OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
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Subject: D. kingianum
From: tbell
Date: Sat, Nov 22, 2003 5:28 PM
Message-id:

OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
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No need to repot until after flowering.
No need to remove keikis until after flowering, and leaving them on will
increase the number of flowers.
The buds on the keikis are most likely flower buds, as new growth usually does
not start until after flowering.
After flowering remove all keikis, and pot up the plant and do not disturb the
roots any more than necessary-assuming the plant is now filling the pot and
will need room for new growth.

Wilford Neptune

Thanks very much. I appreciated your earlier essay on culture, and this
advice will help me deal with more specific and immediate questions.
I will repot after flowering, because the plant will certainly need more
room. How big do they get?
Is there a reason to remove the keikis other than for propagation?
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
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From: (WNeptune)
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: 22 Nov 2003 23:33:11 GMT
Subject: D. kingianum

Subject: D. kingianum
From: tbell
Date: Sat, Nov 22, 2003 5:28 PM
Message-id:

OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)


No need to repot until after flowering.
No need to remove keikis until after flowering, and leaving them on will
increase the number of flowers.
The buds on the keikis are most likely flower buds, as new growth usually does
not start until after flowering.
After flowering remove all keikis, and pot up the plant and do not disturb the
roots any more than necessary-assuming the plant is now filling the pot and
will need room for new growth.

Wilford Neptune

What are keikis? Is there a picture somewhere of them?

Shell
(still in the learning stages)


"tbell" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much. I appreciated your earlier essay on culture, and
this
advice will help me deal with more specific and immediate questions.
I will repot after flowering, because the plant will certainly need
more
room. How big do they get?
Is there a reason to remove the keikis other than for propagation?
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

From: (WNeptune)
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: 22 Nov 2003 23:33:11 GMT
Subject: D. kingianum

Subject: D. kingianum
From: tbell
Date: Sat, Nov 22, 2003 5:28 PM
Message-id:

OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark
mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or
all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)


No need to repot until after flowering.
No need to remove keikis until after flowering, and leaving them on will
increase the number of flowers.
The buds on the keikis are most likely flower buds, as new growth
usually does
not start until after flowering.
After flowering remove all keikis, and pot up the plant and do not
disturb the
roots any more than necessary-assuming the plant is now filling the pot
and
will need room for new growth.

Wilford Neptune

Don't feel bad, Shell. We're all still in the learning stages, and I'm
just a rung or two above you on a very tall ladder. "Keiki" is the Hawaiian
word for baby, and a keiki is an outgrowth from a main growth on an orchid
plant, with at least a few obvious roots at the base of the outgrowth.
Depending on who you read, they can be snapped off the main growth when they
have a certain number or length of roots, and planted just like a seedling.
I don't have a photo of one at the moment, but I have planted one from a
Dendrobium and had it grow to maturity and flower within a year.
My main concern about mine is that there are so many keikis. Sometimes
when a plant flowers profusely or grows a lot of keikis, it is telling you
that it's not healthy.
I'd welcome any additions or corrections from someone more
knowledgeable.
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
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From: "Shell91"
Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:13:27 GMT
Subject: D. kingianum

What are keikis? Is there a picture somewhere of them?

Shell
(still in the learning stages)


"tbell" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much. I appreciated your earlier essay on culture, and
this
advice will help me deal with more specific and immediate questions.
I will repot after flowering, because the plant will certainly need
more
room. How big do they get?
Is there a reason to remove the keikis other than for propagation?
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

From: (WNeptune)
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: 22 Nov 2003 23:33:11 GMT
Subject: D. kingianum

Subject: D. kingianum
From: tbell
Date: Sat, Nov 22, 2003 5:28 PM
Message-id:

OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark
mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or
all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)


No need to repot until after flowering.
No need to remove keikis until after flowering, and leaving them on will
increase the number of flowers.
The buds on the keikis are most likely flower buds, as new growth
usually does
not start until after flowering.
After flowering remove all keikis, and pot up the plant and do not
disturb the
roots any more than necessary-assuming the plant is now filling the pot
and
will need room for new growth.

Wilford Neptune

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:41:52 -0800, tbell
wrote in Message-Id: :

How big do they get?

There's a specimen at Santa Barbara Orchid Estate that is about a 5'
diameter sphere. It is very fragrant when covered in flowers.
Lovely.

To answer your question about size. They can become huge. I've seen D.
Kingianums in pots more then 40cm wide and that is nothing compared to what
they can get. You don't have to remove the keiki's, why not just leave them
on? they will keep on growing and eventualy you can pull them off as nice
sized plants.
About repotting. I've been told they like a cramped pot. They don't like too
much room. Also they make keiki's easely and these keiki's can flower on
their own if they have enough roots. Mine did in februari and are making new
flower spikes now.
In good conditions these plants can double in size every year.

Cheers
Peter

"tbell" schreef in bericht
...
Thanks very much. I appreciated your earlier essay on culture, and
this
advice will help me deal with more specific and immediate questions.
I will repot after flowering, because the plant will certainly need
more
room. How big do they get?
Is there a reason to remove the keikis other than for propagation?
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

From: (WNeptune)
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: 22 Nov 2003 23:33:11 GMT
Subject: D. kingianum

Subject: D. kingianum
From: tbell
Date: Sat, Nov 22, 2003 5:28 PM
Message-id:

OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark
mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or
all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)


No need to repot until after flowering.
No need to remove keikis until after flowering, and leaving them on will
increase the number of flowers.
The buds on the keikis are most likely flower buds, as new growth
usually does
not start until after flowering.
After flowering remove all keikis, and pot up the plant and do not
disturb the
roots any more than necessary-assuming the plant is now filling the pot
and
will need room for new growth.

Wilford Neptune

Ok...my turn for the questions....Is D. Kingianum different from just
"Kingianum"? I got a small plant from Oak Hill at our show in Oct. and its
just marked "Kingianum". It looks rather like a Phal to me.....so far its
doing good, hence my question as I kill Dends dead within a week or so....

--

Hugs,
Molli


"tbell" wrote in message
...
OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is
the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:18:02 -0700, "molli"
wrote:

Ok...my turn for the questions....Is D. Kingianum different from just
"Kingianum"? I got a small plant from Oak Hill at our show in Oct. and its
just marked "Kingianum". It looks rather like a Phal to me.....so far its
doing good, hence my question as I kill Dends dead within a week or so....


K I N G I D I U M is probably what you have.
http://www.orchidspecies.com/kingidium.htm

SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

Subject: D. kingianum
From: tbell
Date: Sat, Nov 22, 2003 9:17 PM
Message-id:

Don't feel bad, Shell. We're all still in the learning stages, and I'm
just a rung or two above you on a very tall ladder. "Keiki" is the Hawaiian
word for baby, and a keiki is an outgrowth from a main growth on an orchid
plant, with at least a few obvious roots at the base of the outgrowth.
Depending on who you read, they can be snapped off the main growth when they
have a certain number or length of roots, and planted just like a seedling.
I don't have a photo of one at the moment, but I have planted one from a
Dendrobium and had it grow to maturity and flower within a year.
My main concern about mine is that there are so many keikis. Sometimes
when a plant flowers profusely or grows a lot of keikis, it is telling you
that it's not healthy.
I'd welcome any additions or corrections from someone more
knowledgeable.
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

From: "Shell91"
Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:13:27 GMT
Subject: D. kingianum

What are keikis? Is there a picture somewhere of them?

Shell
(still in the learning stages)


"tbell" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much. I appreciated your earlier essay on culture, and
this
advice will help me deal with more specific and immediate questions.
I will repot after flowering, because the plant will certainly need
more
room. How big do they get?
Is there a reason to remove the keikis other than for propagation?
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

From: (WNeptune)
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: 22 Nov 2003 23:33:11 GMT
Subject: D. kingianum

Subject: D. kingianum
From: tbell
Date: Sat, Nov 22, 2003 5:28 PM
Message-id:

OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark
mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or
all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)


No need to repot until after flowering.
No need to remove keikis until after flowering, and leaving them on will
increase the number of flowers.
The buds on the keikis are most likely flower buds, as new growth
usually does
not start until after flowering.
After flowering remove all keikis, and pot up the plant and do not
disturb the
roots any more than necessary-assuming the plant is now filling the pot
and
will need room for new growth.

Wilford Neptune

All dendrobes will make keikis, but the production in kingianums is genetic,
and has little or nothing to do with culture. If one grows a number of
different clones, one observes that with identical culture some will
consistently produce multipls keikis and others will do this only rarely-and
this can not be changed regardless of the culture. (I have a standing offer for
anyone to show me how to increase the production on certain outstanding clones
I would like to propagae by keikis).
I believe that all keikis should be removed after blooming, especially on those
plants which produce a large number, because otherwise the keikis have keikis,
etc. and eventually one ends up with an unsightly weed patch.
Most keikis, from kingianums, can be removed after blooming, and planted, and
will develope new growth, perhaps make a new keiki either on the new growth or
the planted keiki, and some or all will usually flower the coming season. This
is not true for all: Some, such as those from the clone 'Karl Marx' usually are
small, and are better left on the plant for an additional year, and still need
2-3 more years to flower, behaving like seedlings out of flask.

Wilford Neptune

Hi Guys, Am new here. D.kingianum is a native Australian as you all know.
They do produce lots of keikis each year when looked after well. Let the
roots grow to about 1.1/2" long then twist/cut the keiki off & you have a
new plant. The parent will continue flowering & the keiki will take about 2
yearsto flower. Yes they do like to be crammed in a pot & you will find that
as they outgrow the pot the flowers will become more intense until they
actually over-run the pot & need re-potting. Have fun
Ted
"tbell" wrote in message
...
OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is
the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

Hi Guys, Am new here. D.kingianum is a native Australian as you all know.
They do produce lots of keikis each year when looked after well. Let the
roots grow to about 1.1/2" long then twist/cut the keiki off & you have a
new plant. The parent will continue flowering & the keiki will take about 2
yearsto flower. Yes they do like to be crammed in a pot & you will find that
as they outgrow the pot the flowers will become more intense until they
actually over-run the pot & need re-potting. Have fun
Ted
"tbell" wrote in message
...
OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is
the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

Thanks Sue, that is indeed what I have and I"ve stuck a new label over the
smudged unreadable one. Now fair warning for you all..I have LOTS of things
in spike, so you will probably be inundated with pictures soon on Abpo.
(your yellow bird is in spike too Sue!!!)

--

Hugs,
Molli


"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:18:02 -0700, "molli"
wrote:

Ok...my turn for the questions....Is D. Kingianum different from just
"Kingianum"? I got a small plant from Oak Hill at our show in Oct. and
its
just marked "Kingianum". It looks rather like a Phal to me.....so far
its
doing good, hence my question as I kill Dends dead within a week or
so....


K I N G I D I U M is probably what you have.
http://www.orchidspecies.com/kingidium.htm

SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

Thanks, Edward. The only problem is a vision I have of half the
greenhouse given over to nurturing keikis!
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
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From: "EDWARD HANSON"
Organization: Planet Netcom
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:19:38 +1100
Subject: D. kingianum

Hi Guys, Am new here. D.kingianum is a native Australian as you all know.
They do produce lots of keikis each year when looked after well. Let the
roots grow to about 1.1/2" long then twist/cut the keiki off & you have a
new plant. The parent will continue flowering & the keiki will take about 2
yearsto flower. Yes they do like to be crammed in a pot & you will find that
as they outgrow the pot the flowers will become more intense until they
actually over-run the pot & need re-potting. Have fun
Ted
"tbell" wrote in message
...
OK, just to fill the vacuum, here's a new one: My D. kingianum is
crammed very tightly in a 1 gal plastic pot, where it's been in a bark mix
for about 18 months. The majority of the new growth consists of very
vigorous keikis, many with the buds of further growth on them.
Questions: 1) Should the plant be re-potted into a larger pot? 2) Is
the
new growth from the keikis likely to bloom, or should I remove some or all
of them?

Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
(To reply by e-mail, remove APPENDIX)

Sounds good, Molli. Bring 'em on!
Tom
Walnut Creek, CA, USA
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From: "molli"
Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:09:01 -0700
Subject: D. kingianum

Thanks Sue, that is indeed what I have and I"ve stuck a new label over the
smudged unreadable one. Now fair warning for you all..I have LOTS of things
in spike, so you will probably be inundated with pictures soon on Abpo.
(your yellow bird is in spike too Sue!!!)

--

Hugs,
Molli


"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:18:02 -0700, "molli"
wrote:

Ok...my turn for the questions....Is D. Kingianum different from just
"Kingianum"? I got a small plant from Oak Hill at our show in Oct. and
its
just marked "Kingianum". It looks rather like a Phal to me.....so far
its
doing good, hence my question as I kill Dends dead within a week or
so....


K I N G I D I U M is probably what you have.
http://www.orchidspecies.com/kingidium.htm

SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php