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Old 19-03-2003, 10:08 AM
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Hi,
I am a first year student studying biology at university.And we have
to elaborate a file whom subject is the evolution of some plants in
specific climates, like cactus, nenuphares, algue and carnivorous
plants. Do you have any informations about this subject, some good
internet sites or books?

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Old 19-03-2003, 01:20 PM
Iris Cohen
 
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I am a first year student studying biology at university.And we have to
elaborate a file whose subject is the evolution of some plants in specific
climates, like cactus, nenuphares, algue and carnivorous plants.

Boy, is Cereoid going to chop you down! Your topic is much too broad. Algae are
not even considered real plants, as far as I know. This reminds me of the story
of the Roman soldier who came to Hillel and said, "Tell me all about the Torah
while I am standing on one foot."
One of my favorite books is "Flowering Plants, Their Origin and Dispersal."
Don't remember the author. However, it is not new & there may be more
up-to-date information. Sorry, you will have to do the legwork yourself. Go to
the library catalogue & the Web & search on such topics as "plant evolution &
climate."
The key to the evolution of carnivorous plants is the scarcity of nitrogen in
bog environments. Start with that & see where it leads you.
And don't forget, now that spring is coming, to get out in the woods and
actually look at plants. You will learn much more than just studying books.


Iris,
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Old 19-03-2003, 07:08 PM
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I am a first year student studying biology at university.And we have
to elaborate a file whom subject is the evolution of some plants in
specific climates, like cactus, nenuphares, algue and carnivorous
plants. Do you have any informations about this subject, some good
internet sites or books?


The most current single view of plant phylogeny available online is
probably the Angiosperm Phylogeny Website at Missouri Botanic Garden
(http://www.mobot.org). After that, it's a matter of tracking down
recent papers, and unpublished results.

"The Families and Genera of Vascular Plants, Vol. 5" (Kubitzki & Bayer,
2003) says that 5 (out of 8) families of carnivorous plants form a
clade, and refers to a paper

Meimberg et al, "Molecular Phylogeny of Caryophyllales s.l. ... with
special emphasis on carnivorous taxa", Plant Biol. 2: 218-228.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
 
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Your topic is much too broad.


I interpret the objective to write a report on *one* group of plants,
but the intended scope of the project wasn't clear to me. Not even if it
was a group of plants defined by a common ancestry, or by a common
environment.

Algae are not even considered real plants, as far as I know.


Land plants are nested within Green Algae (Charales is, IIRC, the sister
group to land plants). Whether Green Algae are plants is arbitrary; it
depends where the line is drawn.

Blue-green algae are prokaryotes (hence the alternative name of
cyanobacteria). There's several other groups of algae, which are not
plants by any plausible cladistic definition.
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Old 19-03-2003, 08:56 PM
Beverly Erlebacher
 
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In article ,
Iris Cohen wrote:
I am a first year student studying biology at university.And we have to
elaborate a file whose subject is the evolution of some plants in specific
climates, like cactus, nenuphares, algue and carnivorous plants.

Boy, is Cereoid going to chop you down! Your topic is much too broad. Algae are
not even considered real plants, as far as I know. This reminds me of the story
of the Roman soldier who came to Hillel and said, "Tell me all about the Torah
while I am standing on one foot."


And Hillel told him: "Don't do to other people what you wouldn't want done
to yourself. The rest is commentary." Hillel has been remembered for 2000
years as a practical, kind and humane man, and some posters to this group
would certainly benefit from his advice.

I'd recommend the original poster pick one group of plants, find out the
scientific name, and do a web search for it until he or she finds some
reliable info on how it evolved and adapted to its difficult environment.
If it's too hard to find the info, pick a different group. Then hit the
library.

I think the original poster may be a Francophone. In English 'nenuphares'
are waterlilies, so using scientific names is important. Carnivorous plants
are not a taxonomic group - this trait has arisen multiple times in unrelated
groups of plants. IIRC, cacti were 'preadapted' to aridity by traits they
developed as epiphytes.

This is an interesting topic for a paper. Good luck!

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