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Right on Rob, I love your "Random ramblings" & "Rob's rules"!
You say it's your last day of work, are you going on vacation or are you retiring? Also what is the name of the Phrag that was given 80 points? -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Rob Halgren wrote: Gene Schurg wrote: My point of this thread is that I would expect that a plant awarded an FCC from the RHS (or other group) should also score very high by other organizations. At least that is what I thought until this discussion. I find it interesting that a search of your files only yielded a short list of plants with FCCs from both organizations. It appears that a plant with an FCC from AOS may not get equal consideration by the RHS and vice versa. Hmmm. Ok, I'll give my personal opinion as a probationary AOS judge here. They can kick me out if I'm wrong... *grin* In my opinion, it is not worthwhile to give a plant the same quality award from the AOS and the RHS simultaneously. The purpose of the award system is to acknowledge superior plants for purposes of advancing the horticultural desirability of orchids. In other words, plants with awards are more desirable than plants without awards, and the award designation helps the public select better plants, and helps the breeder select better crosses. Probably most importantly, although it shouldn't be, it is a system for financially rewarding the grower of the awarded plant. What does all that mean? It means as a breeder and plantsman, I know that Paph. Winston Churchill 'Redoubtable' FCC/RHS is a damn fine specimen of paphly beauty. I don't even need to see the picture, and pictures lie anyway. I can purchase this plant and be assured that it is of high quality. I can breed with this plant and presume that the progeny will have a higher probability of being 'successful' than if I use the Winston Churchill "Joe Schmoe" clone that I picked up off the raffle table (although "Indomitable" is a more successful parent, if I recall correctly). Does it supercede my own aesthetic reasoning? It shouldn't. If my "Joe Schmoe" clone is nicer in some respect (color, shape, etc) than some FCC or AM plant, then it is my choice to use it, I just can't be assured that the plant buying public will be as apt to purchase my cross. Their loss, and mine, if I'm a commercial grower. Anyway, an FCC/RHS or an FCC/AOS is pretty much the same in my book. The plants would be equally valuable. I don't see much point in giving an AOS award to an RHS awarded plant. It just makes the exhibitor pay another 35 dollars. It is quite another thing to promote an AM/RHS to an FCC/AOS (or vice versa, I suppose). That is a higher ranked award, and makes the plant correspondingly more valuable. I am in favor of promoting awards when that is merited. We just did that on a Phrag a few weeks ago (78pt HCC/AOS promoted to something well over 80 points AM). Random ramblings on my last day of work... Rob |
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Why wouldn't you want to give the same level AOS award to the plant? That
would put the plant in the AOS judging system, so that it could be used for future comparison when considering other awards for the species/grex. Are the RHS awards looked at by AOS judges when they are scoring a plant? I didn't think that was the case. If someone didn't put XX/RHS on the tag, would you even know it was an RHS awarded plant when you were looking at it on the judging table? If someone brings a plant to a monthly judging session, then your "It would cost them another $35 dollars" argument wouldn't apply at all. If an exhibitor in a show doesn't want to pay $35, they can simply mark their plant "Not for AOS Judging". I know many judges are reluctant to do something like upgrading an 80 point AM/AOS to an 85 point AM/AOS because they don't think there's any point, and I kinda agree with them there. Witholding an award from a plant because it has an award from a judging organization in another country doesn't make any sense at all. -danny "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... Gene Schurg wrote: My point of this thread is that I would expect that a plant awarded an FCC from the RHS (or other group) should also score very high by other organizations. At least that is what I thought until this discussion. I find it interesting that a search of your files only yielded a short list of plants with FCCs from both organizations. It appears that a plant with an FCC from AOS may not get equal consideration by the RHS and vice versa. Hmmm. Ok, I'll give my personal opinion as a probationary AOS judge here. They can kick me out if I'm wrong... *grin* In my opinion, it is not worthwhile to give a plant the same quality award from the AOS and the RHS simultaneously. The purpose of the award system is to acknowledge superior plants for purposes of advancing the horticultural desirability of orchids. In other words, plants with awards are more desirable than plants without awards, and the award designation helps the public select better plants, and helps the breeder select better crosses. Probably most importantly, although it shouldn't be, it is a system for financially rewarding the grower of the awarded plant. What does all that mean? It means as a breeder and plantsman, I know that Paph. Winston Churchill 'Redoubtable' FCC/RHS is a damn fine specimen of paphly beauty. I don't even need to see the picture, and pictures lie anyway. I can purchase this plant and be assured that it is of high quality. I can breed with this plant and presume that the progeny will have a higher probability of being 'successful' than if I use the Winston Churchill "Joe Schmoe" clone that I picked up off the raffle table (although "Indomitable" is a more successful parent, if I recall correctly). Does it supercede my own aesthetic reasoning? It shouldn't. If my "Joe Schmoe" clone is nicer in some respect (color, shape, etc) than some FCC or AM plant, then it is my choice to use it, I just can't be assured that the plant buying public will be as apt to purchase my cross. Their loss, and mine, if I'm a commercial grower. Anyway, an FCC/RHS or an FCC/AOS is pretty much the same in my book. The plants would be equally valuable. I don't see much point in giving an AOS award to an RHS awarded plant. It just makes the exhibitor pay another 35 dollars. It is quite another thing to promote an AM/RHS to an FCC/AOS (or vice versa, I suppose). That is a higher ranked award, and makes the plant correspondingly more valuable. I am in favor of promoting awards when that is merited. We just did that on a Phrag a few weeks ago (78pt HCC/AOS promoted to something well over 80 points AM). Random ramblings on my last day of work... Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:08:29 GMT, "Gene Schurg"
wrote: Pat, I agree with you on the profit potential metrics. It would be great for you to have lots of FCC certificates but it's customer demand that pays the heating bill. I guess I've always been tuned to look for AOS awards as a measure of a plant that has good potential. When I see these other awards from other groups I don't really give them the credit they deserve and maybe I should. Gene "Pat Brennan" wrote in message ... Hi Gene, This is not a case of who is right. Judging is all about metrics. A metric is defined and plants are than compared to this metric and rated. There are really 3 judging points in an AOS judging. First the plant as picked from a table of entries to be looked at closely. Second the judges decide to score or pass on judging this blooming of the plant. Third they each receive a score card on which they write a numeric value for color, size, number of flowers, shape and form of the dorsal, of the petals, of the lip/pouch. The sum of all these individual points is averaged over the team and we have our numeric score. It is the first and second decision points that are often the most difficult to cross. This is where the eye has to be caught and the mind engaged favorably for the plant. Many judges are more influenced by the 'size' of the flower or the different color when they decide to score or not score a plant. When they do score the plants these items have a much smaller influence. As to Metrics - - Other than the RHS requiring a well grown plant under a well grown flower, just by their judging style; I know of none that suggests a lesser requirement for beautiful flowers from one group or another. I would just remember that as someone noted HCC's here sometimes are a dime a dozen. That the judging is one groups (usually 5-7 people) opinion on a specific day of a specific bloom spike. If YOU like it, if YOU think it is as perfect an example of its type, YOU should celebrate it and enjoy. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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Your first step may or may not happen. In the Atlanta center every plant
goes to a judging team for consideration. -danny There are really 3 judging points in an AOS judging. First the plant as picked from a table of entries to be looked at closely. Second the judges decide to score or pass on judging this blooming of the plant. Third they each receive a score card on which they write a numeric value for color, size, number of flowers, shape and form of the dorsal, of the petals, of the lip/pouch. The sum of all these individual points is averaged over the team and we have our numeric score. |
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"danny" wrote in message
... Why wouldn't you want to give the same level AOS award to the plant? That would put the plant in the AOS judging system, so that it could be used for future comparison when considering other awards for the species/grex. For what its worth, danny, I agree with you. Are the RHS awards looked at by AOS judges when they are scoring a plant? No they are not because they are not AOS awards. Nor are HOS or CSA awards taken into account. I didn't think that was the case. If someone didn't put XX/RHS on the tag, would you even know it was an RHS awarded plant when you were looking at it on the judging table? No you would not know it was an RHS awarded plant if you saw it on the judging table. Because the RHS award aren't taken into account. If someone brings a plant to a monthly judging session, then your "It would cost them another $35 dollars" argument wouldn't apply at all. If an exhibitor in a show doesn't want to pay $35, they can simply mark their plant "Not for AOS Judging". I know many judges are reluctant to do something like upgrading an 80 point AM/AOS to an 85 point AM/AOS because they don't think there's any point, and I kinda agree with them there. Witholding an award from a plant because it has an award from a judging organization in another country doesn't make any sense at all. Again, for what its worth, I agree too. But I do see the value in awarding a higher AM. Again it gets the flower's quality into the system. K Barrett "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... Gene Schurg wrote: My point of this thread is that I would expect that a plant awarded an FCC from the RHS (or other group) should also score very high by other organizations. At least that is what I thought until this discussion. I find it interesting that a search of your files only yielded a short list of plants with FCCs from both organizations. It appears that a plant with an FCC from AOS may not get equal consideration by the RHS and vice versa. Hmmm. Ok, I'll give my personal opinion as a probationary AOS judge here. They can kick me out if I'm wrong... *grin* In my opinion, it is not worthwhile to give a plant the same quality award from the AOS and the RHS simultaneously. The purpose of the award system is to acknowledge superior plants for purposes of advancing the horticultural desirability of orchids. In other words, plants with awards are more desirable than plants without awards, and the award designation helps the public select better plants, and helps the breeder select better crosses. Probably most importantly, although it shouldn't be, it is a system for financially rewarding the grower of the awarded plant. What does all that mean? It means as a breeder and plantsman, I know that Paph. Winston Churchill 'Redoubtable' FCC/RHS is a damn fine specimen of paphly beauty. I don't even need to see the picture, and pictures lie anyway. I can purchase this plant and be assured that it is of high quality. I can breed with this plant and presume that the progeny will have a higher probability of being 'successful' than if I use the Winston Churchill "Joe Schmoe" clone that I picked up off the raffle table (although "Indomitable" is a more successful parent, if I recall correctly). Does it supercede my own aesthetic reasoning? It shouldn't. If my "Joe Schmoe" clone is nicer in some respect (color, shape, etc) than some FCC or AM plant, then it is my choice to use it, I just can't be assured that the plant buying public will be as apt to purchase my cross. Their loss, and mine, if I'm a commercial grower. Anyway, an FCC/RHS or an FCC/AOS is pretty much the same in my book. The plants would be equally valuable. I don't see much point in giving an AOS award to an RHS awarded plant. It just makes the exhibitor pay another 35 dollars. It is quite another thing to promote an AM/RHS to an FCC/AOS (or vice versa, I suppose). That is a higher ranked award, and makes the plant correspondingly more valuable. I am in favor of promoting awards when that is merited. We just did that on a Phrag a few weeks ago (78pt HCC/AOS promoted to something well over 80 points AM). Random ramblings on my last day of work... Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
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"danny" wrote in message
... Why wouldn't you want to give the same level AOS award to the plant? That would put the plant in the AOS judging system, so that it could be used for future comparison when considering other awards for the species/grex. For what its worth, danny, I agree with you. Are the RHS awards looked at by AOS judges when they are scoring a plant? No they are not because they are not AOS awards. Nor are HOS or CSA awards taken into account. I didn't think that was the case. If someone didn't put XX/RHS on the tag, would you even know it was an RHS awarded plant when you were looking at it on the judging table? No you would not know it was an RHS awarded plant if you saw it on the judging table. Because the RHS award aren't taken into account. If someone brings a plant to a monthly judging session, then your "It would cost them another $35 dollars" argument wouldn't apply at all. If an exhibitor in a show doesn't want to pay $35, they can simply mark their plant "Not for AOS Judging". I know many judges are reluctant to do something like upgrading an 80 point AM/AOS to an 85 point AM/AOS because they don't think there's any point, and I kinda agree with them there. Witholding an award from a plant because it has an award from a judging organization in another country doesn't make any sense at all. Again, for what its worth, I agree too. But I do see the value in awarding a higher AM. Again it gets the flower's quality into the system. K Barrett "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... Gene Schurg wrote: My point of this thread is that I would expect that a plant awarded an FCC from the RHS (or other group) should also score very high by other organizations. At least that is what I thought until this discussion. I find it interesting that a search of your files only yielded a short list of plants with FCCs from both organizations. It appears that a plant with an FCC from AOS may not get equal consideration by the RHS and vice versa. Hmmm. Ok, I'll give my personal opinion as a probationary AOS judge here. They can kick me out if I'm wrong... *grin* In my opinion, it is not worthwhile to give a plant the same quality award from the AOS and the RHS simultaneously. The purpose of the award system is to acknowledge superior plants for purposes of advancing the horticultural desirability of orchids. In other words, plants with awards are more desirable than plants without awards, and the award designation helps the public select better plants, and helps the breeder select better crosses. Probably most importantly, although it shouldn't be, it is a system for financially rewarding the grower of the awarded plant. What does all that mean? It means as a breeder and plantsman, I know that Paph. Winston Churchill 'Redoubtable' FCC/RHS is a damn fine specimen of paphly beauty. I don't even need to see the picture, and pictures lie anyway. I can purchase this plant and be assured that it is of high quality. I can breed with this plant and presume that the progeny will have a higher probability of being 'successful' than if I use the Winston Churchill "Joe Schmoe" clone that I picked up off the raffle table (although "Indomitable" is a more successful parent, if I recall correctly). Does it supercede my own aesthetic reasoning? It shouldn't. If my "Joe Schmoe" clone is nicer in some respect (color, shape, etc) than some FCC or AM plant, then it is my choice to use it, I just can't be assured that the plant buying public will be as apt to purchase my cross. Their loss, and mine, if I'm a commercial grower. Anyway, an FCC/RHS or an FCC/AOS is pretty much the same in my book. The plants would be equally valuable. I don't see much point in giving an AOS award to an RHS awarded plant. It just makes the exhibitor pay another 35 dollars. It is quite another thing to promote an AM/RHS to an FCC/AOS (or vice versa, I suppose). That is a higher ranked award, and makes the plant correspondingly more valuable. I am in favor of promoting awards when that is merited. We just did that on a Phrag a few weeks ago (78pt HCC/AOS promoted to something well over 80 points AM). Random ramblings on my last day of work... Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
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wendy7 wrote:
Right on Rob, I love your "Random ramblings" & "Rob's rules"! You say it's your last day of work, are you going on vacation or are you retiring? I wish I was retiring... Actually I'm quite outspoken. No, I've been offered a different position (still at MSU) at faculty rank, in a different department. It would be stupid not to take it. However, I'm treating myself to a month off in between. Although that will be more like a month of working like a slave around the house (and greenhouse) trying to catch up on 3 years worth of unfinished projects. Also what is the name of the Phrag that was given 80 points? What, I'm supposed to remember names? *grin* I remember what it looked like (pink). I remember the owner (Dot Potter Barnett). I remember that the previous award was last year (78pt HCC/AOS). I remember that we didn't realize it had a previous award (since it hadn't been published yet), and only discovered the HCC after we had given it... oh, 83 points, i think. I remember that the previous award was to one flower and one bud, this award had 9 flowers and multiple buds on a single inflorescence. And for those keeping score at home, it was growing in Ray's Prime Agra semihydroponic medium. Enough to convince me to try it, anyway. All that and I can't remember the name... Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
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danny wrote:
Why wouldn't you want to give the same level AOS award to the plant? That would put the plant in the AOS judging system, so that it could be used for future comparison when considering other awards for the species/grex. Are the RHS awards looked at by AOS judges when they are scoring a plant? I didn't think that was the case. If someone didn't put XX/RHS on the tag, would you even know it was an RHS awarded plant when you were looking at it on the judging table? That is an excellent point, and well taken. And no, we don't look at the RHS awards (we should, and I was just thinking about writing a paper on that topic). However, I don't really believe in putting something into the AOS judging system just to put it on record. I know that many people do, there is an honest difference of opinion there. If somebody didn't put the RHS award on the tag, then it is likely to get an AOS award if it is sufficiently new. Older plants get judged by the current standards, it would be hard to give some of the old FCCs an HCC today. But even if the RHS award is on the tag, it can still get an AOS award, there is no rule against it. All that said, if somebody knows enough about the plant to put the RHS award on the tag, then they know that the plant is valuable. I don't know why an exhibitor would want to add an AOS award to the list. You wouldn't get any more money for selling it or its progeny, at least to the kind of people who would pay extra for that kind of thing. The awards are equally good. That is my opinion, of course, and others feel differently. And as a final point, I definitely think that the AOS should consider looking at RHS awards in the research phase of judging. The systems are similar enough that they can be rationally compared, and the more information the better, in my opinion. I base my score on a representation of the 'ideal flower' for a given type of breeding. Sure would be nice to know what is possible on the other side of the pond, for developing my image of what is possible. If someone brings a plant to a monthly judging session, then your "It would cost them another $35 dollars" argument wouldn't apply at all. If an exhibitor in a show doesn't want to pay $35, they can simply mark their plant "Not for AOS Judging". I know many judges are reluctant to do something like upgrading an 80 point AM/AOS to an 85 point AM/AOS because they don't think there's any point, and I kinda agree with them there. Witholding an award from a plant because it has an award from a judging organization in another country doesn't make any sense at all. I debated mentioning that in the last post... Yes, if a plant is brought specifically for AOS judging, then obviously the owner would like to pay for an award. We see about half our award plants at shows, and you would be surprised at how many people don't put "Not for AOS judging" on their tags. As for withholding an award, I don't think I said we would do that... A plant will be judged on its merits. If a plant has a previous AOS award to the same clone, we know what to compare it to. Is it better than the previous award? How does this improvement compare to the current state of the art? If a plant has an RHS award, we lack the literature to see what it looked like at the time it was awarded. That doesn't prevent us from comparing it to what we think is current. Nothing on the tag precludes a plant from an AOS quality award. Would I pull an awarded plant for judging out of an exhibit at a show? Probably not, unless I know that the bloom is superior to its previous award. It just isn't time efficient (or customary, for that matter) to pull every awarded plant and reevaluate it to see if it is better than the previous award. Nobody has time for that. But if a person brings it to AOS judging, we will look at it. In our region we look at everything that comes to the judging center, rather than nominating plants from the floor. It is certainly complicated... Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
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Gene,
I do not know much about the CSA and HOS awards, sorry. I have seen some pretty weak BM & SM/WOC, but it could be they were just old awards. I have seen plants with awards from orchid societies in Asia and expect it is time to learn about these award systems. As has already been said, AOS and RHS awards measure different things. I think of RHS as sort of AOS award and AOS ribbon judging combined into one. It is a special plant that can carry both awards. As to which award raises the plant value more . . .I could get myself into so much trouble here. I have made my living selling blooming plants for over a decade now and I have found that an award does not really change a plants value. I know this is not true for all orchid businesses, especially those marketing non blooming plants. Before anyone calls me nuts, look at the flask and plug offerings from the major cloning labs, very few of the plants will be carrying awards and those which do have awards carry no premium; look at the orchids for sale in the box stores or other major outlets and try to find a price difference between awarded and nonawarded plants; or even go to an orchid show and try to find a relationship between price and award level of the blooming plants being offered. I disagree with those that say an AOS award is a good measure for selecting plants for ownership or breeding. The system does not consider factors essential for making those measures. Instead I view the judging system as the AOS means for tracking and documenting the current state of orchid flowers. In a recent survey of judges, 23% of the judges said they would not award a plant if an equal plant from the same cross had been awarded a year before. The second plant is just as good as the first with or without the award, AOS has documented the cross with the first award and it is time to move on. The state of orchid flowers moves fairly quickly. In many cases flower quality that was awarded five years ago would not even be considered today. An award without knowing the date of the award is pretty meaningless for assessing the flower quality. A cross is most likely to be at least 4 years old before a plant is mature enough to be awarded. If after the award it is sent to the lab, it is another two years before clone flasks start to be return. Compot, 2.5" pot, 4" pot - at least another 3 years before the clones are blooming, nine years after the cross was first made. Buying awarded clone might not always put the best quality flowers in your collection when seedlings a couple of generations ahead of the clones are also offered. In all of this please do not get me wrong. I am always honored and a bit humbled when granted an AOS award. I addition it is always very cool when a plant you are currently breeding with or have already sent out for cloning is pulled out of an exhibit and granted an award. Pat "Gene Schurg" wrote in message ink.net... Pat, I agree with you on the profit potential metrics. It would be great for you to have lots of FCC certificates but it's customer demand that pays the heating bill. You have to grow plants that people want to display in their homes. Us crazy collectors don't buy enough to pay the bills. Do you feel an FCC from the RHS is equal to an FCC from the AOS? Does one award increase the value of the cross more than the other? I see lots of awards for plants from different groups. Is there a ranking of RHS awards are worth more than CSA, CSA worth more than HOS, etc? I guess I've always been tuned to look for AOS awards as a measure of a plant that has good potential. When I see these other awards from other groups I don't really give them the credit they deserve and maybe I should. Gene |
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Pat,
All good points. Nothing beats seeing a plant in bloom so you can judge for yourself if you like it. No one wants to grow a flower and not enjoy it. I hope all is well out in the valley. Gene "Pat Brennan" wrote in message ... Gene, I do not know much about the CSA and HOS awards, sorry. I have seen some pretty weak BM & SM/WOC, but it could be they were just old awards. I have seen plants with awards from orchid societies in Asia and expect it is time to learn about these award systems. As has already been said, AOS and RHS awards measure different things. I think of RHS as sort of AOS award and AOS ribbon judging combined into one. It is a special plant that can carry both awards. As to which award raises the plant value more . . .I could get myself into so much trouble here. I have made my living selling blooming plants for over a decade now and I have found that an award does not really change a plants value. I know this is not true for all orchid businesses, especially those marketing non blooming plants. Before anyone calls me nuts, look at the flask and plug offerings from the major cloning labs, very few of the plants will be carrying awards and those which do have awards carry no premium; look at the orchids for sale in the box stores or other major outlets and try to find a price difference between awarded and nonawarded plants; or even go to an orchid show and try to find a relationship between price and award level of the blooming plants being offered. I disagree with those that say an AOS award is a good measure for selecting plants for ownership or breeding. The system does not consider factors essential for making those measures. Instead I view the judging system as the AOS means for tracking and documenting the current state of orchid flowers. In a recent survey of judges, 23% of the judges said they would not award a plant if an equal plant from the same cross had been awarded a year before. The second plant is just as good as the first with or without the award, AOS has documented the cross with the first award and it is time to move on. The state of orchid flowers moves fairly quickly. In many cases flower quality that was awarded five years ago would not even be considered today. An award without knowing the date of the award is pretty meaningless for assessing the flower quality. A cross is most likely to be at least 4 years old before a plant is mature enough to be awarded. If after the award it is sent to the lab, it is another two years before clone flasks start to be return. Compot, 2.5" pot, 4" pot - at least another 3 years before the clones are blooming, nine years after the cross was first made. Buying awarded clone might not always put the best quality flowers in your collection when seedlings a couple of generations ahead of the clones are also offered. In all of this please do not get me wrong. I am always honored and a bit humbled when granted an AOS award. I addition it is always very cool when a plant you are currently breeding with or have already sent out for cloning is pulled out of an exhibit and granted an award. Pat "Gene Schurg" wrote in message ink.net... Pat, I agree with you on the profit potential metrics. It would be great for you to have lots of FCC certificates but it's customer demand that pays the heating bill. You have to grow plants that people want to display in their homes. Us crazy collectors don't buy enough to pay the bills. Do you feel an FCC from the RHS is equal to an FCC from the AOS? Does one award increase the value of the cross more than the other? I see lots of awards for plants from different groups. Is there a ranking of RHS awards are worth more than CSA, CSA worth more than HOS, etc? I guess I've always been tuned to look for AOS awards as a measure of a plant that has good potential. When I see these other awards from other groups I don't really give them the credit they deserve and maybe I should. Gene |
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and I have found that an award does not really change a
plants value. Not for clonable plants but for Paphs and Phrags the value definately goes up. Depending on what the plant is newly awarded plants command a big premium. Some whites seem to demand an tremendous premium some well over 2k, while others are usually in the $250-500 range per growth. In time the cost does come down somewhat unless the plant is a good breeder. Prior to cloning most other awarded orchids also commanded premiums but with the advent of the cloning process and production of thousands of identical plants the prices came down to less than $25 for a mature plant and in some cases under $10. |
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and I have found that an award does not really change a
plants value. Not for clonable plants but for Paphs and Phrags the value definately goes up. Depending on what the plant is newly awarded plants command a big premium. Some whites seem to demand an tremendous premium some well over 2k, while others are usually in the $250-500 range per growth. In time the cost does come down somewhat unless the plant is a good breeder. Prior to cloning most other awarded orchids also commanded premiums but with the advent of the cloning process and production of thousands of identical plants the prices came down to less than $25 for a mature plant and in some cases under $10. |
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Yeah...Look at Paph rothchildianum.
An FCC awarded plant is outrageously expensive. Gene "TRAINMAN9" wrote in message ... and I have found that an award does not really change a plants value. Not for clonable plants but for Paphs and Phrags the value definately goes up. Depending on what the plant is newly awarded plants command a big premium. Some whites seem to demand an tremendous premium some well over 2k, while others are usually in the $250-500 range per growth. In time the cost does come down somewhat unless the plant is a good breeder. Prior to cloning most other awarded orchids also commanded premiums but with the advent of the cloning process and production of thousands of identical plants the prices came down to less than $25 for a mature plant and in some cases under $10. |
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Yeah...Look at Paph rothchildianum.
An FCC awarded plant is outrageously expensive. Gene Some of the older clones like Charles E. are more reasonable but the newer ones are still pretty high. I wonder how much "Janet" or "Mt. Milas" go for? |
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Yeah...Look at Paph rothchildianum.
An FCC awarded plant is outrageously expensive. Gene Some of the older clones like Charles E. are more reasonable but the newer ones are still pretty high. I wonder how much "Janet" or "Mt. Milas" go for? |
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