing I've found is a calopogon of some sort, but they don't appear to come from china. Pleiones and cymbidiums come from china but they don't seem to fit the description. Any ideas? Janet Price |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
Hi Janet
You might try looking at the Chinese ground orchid (Bletilla sp.), such as B. striata. The vegetative growth on Bletilla looks alot like grass. You might visit http://www.thimblefarms.com/ , as they carry it, and their site has some information about it. But just doing a google search on either bletilla or "chinese ground orchid" will get you lots of information. Cheers, Ted |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
Most likely they are cymbidiums, of the species sinense, ensifolium, kanran
or the like. I have photos of several he http://www.firstrays.com/photos_C.htm -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Janet Price" wrote in message ... I've an odd question, but someone must know the answer. I've been taking a course on chinese ink brush painting, and it covers how to paint bamboo, plum blossoms, orchids, and chrysanthemums. I'm interested in finding out just what kind of orchid this is. It's described as a grass orchid or a marsh orchid, is probably terrestrial since there are never any aerial roots. The leaves are grassy. There seem to be one to several blossoms per bud stalk, with the stalks having some kind of nodes on them and the blossoms hanging from a short stem from these stalks. The flower has something that the book refers to as stamens, but which are probably some kind of hair-like things. Its center is drawn as a petal with a curved line coming from one end and going perhaps 2/3 of the way to the other end. The closest thing I've found is a calopogon of some sort, but they don't appear to come from china. Pleiones and cymbidiums come from china but they don't seem to fit the description. Any ideas? Janet Price |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
Janet,
Could the orchids be Chinese cymbidiums? These are the only orchids I can momentarily think of that have grassy leaves and are valued for their leaves as well as their flowers when it comes to judging. What is the name of your book? .. . . Pam Everything Orchid Management System http://www.pe.net/~profpam/page3.html ---------------------------------------------------- Janet Price wrote: I've an odd question, but someone must know the answer. I've been taking a course on chinese ink brush painting, and it covers how to paint bamboo, plum blossoms, orchids, and chrysanthemums. I'm interested in finding out just what kind of orchid this is. It's described as a grass orchid or a marsh orchid, is probably terrestrial since there are never any aerial roots. The leaves are grassy. There seem to be one to several blossoms per bud stalk, with the stalks having some kind of nodes on them and the blossoms hanging from a short stem from these stalks. The flower has something that the book refers to as stamens, but which are probably some kind of hair-like things. Its center is drawn as a petal with a curved line coming from one end and going perhaps 2/3 of the way to the other end. The closest thing I've found is a calopogon of some sort, but they don't appear to come from china. Pleiones and cymbidiums come from china but they don't seem to fit the description. Any ideas? Janet Price |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
Janet,
They are Cymbidiums. I don't have my books on Chinese brush painting here with me (I like the paintings, but I have no artistic skills), but the ones that I have also give an indication on the time of flowering AND based on that we would be talking about Cymbidium goeringii when they say winter/spring and Cymbidium ensifolium when they talk about summer. In my book Cym. goeringii is described, if memory serves me correct, I feel Cymbidium kanran & sinense are too "large" when compared to the brush paintings that I have seen and bought when in China. Of course "our" latin names don't hold up much in China they al refer to them as "lan hua", so actually you should be looking at what is refered to as: Section Lan (1 or rarely 2 flowers per inflorescence and more fragrant): Cymb. goeringii Section Hui (5-7 flowers but less fragrant), and within this section the small flowered ones and among those I think this should be an almost complete list: Cymb. lianpan, longibracteatum, ensifolium, nanulum, cyperifolium kind regards, Kenneth Bruyninckx Akerne Orchids, Belgium http://www.akerne-orchids.com On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:31:45 -0500, Janet Price wrote: I've an odd question, but someone must know the answer. I've been taking a course on chinese ink brush painting, and it covers how to paint bamboo, plum blossoms, orchids, and chrysanthemums. I'm interested in finding out just what kind of orchid this is. It's described as a grass orchid or a marsh orchid, is probably terrestrial since there are never any aerial roots. The leaves are grassy. There seem to be one to several blossoms per bud stalk, with the stalks having some kind of nodes on them and the blossoms hanging from a short stem from these stalks. The flower has something that the book refers to as stamens, but which are probably some kind of hair-like things. Its center is drawn as a petal with a curved line coming from one end and going perhaps 2/3 of the way to the other end. The closest thing I've found is a calopogon of some sort, but they don't appear to come from china. Pleiones and cymbidiums come from china but they don't seem to fit the description. Any ideas? Janet Price |
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Janet Price wrote in message ...
I've an odd question, but someone must know the answer. I've been taking a course on chinese ink brush painting, and it covers how to paint bamboo, plum blossoms, orchids, and chrysanthemums. I'm interested in finding out just what kind of orchid this is. It's described as a grass orchid or a marsh orchid, is probably terrestrial since there are never any aerial roots. The leaves are grassy. There seem to be one to several blossoms per bud stalk, with the stalks having some kind of nodes on them and the blossoms hanging from a short stem from these stalks. The flower has something that the book refers to as stamens, but which are probably some kind of hair-like things. Its center is drawn as a petal with a curved line coming from one end and going perhaps 2/3 of the way to the other end. The closest thing I've found is a calopogon of some sort, but they don't appear to come from china. Pleiones and cymbidiums come from china but they don't seem to fit the description. Take a look at -The Mustard Seed Garden Manual of Painting-- for how the Chinese dealt with orchids. Usually the plants were cymbidiums, but any orchid could be used. The MSGMP has wonderful illustrations, but I've been told that the English text is a poor translation of the Chinese original. J. Del Col |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
This is the book my instructor showed us, and I've read elsewhere that
it's a bad translation. But if the orchid is a cym. what are the hair-like things? And someone brought in another book that referred to the calyx. And what is the "heart" of the orchid? Is this the column and the lip? I like to understand what I'm trying to represent. Thanks everyone for all your help. Janet J. Del Col wrote: Janet Price wrote in message ... I've an odd question, but someone must know the answer. I've been taking a course on chinese ink brush painting, and it covers how to paint bamboo, plum blossoms, orchids, and chrysanthemums. I'm interested in finding out just what kind of orchid this is. It's described as a grass orchid or a marsh orchid, is probably terrestrial since there are never any aerial roots. The leaves are grassy. There seem to be one to several blossoms per bud stalk, with the stalks having some kind of nodes on them and the blossoms hanging from a short stem from these stalks. The flower has something that the book refers to as stamens, but which are probably some kind of hair-like things. Its center is drawn as a petal with a curved line coming from one end and going perhaps 2/3 of the way to the other end. The closest thing I've found is a calopogon of some sort, but they don't appear to come from china. Pleiones and cymbidiums come from china but they don't seem to fit the description. Take a look at -The Mustard Seed Garden Manual of Painting-- for how the Chinese dealt with orchids. Usually the plants were cymbidiums, but any orchid could be used. The MSGMP has wonderful illustrations, but I've been told that the English text is a poor translation of the Chinese original. J. Del Col -- Janet Price Curricular Computing Specialist x5141 |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
Janet,
Don't have my books on the subject at hand right now, but maybe you should have a look at Prof. I-Hsiung Ju's site ( http://www.ihsiungju.addr.com/index.html ), I bought his book recently and to me it seems good. That is where I got my idea of the grass orchid being Cymb. goeringii and the marsh orchid being more something like Cymb. ensifolium (because of indication of flowering period and some explanations of the leaves). I have also seen a reference in there to the "heart" of the orchid, although I do not remember anymore what they meant by that :-) But, your description of "hair-like things" puzzles me... where are they located ? At the base of the plant, on the flower stalk ? kind regards, Kenneth. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:22:51 -0500, Janet Price wrote: This is the book my instructor showed us, and I've read elsewhere that it's a bad translation. But if the orchid is a cym. what are the hair-like things? And someone brought in another book that referred to the calyx. And what is the "heart" of the orchid? Is this the column and the lip? I like to understand what I'm trying to represent. Thanks everyone for all your help. Janet |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
Sometimes old leaves do leave a fibrous remnant at the point of
removal...could they the be hair-like things? -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Kenneth Bruyninckx" wrote in message s.com... Janet, Don't have my books on the subject at hand right now, but maybe you should have a look at Prof. I-Hsiung Ju's site ( http://www.ihsiungju.addr.com/index.html ), I bought his book recently and to me it seems good. That is where I got my idea of the grass orchid being Cymb. goeringii and the marsh orchid being more something like Cymb. ensifolium (because of indication of flowering period and some explanations of the leaves). I have also seen a reference in there to the "heart" of the orchid, although I do not remember anymore what they meant by that :-) But, your description of "hair-like things" puzzles me... where are they located ? At the base of the plant, on the flower stalk ? kind regards, Kenneth. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:22:51 -0500, Janet Price wrote: This is the book my instructor showed us, and I've read elsewhere that it's a bad translation. But if the orchid is a cym. what are the hair-like things? And someone brought in another book that referred to the calyx. And what is the "heart" of the orchid? Is this the column and the lip? I like to understand what I'm trying to represent. Thanks everyone for all your help. Janet |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:39:00 -0500, "Ray"
wrote: Sometimes old leaves do leave a fibrous remnant at the point of removal...could they the be hair-like things? Could well be, I have never looked at my scrolls that close lately but I cannot remember that "feature" in the paintings I bought. Anyway, just found "The book of Orchid" by I-Hsiung Ju agian, it was actually lying close to me in a huge pile of other orchidbooks. In there I-Hsiung Ju mentions 3 types of orchids: - Ts'ao-Lan (spring orchid) - strongest fragrance, only 1 or 2 flowers, Cymb. goeringii for sure ! - Huei-Lan (marsh orchid) -long leaves, many flowers, fragrance of the spring and flowers in the sun are like a white jade pagoda...hmmm a white Cymb. ensifolium ? - Min-Lan (Fukien orchid) - leaves broad and supple coming from Fukien (Fujian) province, and if course there are several species of Cymbidium growing in that province :-) Btw, the heart is the stamen of the flower and placed most often at the bottom of the flower. kind regards, Kenneth. http://www.akerne-orchids.com |
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orchid in chinese ink brush painting
Kenneth and all,
Thanks again for your info. I'd sort of concluded that the "heart" was somehow the column and lip combination. The other feature, that was described to me as stamens, shows up as darker smudges just to the side of the center. Janet Price |
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