Howdy,

I was wondering if anyone could give me a hint about what the shrub is
in this picture from Roraima, Venzuela:

http://www.heliamphora.de/cms/images...010829_579.jpg

(the shrubby plant in the upper left, with the thickish, curled
leaves)

It came from this page on the Heliamphora genus and its habitat:
http://www.heliamphora.de/cms/01b021...530ff5f55.html

Thanks for your help! It's just a curiousity for me, if someone has
an idea of the family or genus that would be enough to get me started.

Looks like a habit forced onto the plant by local circumstances.
I don't dare guess, but likely it is in the description of the new species
in Carnivorous Plant Newsletter 31/3 (a year back), among the vegetation
that is a background to the new star.
PvR

zosdad schreef
I was wondering if anyone could give me a hint about what the shrub is
in this picture from Roraima, Venzuela:

http://www.heliamphora.de/cms/images...010829_579.jpg

(the shrubby plant in the upper left, with the thickish, curled
leaves)

Looks like a habit forced onto the plant by local circumstances.
I don't dare guess, but likely it is in the description of the new species
in Carnivorous Plant Newsletter 31/3 (a year back), among the vegetation
that is a background to the new star.
PvR

zosdad schreef
I was wondering if anyone could give me a hint about what the shrub is
in this picture from Roraima, Venzuela:

http://www.heliamphora.de/cms/images...010829_579.jpg

(the shrubby plant in the upper left, with the thickish, curled
leaves)

Looks like a habit forced onto the plant by local circumstances.
I don't dare guess, but likely it is in the description of the new species
in Carnivorous Plant Newsletter 31/3 (a year back), among the vegetation
that is a background to the new star.
PvR

zosdad schreef
I was wondering if anyone could give me a hint about what the shrub is
in this picture from Roraima, Venzuela:

http://www.heliamphora.de/cms/images...010829_579.jpg

(the shrubby plant in the upper left, with the thickish, curled
leaves)

It looks superficially like a Zellovia (I may have the spelling wrong.)
However, in order to get a positive identification, you need a closeup of the
flower, fruit, and a leaf.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

(Iris Cohen) wrote in message ...
It looks superficially like a Zellovia (I may have the spelling wrong.)
However, in order to get a positive identification, you need a closeup of the
flower, fruit, and a leaf.

Hmm, I googled on Zellovia and obvious variants and got no hits.

It occurs to me suddenly that it might be a stonecrop, i.e. family
Crassulaceae. Does that ring any bells for anyone?

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[zosdad] wrote...

Howdy,

I was wondering if anyone could give me a hint about what the shrub is
in this picture from Roraima, Venzuela:

http://www.heliamphora.de/cms/images...010829_579.jpg

(the shrubby plant in the upper left, with the thickish, curled
leaves)

It came from this page on the Heliamphora genus and its habitat:
http://www.heliamphora.de/cms/01b021...50279093530ff1
951/50279093530ff5f55.html

Thanks for your help! It's just a curiousity for me, if someone has
an idea of the family or genus that would be enough to get me started.

I'd probably start looking with _Bonnetia_ sp. [family Bonnetiaceae],
but you'll probably need more info than you can get from the photo to
be sure.

I was recently looking at a Missouri Botanical Garden poster featuring
plants of the Guyana highlands, and they illustrated similar thick
leaves clustered at the tips of branches in Bonnetia crassifolia and
indicated there were 30 or so Bonnetia species there.

On the other hand, they also said that very similar growth forms
were characteristic of other plants of these same habitats.

http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/Research/.../welcome.shtml
may be a relevant link.

cheers

mel turner schreef
On the other hand, they also said that very similar growth forms
were characteristic of other plants of these same habitats.

+ + +
Actually this is what I said earlier? (see below)
This plant could belong to a number of families.
I am willing to bet it is a dicot (eudicot), but hardly sure of this.
PvR

( From: P van Rijckevorsel
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:01 AM
Looks like a habit forced onto the plant by local circumstances. )

NB: Vellozia is a monocot.

You must have missed my PS. I meant to write Vellozia.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

In article , [P
van Rijckevorsel] wrote...

mel turner schreef
On the other hand, they also said that very similar growth forms
were characteristic of other plants of these same habitats.

+ + +
Actually this is what I said earlier? (see below)
This plant could belong to a number of families.
I am willing to bet it is a dicot (eudicot), but hardly sure of this.
PvR

I've little doubt of this.

( From: P van Rijckevorsel
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:01 AM
Looks like a habit forced onto the plant by local circumstances. )

NB: Vellozia is a monocot.

Of course. But then they're pretty shrubby monocots.

Anyway, I'd suggested "Bonnetia" [a dicot], not "Vellozia".

cheers

mel turner schreef
On the other hand, they also said that very similar growth forms
were characteristic of other plants of these same habitats.

[P van Rijckevorsel] wrote...
Actually this is what I said earlier? (see below)
This plant could belong to a number of families.
I am willing to bet it is a dicot (eudicot), but hardly sure of this.
PvR

mel turner schreef
I've little doubt of this.

+ + +
Also, it remains true that the easiest way to find out is to look up the
magazine and see what the authors describe as the background vegetation (or
look up what grows in this 'Macizo de Chimanta')
PvR

(mel turner) wrote in message ...
In article , [P
van Rijckevorsel] wrote...

mel turner schreef
On the other hand, they also said that very similar growth forms
were characteristic of other plants of these same habitats.

+ + +
Actually this is what I said earlier? (see below)
This plant could belong to a number of families.
I am willing to bet it is a dicot (eudicot), but hardly sure of this.
PvR

I've little doubt of this.

( From: P van Rijckevorsel
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:01 AM
Looks like a habit forced onto the plant by local circumstances. )

NB: Vellozia is a monocot.

Of course. But then they're pretty shrubby monocots.

Anyway, I'd suggested "Bonnetia" [a dicot], not "Vellozia".

cheers

Mmm, sorry, I was reading different posts on google at different
times.

I agree that Bonnetia looks very likely. I found that MOBOT page also
(they've got great pages). Vellozia may be the more
herbaceous-looking, long-linear-leaved plants on the ground.

Thanks!