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13-12-2003, 11:33 PM
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why they are coiled?
Xref: 127.0.0.1 sci.bio.botany:21103
I have seen many plants and other livingthings having their coiled body. many trees can have a right hand strand or a left hand strand form, just as they are forced to be that, but what caused them like that? I also find that in our universe there are so mang coiled forms, the typhoon, the clouds, the rocks, the stars groups and so on. Is it to say that the coiled form is mor stable than other forms? even I have been told that there are many right hand coiled forms than the left handed forms. but why? |
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14-12-2003, 06:33 AM
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why they are coiled?
"Peter Jason" wrote in message ...
Medieval figurines have a "S" shape that is quite attractive. "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... Don't be limited by what you know. Learn more and investigate the exceptions. Beware of what other people tell you. Do your own research. What does any of this have to do with botany? What is the point you are trying to make? R.bioson wrote in message om... you say that there is far practical than stable the form is,Why? I have checked the snails and seashells that they are the same as that were said as the person told me. there are more right-handed seashells than the left-handed ones in mang species, and I have also found out that the seashells fossils found to be left-handed, of cause this is got from the very species, but what it told us? I think that the envriment is the same as before, but what caused the form pattner of the seashells to change, I can find out nothing according to this. How to explain this phonomenon? the star groups usually to be as a spiral form as ours own galaxy, do not you know. also thanks a lot! "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... A coil has far less outer surface area than does a line. The coil is more practical than stable. Are you trying to say a spiral is the same as a coil? Check out the Fibonacci series. You ask the person who told you there are more right handed coils than left why they said that. The orbits of the planets are elliptical not coiled. The various star groups are in many different forms. Clouds certainly are not coiled. Coiled rocks? Sez who? R.bioson wrote in message om... I have seen many plants and other livingthings having their coiled body. many trees can have a right hand strand or a left hand strand form, just as they are forced to be that, but what caused them like that? I also find that in our universe there are so mang coiled forms, the typhoon, the clouds, the rocks, the stars groups and so on. Is it to say that the coiled form is mor stable than other forms? even I have been told that there are many right hand coiled forms than the left handed forms. but why? Previously in this thread a person posited that handedness of a plant is not relevant to the purpose of this ng. The relevance is obvious to the serious student. Here in North Texas, for example, the Campsis radicans proper coils its tendrils to the right, and it does the same in Missouri, but the rarer and yet undocumented close cousin that is common in Dallas County coils its tendrils to the left. Wih a single experiment I eliminated the tendrils and the vining nature of the common Campsis radicans. When opportunity allows I will publish a comparison of the three. The question in this thread concerning handedness is one of a pack of questions that set me in 1989 upon a journey of questioning and exploring the energies of nature after I observed and recorded a rather anomalous event that happened immediately after a record 100 year flood swept through Dallas. I am a lead industrial electrician by trade and a naturalist by predilection and intent since childhood; such a challenge could not be brushed off or ignored. So I began a journey of research and discovery that lasted six years. I learned from that the value of the controlling numbers in nature, and I learned of the dangers inherent in our careless manipulations of those forces that are reflected in those numbers. From what I have observed I think that handedness is usually an incidental byproduct of standard metabolic processes, and it is subject to reversal for necessary purposes that elude our cursory observations. Polar manipulation of heterodyne fields which carry specified elemental atoms have direct and reproducible effects upon the growth and structure of plants. I do not have the expensive equipment necessary to exactly measure these effects, but there are some government funded studies in this field, and those people have much to offer that greatly broadens our understanding of the mathematical beauty of Helianthus and the bromeliads, to name a couple. There are a number of ways to apply the Fibonacci sequence to nature, but we too often stop there and do not look at how it squares the circle of life and vice-versa. The number of compaction within itself: 1 divided by .618033988--- = 1.61803988----, directs the field about each atom, mass, planet, solar system and galaxy. Handedness might be determinded in a fundamental sense by Periodic Law. The question is challenging and deserving of serious investigation. Nautilus and Helianthus connived to present us vain humans with a challenge of cosmic proportions. -Gaiawar |
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14-12-2003, 03:12 PM
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why they are coiled?
There is something missing from your research and speculation about handedness
in nature. Is there any difference in the proportion of left-handed vs. right-handed snails, tendrils, etc. between the Northern & Southern Hemispheres, due to the Coriolus effect? Medieval figurines have an "S" shape that is quite attractive. That is called a Hogarth curve, & is widely used in modern design. Check out the Fibonacci series. What is most interesting is the fact that the Fibonacci series, besides occurring widely in nature, happens to be very pleasing to the human eye. To get the Fibonacci proportions, you take the first two numbers, add them together, and then add the previous number, like this: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8,13, 21, 34, etc. We use these proportions in bonsai all the time. For example, a tree 21 inches tall should be in a pot 13 inches long. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) |
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14-12-2003, 07:03 PM
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why they are coiled?
Iris Cohen schreef
We use these proportions in bonsai all the time. For example, a tree 21 inches tall should be in a pot 13 inches long. + + + And if the tree should grow half an inch? Oh right, you cut it down to size ... Poor bonsai! PvR |
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15-12-2003, 06:33 AM
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why they are coiled?
Yes, bonsai is indeed torturing plants according to strict oriental
tradition. We may never find Rinkytinksan spending his time in the apiary stunting trees!!! P van Rijckevorsel wrote in message ... Iris Cohen schreef We use these proportions in bonsai all the time. For example, a tree 21 inches tall should be in a pot 13 inches long. + + + And if the tree should grow half an inch? Oh right, you cut it down to size ... Poor bonsai! PvR |
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15-12-2003, 06:33 AM
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why they are coiled?
Oh Gawkward, you are nothing if not the fluffboy of the universe!!!
Wacko Jacko has nothing on you. Some day the Periodic Law will catch up with you!!! Do you use you right hand or left hand when you abuse the Fibonacci series? Are you going to publish your findings in the Weekly World News or post it on WebTV? Gaiawar wrote in message m... "Peter Jason" wrote in message ... Medieval figurines have a "S" shape that is quite attractive. "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... Don't be limited by what you know. Learn more and investigate the exceptions. Beware of what other people tell you. Do your own research. What does any of this have to do with botany? What is the point you are trying to make? R.bioson wrote in message om... you say that there is far practical than stable the form is,Why? I have checked the snails and seashells that they are the same as that were said as the person told me. there are more right-handed seashells than the left-handed ones in mang species, and I have also found out that the seashells fossils found to be left-handed, of cause this is got from the very species, but what it told us? I think that the envriment is the same as before, but what caused the form pattner of the seashells to change, I can find out nothing according to this. How to explain this phonomenon? the star groups usually to be as a spiral form as ours own galaxy, do not you know. also thanks a lot! "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... A coil has far less outer surface area than does a line. The coil is more practical than stable. Are you trying to say a spiral is the same as a coil? Check out the Fibonacci series. You ask the person who told you there are more right handed coils than left why they said that. The orbits of the planets are elliptical not coiled. The various star groups are in many different forms. Clouds certainly are not coiled. Coiled rocks? Sez who? R.bioson wrote in message om... I have seen many plants and other livingthings having their coiled body. many trees can have a right hand strand or a left hand strand form, just as they are forced to be that, but what caused them like that? I also find that in our universe there are so mang coiled forms, the typhoon, the clouds, the rocks, the stars groups and so on. Is it to say that the coiled form is mor stable than other forms? even I have been told that there are many right hand coiled forms than the left handed forms. but why? Previously in this thread a person posited that handedness of a plant is not relevant to the purpose of this ng. The relevance is obvious to the serious student. Here in North Texas, for example, the Campsis radicans proper coils its tendrils to the right, and it does the same in Missouri, but the rarer and yet undocumented close cousin that is common in Dallas County coils its tendrils to the left. Wih a single experiment I eliminated the tendrils and the vining nature of the common Campsis radicans. When opportunity allows I will publish a comparison of the three. The question in this thread concerning handedness is one of a pack of questions that set me in 1989 upon a journey of questioning and exploring the energies of nature after I observed and recorded a rather anomalous event that happened immediately after a record 100 year flood swept through Dallas. I am a lead industrial electrician by trade and a naturalist by predilection and intent since childhood; such a challenge could not be brushed off or ignored. So I began a journey of research and discovery that lasted six years. I learned from that the value of the controlling numbers in nature, and I learned of the dangers inherent in our careless manipulations of those forces that are reflected in those numbers. From what I have observed I think that handedness is usually an incidental byproduct of standard metabolic processes, and it is subject to reversal for necessary purposes that elude our cursory observations. Polar manipulation of heterodyne fields which carry specified elemental atoms have direct and reproducible effects upon the growth and structure of plants. I do not have the expensive equipment necessary to exactly measure these effects, but there are some government funded studies in this field, and those people have much to offer that greatly broadens our understanding of the mathematical beauty of Helianthus and the bromeliads, to name a couple. There are a number of ways to apply the Fibonacci sequence to nature, but we too often stop there and do not look at how it squares the circle of life and vice-versa. The number of compaction within itself: 1 divided by .618033988--- = 1.61803988----, directs the field about each atom, mass, planet, solar system and galaxy. Handedness might be determinded in a fundamental sense by Periodic Law. The question is challenging and deserving of serious investigation. Nautilus and Helianthus connived to present us vain humans with a challenge of cosmic proportions. -Gaiawar |
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15-12-2003, 06:42 AM
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why they are coiled?
Yes, bonsai is indeed torturing plants according to strict oriental
tradition. We may never find Rinkytinksan spending his time in the apiary stunting trees!!! P van Rijckevorsel wrote in message ... Iris Cohen schreef We use these proportions in bonsai all the time. For example, a tree 21 inches tall should be in a pot 13 inches long. + + + And if the tree should grow half an inch? Oh right, you cut it down to size ... Poor bonsai! PvR |
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15-12-2003, 06:42 AM
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why they are coiled?
Oh Gawkward, you are nothing if not the fluffboy of the universe!!!
Wacko Jacko has nothing on you. Some day the Periodic Law will catch up with you!!! Do you use you right hand or left hand when you abuse the Fibonacci series? Are you going to publish your findings in the Weekly World News or post it on WebTV? Gaiawar wrote in message m... "Peter Jason" wrote in message ... Medieval figurines have a "S" shape that is quite attractive. "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... Don't be limited by what you know. Learn more and investigate the exceptions. Beware of what other people tell you. Do your own research. What does any of this have to do with botany? What is the point you are trying to make? R.bioson wrote in message om... you say that there is far practical than stable the form is,Why? I have checked the snails and seashells that they are the same as that were said as the person told me. there are more right-handed seashells than the left-handed ones in mang species, and I have also found out that the seashells fossils found to be left-handed, of cause this is got from the very species, but what it told us? I think that the envriment is the same as before, but what caused the form pattner of the seashells to change, I can find out nothing according to this. How to explain this phonomenon? the star groups usually to be as a spiral form as ours own galaxy, do not you know. also thanks a lot! "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... A coil has far less outer surface area than does a line. The coil is more practical than stable. Are you trying to say a spiral is the same as a coil? Check out the Fibonacci series. You ask the person who told you there are more right handed coils than left why they said that. The orbits of the planets are elliptical not coiled. The various star groups are in many different forms. Clouds certainly are not coiled. Coiled rocks? Sez who? R.bioson wrote in message om... I have seen many plants and other livingthings having their coiled body. many trees can have a right hand strand or a left hand strand form, just as they are forced to be that, but what caused them like that? I also find that in our universe there are so mang coiled forms, the typhoon, the clouds, the rocks, the stars groups and so on. Is it to say that the coiled form is mor stable than other forms? even I have been told that there are many right hand coiled forms than the left handed forms. but why? Previously in this thread a person posited that handedness of a plant is not relevant to the purpose of this ng. The relevance is obvious to the serious student. Here in North Texas, for example, the Campsis radicans proper coils its tendrils to the right, and it does the same in Missouri, but the rarer and yet undocumented close cousin that is common in Dallas County coils its tendrils to the left. Wih a single experiment I eliminated the tendrils and the vining nature of the common Campsis radicans. When opportunity allows I will publish a comparison of the three. The question in this thread concerning handedness is one of a pack of questions that set me in 1989 upon a journey of questioning and exploring the energies of nature after I observed and recorded a rather anomalous event that happened immediately after a record 100 year flood swept through Dallas. I am a lead industrial electrician by trade and a naturalist by predilection and intent since childhood; such a challenge could not be brushed off or ignored. So I began a journey of research and discovery that lasted six years. I learned from that the value of the controlling numbers in nature, and I learned of the dangers inherent in our careless manipulations of those forces that are reflected in those numbers. From what I have observed I think that handedness is usually an incidental byproduct of standard metabolic processes, and it is subject to reversal for necessary purposes that elude our cursory observations. Polar manipulation of heterodyne fields which carry specified elemental atoms have direct and reproducible effects upon the growth and structure of plants. I do not have the expensive equipment necessary to exactly measure these effects, but there are some government funded studies in this field, and those people have much to offer that greatly broadens our understanding of the mathematical beauty of Helianthus and the bromeliads, to name a couple. There are a number of ways to apply the Fibonacci sequence to nature, but we too often stop there and do not look at how it squares the circle of life and vice-versa. The number of compaction within itself: 1 divided by .618033988--- = 1.61803988----, directs the field about each atom, mass, planet, solar system and galaxy. Handedness might be determinded in a fundamental sense by Periodic Law. The question is challenging and deserving of serious investigation. Nautilus and Helianthus connived to present us vain humans with a challenge of cosmic proportions. -Gaiawar |
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15-12-2003, 07:02 AM
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why they are coiled?
Yes, bonsai is indeed torturing plants according to strict oriental
tradition. We may never find Rinkytinksan spending his time in the apiary stunting trees!!! P van Rijckevorsel wrote in message ... Iris Cohen schreef We use these proportions in bonsai all the time. For example, a tree 21 inches tall should be in a pot 13 inches long. + + + And if the tree should grow half an inch? Oh right, you cut it down to size ... Poor bonsai! PvR |
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15-12-2003, 07:02 AM
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why they are coiled?
Oh Gawkward, you are nothing if not the fluffboy of the universe!!!
Wacko Jacko has nothing on you. Some day the Periodic Law will catch up with you!!! Do you use you right hand or left hand when you abuse the Fibonacci series? Are you going to publish your findings in the Weekly World News or post it on WebTV? Gaiawar wrote in message m... "Peter Jason" wrote in message ... Medieval figurines have a "S" shape that is quite attractive. "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... Don't be limited by what you know. Learn more and investigate the exceptions. Beware of what other people tell you. Do your own research. What does any of this have to do with botany? What is the point you are trying to make? R.bioson wrote in message om... you say that there is far practical than stable the form is,Why? I have checked the snails and seashells that they are the same as that were said as the person told me. there are more right-handed seashells than the left-handed ones in mang species, and I have also found out that the seashells fossils found to be left-handed, of cause this is got from the very species, but what it told us? I think that the envriment is the same as before, but what caused the form pattner of the seashells to change, I can find out nothing according to this. How to explain this phonomenon? the star groups usually to be as a spiral form as ours own galaxy, do not you know. also thanks a lot! "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... A coil has far less outer surface area than does a line. The coil is more practical than stable. Are you trying to say a spiral is the same as a coil? Check out the Fibonacci series. You ask the person who told you there are more right handed coils than left why they said that. The orbits of the planets are elliptical not coiled. The various star groups are in many different forms. Clouds certainly are not coiled. Coiled rocks? Sez who? R.bioson wrote in message om... I have seen many plants and other livingthings having their coiled body. many trees can have a right hand strand or a left hand strand form, just as they are forced to be that, but what caused them like that? I also find that in our universe there are so mang coiled forms, the typhoon, the clouds, the rocks, the stars groups and so on. Is it to say that the coiled form is mor stable than other forms? even I have been told that there are many right hand coiled forms than the left handed forms. but why? Previously in this thread a person posited that handedness of a plant is not relevant to the purpose of this ng. The relevance is obvious to the serious student. Here in North Texas, for example, the Campsis radicans proper coils its tendrils to the right, and it does the same in Missouri, but the rarer and yet undocumented close cousin that is common in Dallas County coils its tendrils to the left. Wih a single experiment I eliminated the tendrils and the vining nature of the common Campsis radicans. When opportunity allows I will publish a comparison of the three. The question in this thread concerning handedness is one of a pack of questions that set me in 1989 upon a journey of questioning and exploring the energies of nature after I observed and recorded a rather anomalous event that happened immediately after a record 100 year flood swept through Dallas. I am a lead industrial electrician by trade and a naturalist by predilection and intent since childhood; such a challenge could not be brushed off or ignored. So I began a journey of research and discovery that lasted six years. I learned from that the value of the controlling numbers in nature, and I learned of the dangers inherent in our careless manipulations of those forces that are reflected in those numbers. From what I have observed I think that handedness is usually an incidental byproduct of standard metabolic processes, and it is subject to reversal for necessary purposes that elude our cursory observations. Polar manipulation of heterodyne fields which carry specified elemental atoms have direct and reproducible effects upon the growth and structure of plants. I do not have the expensive equipment necessary to exactly measure these effects, but there are some government funded studies in this field, and those people have much to offer that greatly broadens our understanding of the mathematical beauty of Helianthus and the bromeliads, to name a couple. There are a number of ways to apply the Fibonacci sequence to nature, but we too often stop there and do not look at how it squares the circle of life and vice-versa. The number of compaction within itself: 1 divided by .618033988--- = 1.61803988----, directs the field about each atom, mass, planet, solar system and galaxy. Handedness might be determinded in a fundamental sense by Periodic Law. The question is challenging and deserving of serious investigation. Nautilus and Helianthus connived to present us vain humans with a challenge of cosmic proportions. -Gaiawar |
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16-12-2003, 12:09 AM
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why they are coiled?
"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om...
Oh Gawkward, you are nothing if not the fluffboy of the universe!!! Wacko Jacko has nothing on you. Some day the Periodic Law will catch up with you!!! Do you use you right hand or left hand when you abuse the Fibonacci series? Are you going to publish your findings in the Weekly World News or post it on WebTV? Gaiawar wrote in message m... "Peter Jason" wrote in message ... Medieval figurines have a "S" shape that is quite attractive. "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... Don't be limited by what you know. Learn more and investigate the exceptions. Beware of what other people tell you. Do your own research. What does any of this have to do with botany? What is the point you are trying to make? R.bioson wrote in message om... you say that there is far practical than stable the form is,Why? I have checked the snails and seashells that they are the same as that were said as the person told me. there are more right-handed seashells than the left-handed ones in mang species, and I have also found out that the seashells fossils found to be left-handed, of cause this is got from the very species, but what it told us? I think that the envriment is the same as before, but what caused the form pattner of the seashells to change, I can find out nothing according to this. How to explain this phonomenon? the star groups usually to be as a spiral form as ours own galaxy, do not you know. also thanks a lot! "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message om... A coil has far less outer surface area than does a line. The coil is more practical than stable. Are you trying to say a spiral is the same as a coil? Check out the Fibonacci series. You ask the person who told you there are more right handed coils than left why they said that. The orbits of the planets are elliptical not coiled. The various star groups are in many different forms. Clouds certainly are not coiled. Coiled rocks? Sez who? R.bioson wrote in message om... I have seen many plants and other livingthings having their coiled body. many trees can have a right hand strand or a left hand strand form, just as they are forced to be that, but what caused them like that? I also find that in our universe there are so mang coiled forms, the typhoon, the clouds, the rocks, the stars groups and so on. Is it to say that the coiled form is mor stable than other forms? even I have been told that there are many right hand coiled forms than the left handed forms. but why? Previously in this thread a person posited that handedness of a plant is not relevant to the purpose of this ng. The relevance is obvious to the serious student. Here in North Texas, for example, the Campsis radicans proper coils its tendrils to the right, and it does the same in Missouri, but the rarer and yet undocumented close cousin that is common in Dallas County coils its tendrils to the left. Wih a single experiment I eliminated the tendrils and the vining nature of the common Campsis radicans. When opportunity allows I will publish a comparison of the three. The question in this thread concerning handedness is one of a pack of questions that set me in 1989 upon a journey of questioning and exploring the energies of nature after I observed and recorded a rather anomalous event that happened immediately after a record 100 year flood swept through Dallas. I am a lead industrial electrician by trade and a naturalist by predilection and intent since childhood; such a challenge could not be brushed off or ignored. So I began a journey of research and discovery that lasted six years. I learned from that the value of the controlling numbers in nature, and I learned of the dangers inherent in our careless manipulations of those forces that are reflected in those numbers. From what I have observed I think that handedness is usually an incidental byproduct of standard metabolic processes, and it is subject to reversal for necessary purposes that elude our cursory observations. Polar manipulation of heterodyne fields which carry specified elemental atoms have direct and reproducible effects upon the growth and structure of plants. I do not have the expensive equipment necessary to exactly measure these effects, but there are some government funded studies in this field, and those people have much to offer that greatly broadens our understanding of the mathematical beauty of Helianthus and the bromeliads, to name a couple. There are a number of ways to apply the Fibonacci sequence to nature, but we too often stop there and do not look at how it squares the circle of life and vice-versa. The number of compaction within itself: 1 divided by .618033988--- = 1.61803988----, directs the field about each atom, mass, planet, solar system and galaxy. Handedness might be determinded in a fundamental sense by Periodic Law. The question is challenging and deserving of serious investigation. Nautilus and Helianthus connived to present us vain humans with a challenge of cosmic proportions. -Gaiawar Children, Cereoid, top post. Tell us, child, what Hermes meant when he admonished us to eschew the angles and follow the curves. Go to your room immediately and do not show your face among adults until you can tell us how we can use tertiary harmonics to manipulate genomes. Perhaps Uncle Al can help you crib as is your predilection. Recall that I said that I bring WebTV here for fun. -Gaiawar |
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16-12-2003, 04:02 AM
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16-12-2003, 11:12 AM
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Keith Michaels schreef
But this has nothing to do with reality; if you start with a random distribution over a large area the tendency of one individual to move in one direction is compensated by other individuals which backfill from nearby areas, assuming new individuals of both orientations are being born randomly in all areas. + + + It seems to me that assuming random distribution is assuming that the entire world is flooded by a sea at a uniform depth, with water at a uniform (or at least comparable) temperature, etc. Would certainly be the end of botany as we know it! PvR |
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25-12-2003, 07:02 PM
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25-12-2003, 07:32 PM
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"P van Rijckevorsel" wrote in message ...
Keith Michaels schreef But this has nothing to do with reality; if you start with a random distribution over a large area the tendency of one individual to move in one direction is compensated by other individuals which backfill from nearby areas, assuming new individuals of both orientations are being born randomly in all areas. + + + It seems to me that assuming random distribution is assuming that the entire world is flooded by a sea at a uniform depth, with water at a uniform (or at least comparable) temperature, etc. Would certainly be the end of botany as we know it! PvR Yep, PvR, good point. Imagine the earth as a beach ball hanging in a busy paint shop for a number of years. The accumulated paints will display a fruitcake pattern of varying areas randomly distributed from nearly complete homogeniety to areas of single color dominance. Thus it is with flora and fauna and the stones beneath. It is not far fetched to say that upon this globe of ever shifting colors there have been no occurences of simultaneity of required MatterXEnergy circumstances for the sudden transformation of advanced lifeforms into new forms. This is a challenging prospect, and only the Architect knows these answers. Golden Apple 23 resides within the Matrix, and science history buffs read the formulae. -Gaia's War |
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