PhD and 40 years experience doing what? Flipping burgers at Micky Dee's? You
see a phony every day when you look in a mirror, UpChuck. All the time, I
see know nothing dweebs with degrees. You are another to add to the list. So
far, it appears the only experience you have with plants is eating salad.

Your e-mail address doesn't have an .edu at the end. So, I know you are not
a professional educator. You are just another lying troll egomaniac.

If you ever actually answer anybody's questions we will have proof exactly
what little you do know. Until then, why don't you just go back to looking
at porn and stop showing everyone how worthless you are.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
"The Botanical Sciences"?

What is that supposed to be, UpChuck, some sort of new age religion?

The science is called botany. Its the study of plants, plain and simple.

You have never shown even the slightest whit of understanding of basic
botany in any of your postings, you pompous dweeb.

Today, I spent the morning identifying plants and how to properly grow
them
in a local conservatory.

I doubt you even know shit from shinola.

You are about as knowledgeable and as dangerous as the arses in the
following links.



PhD and 40 years experience say different. And I know phony when I
observe
one and you are a perfect example. Again, your name calling does nothing
except verify my conclusion.

CWR.



http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_shinola.jpg

http://www.internetweekly.org/images...al_shinola.jpg

http://www.freshwidow.com/bradscomix...t_shinola1.jpg


"Chuck" wrote in message
link.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
Spirit of Botanical Science?

You have a very Dickensian view of the world, M&M.

And after due observation, you don't have much real knowledge about
The
Botanical Sciences. So Others can discuss and you, as usual, can
continue
making your inane comments.

CWR


Some of his conclusions from his observations were based on
misconceptions
and not as interesting as you may want to believe. You may be hoping
for
something that does not exist.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Everything else was interesting. Let the spirit of botanical
science
thrive, let's discuss his questions.





"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
The question was already answered, meathead.

The plant was top heavy and needed to be staked.

Everything else was irrelevant.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have answers to this guy's awesome and totally
interesting
question?


Mike




"Davisons Trull" wrote in message
...
Hi botanists,

Total n00b, in no way a botanist, just wondering on plant
weirdness.
Well,
weird to me!

Heres the story...

A year ago my mum gave me a plant. Its a family thing, been
handed
down
through the generations - we all have one. It was quite a
chunky
chap
when
he was given to me. Big, thick stem, sprouting out into
other
very
healthy
looking stems, each with big, green bulbous leaves. Sorry,
none
of
us
know
what it is Anyway, after four weeks it just started
falling
to
pieces.
Woah! I thought. Can't lose plant!! I had a quick chat with
my
mum
and
she
said it was odd, but even from a leaf they can just grow
back,
so
I
shouldn't worry. Fair enough, I thought. So, every bit that
fell
off
I
re-potted and for each pot I tried different tactics, you
know,
to
try
and
figure out what I did to kill it the first time. All the
little
pieces
survived, but the main plan died.

Ok. Now I have 5 plants. I I want to know where I went
wrong,
so
I
give
them
all slightly different conditions:

1. Small pot, soil, little water, in the shade
2. Medium pot, soil, medium water, indirect sunlight.
3. Small pot, only water, direct sunlight.
4. Large pot, soil, lots of water, direct sunlight, baby
bio.
5. Large pot, soil, see how he survives outside

A year later, they are all still alive!

From this, I could only guess that when the main stem plant
fell
to
pieces
it was simply reproducing. I mean, after all, there are 5 of
them
now
and
try as I might to get the main stem to grow it steadfast
refused.

Anyway, thats not the freaky part. Why did I put "plant
memory"
in
the
subject? Well. Remember plant no. 5? He didn't do too well
outside.
In
fact, I totally forgot he was out there until about a month
later.
He'd
fallen over in the wind, soil spilt everywhere and barely a
leaf
left.
I
picked him up, fixed the soil and brought him back with the
others.

Over the next few months he made a great recovery. His stem
grew
stronger
than the others, and took on a darker sort of "woody" style.
I
figured
he
was a tough nut now.

So, I come back today and.... he was growing sideways. Yes,
thats
right.
He
was upright yesterday, and today he has bent his stem 90
degrees.
Its
like
he "remembered" that he fell over this time last year, and
so
decided
to
fall over again! Probably in preparation for "the big
knock".

Obviously the 4 other plants are still growing upright.

Is this "normal" plant behavior? Will I have to train
"junior"
to
stand
up
straight, or will he "fall over" again this time next year?

Was never much for titles, but you seem to not understand much else.
Besides, weren't you the one who told me you were an expert at everything.
Tnink a little now, when you add 40 years + PhD you get retired which
further verifies my opinion which agrees with many others. Also perhaps I
was in Private Industey or self employed. You're undoubtably the troll.

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
PhD and 40 years experience doing what? Flipping burgers at Micky Dee's?
You
see a phony every day when you look in a mirror, UpChuck. All the time, I
see know nothing dweebs with degrees. You are another to add to the list.
So
far, it appears the only experience you have with plants is eating salad.

Your e-mail address doesn't have an .edu at the end. So, I know you are
not
a professional educator. You are just another lying troll egomaniac.

If you ever actually answer anybody's questions we will have proof exactly
what little you do know. Until then, why don't you just go back to looking
at porn and stop showing everyone how worthless you are.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
"The Botanical Sciences"?

What is that supposed to be, UpChuck, some sort of new age religion?

The science is called botany. Its the study of plants, plain and
simple.

You have never shown even the slightest whit of understanding of basic
botany in any of your postings, you pompous dweeb.

Today, I spent the morning identifying plants and how to properly grow
them
in a local conservatory.

I doubt you even know shit from shinola.

You are about as knowledgeable and as dangerous as the arses in the
following links.



PhD and 40 years experience say different. And I know phony when I
observe
one and you are a perfect example. Again, your name calling does nothing
except verify my conclusion.

CWR.



http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_shinola.jpg

http://www.internetweekly.org/images...al_shinola.jpg

http://www.freshwidow.com/bradscomix...t_shinola1.jpg


"Chuck" wrote in message
link.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
Spirit of Botanical Science?

You have a very Dickensian view of the world, M&M.

And after due observation, you don't have much real knowledge about
The
Botanical Sciences. So Others can discuss and you, as usual, can
continue
making your inane comments.

CWR


Some of his conclusions from his observations were based on
misconceptions
and not as interesting as you may want to believe. You may be
hoping
for
something that does not exist.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Everything else was interesting. Let the spirit of botanical
science
thrive, let's discuss his questions.





"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
The question was already answered, meathead.

The plant was top heavy and needed to be staked.

Everything else was irrelevant.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have answers to this guy's awesome and totally
interesting
question?


Mike




"Davisons Trull" wrote in message
...
Hi botanists,

Total n00b, in no way a botanist, just wondering on plant
weirdness.
Well,
weird to me!

Heres the story...

A year ago my mum gave me a plant. Its a family thing,
been
handed
down
through the generations - we all have one. It was quite a
chunky
chap
when
he was given to me. Big, thick stem, sprouting out into
other
very
healthy
looking stems, each with big, green bulbous leaves. Sorry,
none
of
us
know
what it is Anyway, after four weeks it just started
falling
to
pieces.
Woah! I thought. Can't lose plant!! I had a quick chat
with
my
mum
and
she
said it was odd, but even from a leaf they can just grow
back,
so
I
shouldn't worry. Fair enough, I thought. So, every bit
that
fell
off
I
re-potted and for each pot I tried different tactics, you
know,
to
try
and
figure out what I did to kill it the first time. All the
little
pieces
survived, but the main plan died.

Ok. Now I have 5 plants. I I want to know where I went
wrong,
so
I
give
them
all slightly different conditions:

1. Small pot, soil, little water, in the shade
2. Medium pot, soil, medium water, indirect sunlight.
3. Small pot, only water, direct sunlight.
4. Large pot, soil, lots of water, direct sunlight, baby
bio.
5. Large pot, soil, see how he survives outside

A year later, they are all still alive!

From this, I could only guess that when the main stem
plant
fell
to
pieces
it was simply reproducing. I mean, after all, there are 5
of
them
now
and
try as I might to get the main stem to grow it steadfast
refused.

Anyway, thats not the freaky part. Why did I put "plant
memory"
in
the
subject? Well. Remember plant no. 5? He didn't do too well
outside.
In
fact, I totally forgot he was out there until about a
month
later.
He'd
fallen over in the wind, soil spilt everywhere and barely
a
leaf
left.
I
picked him up, fixed the soil and brought him back with
the
others.

Over the next few months he made a great recovery. His
stem
grew
stronger
than the others, and took on a darker sort of "woody"
style.
I
figured
he
was a tough nut now.

So, I come back today and.... he was growing sideways.
Yes,
thats
right.
He
was upright yesterday, and today he has bent his stem 90
degrees.
Its
like
he "remembered" that he fell over this time last year, and
so
decided
to
fall over again! Probably in preparation for "the big
knock".

Obviously the 4 other plants are still growing upright.

Is this "normal" plant behavior? Will I have to train
"junior"
to
stand
up
straight, or will he "fall over" again this time next
year?

Chuckie baby, are you saying you can't possibly be a troll because your are
so computer inept you don't know how to do a spell check? Then all you could
be is just a bitter old man with too much time on his hands? Yeah, I saw a
panhandler on the street that said he was self-employed independent
contractor!!!


"Chuck" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Was never much for titles, but you seem to not understand much else.
Besides, weren't you the one who told me you were an expert at everything.
Tnink a little now, when you add 40 years + PhD you get retired which
further verifies my opinion which agrees with many others. Also perhaps I
was in Private Industey or self employed. You're undoubtably the troll.

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
PhD and 40 years experience doing what? Flipping burgers at Micky Dee's?
You
see a phony every day when you look in a mirror, UpChuck. All the time,
I
see know nothing dweebs with degrees. You are another to add to the
list.
So
far, it appears the only experience you have with plants is eating
salad.

Your e-mail address doesn't have an .edu at the end. So, I know you are
not
a professional educator. You are just another lying troll egomaniac.

If you ever actually answer anybody's questions we will have proof
exactly
what little you do know. Until then, why don't you just go back to
looking
at porn and stop showing everyone how worthless you are.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
"The Botanical Sciences"?

What is that supposed to be, UpChuck, some sort of new age religion?

The science is called botany. Its the study of plants, plain and
simple.

You have never shown even the slightest whit of understanding of
basic
botany in any of your postings, you pompous dweeb.

Today, I spent the morning identifying plants and how to properly
grow
them
in a local conservatory.

I doubt you even know shit from shinola.

You are about as knowledgeable and as dangerous as the arses in the
following links.



PhD and 40 years experience say different. And I know phony when I
observe
one and you are a perfect example. Again, your name calling does
nothing
except verify my conclusion.

CWR.



http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_shinola.jpg

http://www.internetweekly.org/images...al_shinola.jpg

http://www.freshwidow.com/bradscomix...t_shinola1.jpg


"Chuck" wrote in message
link.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
Spirit of Botanical Science?

You have a very Dickensian view of the world, M&M.

And after due observation, you don't have much real knowledge
about
The
Botanical Sciences. So Others can discuss and you, as usual, can
continue
making your inane comments.

CWR


Some of his conclusions from his observations were based on
misconceptions
and not as interesting as you may want to believe. You may be
hoping
for
something that does not exist.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Everything else was interesting. Let the spirit of botanical
science
thrive, let's discuss his questions.





"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
The question was already answered, meathead.

The plant was top heavy and needed to be staked.

Everything else was irrelevant.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have answers to this guy's awesome and totally
interesting
question?


Mike




"Davisons Trull" wrote in message
...
Hi botanists,

Total n00b, in no way a botanist, just wondering on
plant
weirdness.
Well,
weird to me!

Heres the story...

A year ago my mum gave me a plant. Its a family thing,
been
handed
down
through the generations - we all have one. It was quite
a
chunky
chap
when
he was given to me. Big, thick stem, sprouting out into
other
very
healthy
looking stems, each with big, green bulbous leaves.
Sorry,
none
of
us
know
what it is Anyway, after four weeks it just started
falling
to
pieces.
Woah! I thought. Can't lose plant!! I had a quick chat
with
my
mum
and
she
said it was odd, but even from a leaf they can just grow
back,
so
I
shouldn't worry. Fair enough, I thought. So, every bit
that
fell
off
I
re-potted and for each pot I tried different tactics,
you
know,
to
try
and
figure out what I did to kill it the first time. All the
little
pieces
survived, but the main plan died.

Ok. Now I have 5 plants. I I want to know where I went
wrong,
so
I
give
them
all slightly different conditions:

1. Small pot, soil, little water, in the shade
2. Medium pot, soil, medium water, indirect sunlight.
3. Small pot, only water, direct sunlight.
4. Large pot, soil, lots of water, direct sunlight, baby
bio.
5. Large pot, soil, see how he survives outside

A year later, they are all still alive!

From this, I could only guess that when the main stem
plant
fell
to
pieces
it was simply reproducing. I mean, after all, there are
5
of
them
now
and
try as I might to get the main stem to grow it steadfast
refused.

Anyway, thats not the freaky part. Why did I put "plant
memory"
in
the
subject? Well. Remember plant no. 5? He didn't do too
well
outside.
In
fact, I totally forgot he was out there until about a
month
later.
He'd
fallen over in the wind, soil spilt everywhere and
barely
a
leaf
left.
I
picked him up, fixed the soil and brought him back with
the
others.

Over the next few months he made a great recovery. His
stem
grew
stronger
than the others, and took on a darker sort of "woody"
style.
I
figured
he
was a tough nut now.

So, I come back today and.... he was growing sideways.
Yes,
thats
right.
He
was upright yesterday, and today he has bent his stem 90
degrees.
Its
like
he "remembered" that he fell over this time last year,
and
so
decided
to
fall over again! Probably in preparation for "the big
knock".

Obviously the 4 other plants are still growing upright.

Is this "normal" plant behavior? Will I have to train
"junior"
to
stand
up
straight, or will he "fall over" again this time next
year?

AT LEAST I USE MY REAL NAME. WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO USE YOURS?

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
Chuckie baby, are you saying you can't possibly be a troll because your
are
so computer inept you don't know how to do a spell check? Then all you
could
be is just a bitter old man with too much time on his hands? Yeah, I saw a
panhandler on the street that said he was self-employed independent
contractor!!!


"Chuck" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Was never much for titles, but you seem to not understand much else.
Besides, weren't you the one who told me you were an expert at
everything.
Tnink a little now, when you add 40 years + PhD you get retired which
further verifies my opinion which agrees with many others. Also perhaps
I
was in Private Industey or self employed. You're undoubtably the troll.

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
PhD and 40 years experience doing what? Flipping burgers at Micky
Dee's?
You
see a phony every day when you look in a mirror, UpChuck. All the
time,
I
see know nothing dweebs with degrees. You are another to add to the
list.
So
far, it appears the only experience you have with plants is eating
salad.

Your e-mail address doesn't have an .edu at the end. So, I know you
are
not
a professional educator. You are just another lying troll egomaniac.

If you ever actually answer anybody's questions we will have proof
exactly
what little you do know. Until then, why don't you just go back to
looking
at porn and stop showing everyone how worthless you are.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
"The Botanical Sciences"?

What is that supposed to be, UpChuck, some sort of new age
religion?

The science is called botany. Its the study of plants, plain and
simple.

You have never shown even the slightest whit of understanding of
basic
botany in any of your postings, you pompous dweeb.

Today, I spent the morning identifying plants and how to properly
grow
them
in a local conservatory.

I doubt you even know shit from shinola.

You are about as knowledgeable and as dangerous as the arses in
the
following links.



PhD and 40 years experience say different. And I know phony when I
observe
one and you are a perfect example. Again, your name calling does
nothing
except verify my conclusion.

CWR.



http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_shinola.jpg

http://www.internetweekly.org/images...al_shinola.jpg

http://www.freshwidow.com/bradscomix...t_shinola1.jpg


"Chuck" wrote in message
link.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
Spirit of Botanical Science?

You have a very Dickensian view of the world, M&M.

And after due observation, you don't have much real knowledge
about
The
Botanical Sciences. So Others can discuss and you, as usual,
can
continue
making your inane comments.

CWR


Some of his conclusions from his observations were based on
misconceptions
and not as interesting as you may want to believe. You may be
hoping
for
something that does not exist.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Everything else was interesting. Let the spirit of
botanical
science
thrive, let's discuss his questions.





"Cereus-validus" wrote in
message
m...
The question was already answered, meathead.

The plant was top heavy and needed to be staked.

Everything else was irrelevant.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have answers to this guy's awesome and
totally
interesting
question?


Mike




"Davisons Trull" wrote in message
...
Hi botanists,

Total n00b, in no way a botanist, just wondering on
plant
weirdness.
Well,
weird to me!

Heres the story...

A year ago my mum gave me a plant. Its a family thing,
been
handed
down
through the generations - we all have one. It was
quite
a
chunky
chap
when
he was given to me. Big, thick stem, sprouting out
into
other
very
healthy
looking stems, each with big, green bulbous leaves.
Sorry,
none
of
us
know
what it is Anyway, after four weeks it just started
falling
to
pieces.
Woah! I thought. Can't lose plant!! I had a quick chat
with
my
mum
and
she
said it was odd, but even from a leaf they can just
grow
back,
so
I
shouldn't worry. Fair enough, I thought. So, every bit
that
fell
off
I
re-potted and for each pot I tried different tactics,
you
know,
to
try
and
figure out what I did to kill it the first time. All
the
little
pieces
survived, but the main plan died.

Ok. Now I have 5 plants. I I want to know where I went
wrong,
so
I
give
them
all slightly different conditions:

1. Small pot, soil, little water, in the shade
2. Medium pot, soil, medium water, indirect sunlight.
3. Small pot, only water, direct sunlight.
4. Large pot, soil, lots of water, direct sunlight,
baby
bio.
5. Large pot, soil, see how he survives outside

A year later, they are all still alive!

From this, I could only guess that when the main stem
plant
fell
to
pieces
it was simply reproducing. I mean, after all, there
are
5
of
them
now
and
try as I might to get the main stem to grow it
steadfast
refused.

Anyway, thats not the freaky part. Why did I put
"plant
memory"
in
the
subject? Well. Remember plant no. 5? He didn't do too
well
outside.
In
fact, I totally forgot he was out there until about a
month
later.
He'd
fallen over in the wind, soil spilt everywhere and
barely
a
leaf
left.
I
picked him up, fixed the soil and brought him back
with
the
others.

Over the next few months he made a great recovery. His
stem
grew
stronger
than the others, and took on a darker sort of "woody"
style.
I
figured
he
was a tough nut now.

So, I come back today and.... he was growing sideways.
Yes,
thats
right.
He
was upright yesterday, and today he has bent his stem
90
degrees.
Its
like
he "remembered" that he fell over this time last year,
and
so
decided
to
fall over again! Probably in preparation for "the big
knock".

Obviously the 4 other plants are still growing
upright.

Is this "normal" plant behavior? Will I have to train
"junior"
to
stand
up
straight, or will he "fall over" again this time next
year?

"Mike Martin" wrote in message ...
Does anyone have answers to this guy's awesome and totally interesting
question?


Mike


I don't see any evidence of plant memory in this situation.

There have been serious scientific studies of plant memory and plant
intelligence, not to be confused with the pseudoscience in the
bestseller The Secret Life of Plants. The first symposium on plant
neurobiology is set for next year:

http://izmb.de/zellbio/volkmann/neuro_meeting.html

A recent article, "Aspects of Plant Intelligence", in a respected
botany journal has a section on "plant memory and information
retrival."

http://aob.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/92/1/1

I always said plants were social, and tend to copy each other.

"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have answers to this guy's awesome and totally interesting
question?


Mike




"Davisons Trull" wrote in message
...
Hi botanists,

Total n00b, in no way a botanist, just wondering on plant weirdness.
Well,
weird to me!

Heres the story...

A year ago my mum gave me a plant. Its a family thing, been handed down
through the generations - we all have one. It was quite a chunky chap
when
he was given to me. Big, thick stem, sprouting out into other very
healthy
looking stems, each with big, green bulbous leaves. Sorry, none of us
know
what it is Anyway, after four weeks it just started falling to
pieces.
Woah! I thought. Can't lose plant!! I had a quick chat with my mum and
she
said it was odd, but even from a leaf they can just grow back, so I
shouldn't worry. Fair enough, I thought. So, every bit that fell off I
re-potted and for each pot I tried different tactics, you know, to try
and
figure out what I did to kill it the first time. All the little pieces
survived, but the main plan died.

Ok. Now I have 5 plants. I I want to know where I went wrong, so I give
them
all slightly different conditions:

1. Small pot, soil, little water, in the shade
2. Medium pot, soil, medium water, indirect sunlight.
3. Small pot, only water, direct sunlight.
4. Large pot, soil, lots of water, direct sunlight, baby bio.
5. Large pot, soil, see how he survives outside

A year later, they are all still alive!

From this, I could only guess that when the main stem plant fell to
pieces
it was simply reproducing. I mean, after all, there are 5 of them now
and
try as I might to get the main stem to grow it steadfast refused.

Anyway, thats not the freaky part. Why did I put "plant memory" in the
subject? Well. Remember plant no. 5? He didn't do too well outside. In
fact, I totally forgot he was out there until about a month later. He'd
fallen over in the wind, soil spilt everywhere and barely a leaf left. I
picked him up, fixed the soil and brought him back with the others.

Over the next few months he made a great recovery. His stem grew
stronger
than the others, and took on a darker sort of "woody" style. I figured
he
was a tough nut now.

So, I come back today and.... he was growing sideways. Yes, thats right.
He
was upright yesterday, and today he has bent his stem 90 degrees. Its
like
he "remembered" that he fell over this time last year, and so decided to
fall over again! Probably in preparation for "the big knock".

Obviously the 4 other plants are still growing upright.

Is this "normal" plant behavior? Will I have to train "junior" to stand
up
straight, or will he "fall over" again this time next year?

It's true botany is botany, but I think one can use the term botanical sciences
to refer to the group of related studies, such as taxonomy, botanical
biochemistry, ethnobotany, agronomy, plant nutrition, etc. as well as botany
itself.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

I'm not afraid of anything, Chuckie.

I could not care less what you think.

I don't want to be your pen pal either.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
AT LEAST I USE MY REAL NAME. WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO USE YOURS?

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
Chuckie baby, are you saying you can't possibly be a troll because your
are
so computer inept you don't know how to do a spell check? Then all you
could
be is just a bitter old man with too much time on his hands? Yeah, I saw
a
panhandler on the street that said he was self-employed independent
contractor!!!


"Chuck" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Was never much for titles, but you seem to not understand much else.
Besides, weren't you the one who told me you were an expert at
everything.
Tnink a little now, when you add 40 years + PhD you get retired which
further verifies my opinion which agrees with many others. Also
perhaps
I
was in Private Industey or self employed. You're undoubtably the
troll.

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
PhD and 40 years experience doing what? Flipping burgers at Micky
Dee's?
You
see a phony every day when you look in a mirror, UpChuck. All the
time,
I
see know nothing dweebs with degrees. You are another to add to the
list.
So
far, it appears the only experience you have with plants is eating
salad.

Your e-mail address doesn't have an .edu at the end. So, I know you
are
not
a professional educator. You are just another lying troll egomaniac.


If you ever actually answer anybody's questions we will have proof
exactly
what little you do know. Until then, why don't you just go back to
looking
at porn and stop showing everyone how worthless you are.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
"The Botanical Sciences"?

What is that supposed to be, UpChuck, some sort of new age
religion?

The science is called botany. Its the study of plants, plain and
simple.

You have never shown even the slightest whit of understanding of
basic
botany in any of your postings, you pompous dweeb.

Today, I spent the morning identifying plants and how to
properly
grow
them
in a local conservatory.

I doubt you even know shit from shinola.

You are about as knowledgeable and as dangerous as the arses in
the
following links.



PhD and 40 years experience say different. And I know phony when
I
observe
one and you are a perfect example. Again, your name calling does
nothing
except verify my conclusion.

CWR.



http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_shinola.jpg

http://www.internetweekly.org/images...al_shinola.jpg

http://www.freshwidow.com/bradscomix...t_shinola1.jpg


"Chuck" wrote in message
link.net...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
Spirit of Botanical Science?

You have a very Dickensian view of the world, M&M.

And after due observation, you don't have much real knowledge
about
The
Botanical Sciences. So Others can discuss and you, as usual,
can
continue
making your inane comments.

CWR


Some of his conclusions from his observations were based on
misconceptions
and not as interesting as you may want to believe. You may
be
hoping
for
something that does not exist.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Everything else was interesting. Let the spirit of
botanical
science
thrive, let's discuss his questions.





"Cereus-validus" wrote in
message
m...
The question was already answered, meathead.

The plant was top heavy and needed to be staked.

Everything else was irrelevant.


"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have answers to this guy's awesome and
totally
interesting
question?


Mike




"Davisons Trull" wrote in message
...
Hi botanists,

Total n00b, in no way a botanist, just wondering on
plant
weirdness.
Well,
weird to me!

Heres the story...

A year ago my mum gave me a plant. Its a family
thing,
been
handed
down
through the generations - we all have one. It was
quite
a
chunky
chap
when
he was given to me. Big, thick stem, sprouting out
into
other
very
healthy
looking stems, each with big, green bulbous leaves.
Sorry,
none
of
us
know
what it is Anyway, after four weeks it just
started
falling
to
pieces.
Woah! I thought. Can't lose plant!! I had a quick
chat
with
my
mum
and
she
said it was odd, but even from a leaf they can just
grow
back,
so
I
shouldn't worry. Fair enough, I thought. So, every
bit
that
fell
off
I
re-potted and for each pot I tried different
tactics,
you
know,
to
try
and
figure out what I did to kill it the first time. All
the
little
pieces
survived, but the main plan died.

Ok. Now I have 5 plants. I I want to know where I
went
wrong,
so
I
give
them
all slightly different conditions:

1. Small pot, soil, little water, in the shade
2. Medium pot, soil, medium water, indirect
sunlight.
3. Small pot, only water, direct sunlight.
4. Large pot, soil, lots of water, direct sunlight,
baby
bio.
5. Large pot, soil, see how he survives outside

A year later, they are all still alive!

From this, I could only guess that when the main
stem
plant
fell
to
pieces
it was simply reproducing. I mean, after all, there
are
5
of
them
now
and
try as I might to get the main stem to grow it
steadfast
refused.

Anyway, thats not the freaky part. Why did I put
"plant
memory"
in
the
subject? Well. Remember plant no. 5? He didn't do
too
well
outside.
In
fact, I totally forgot he was out there until about
a
month
later.
He'd
fallen over in the wind, soil spilt everywhere and
barely
a
leaf
left.
I
picked him up, fixed the soil and brought him back
with
the
others.

Over the next few months he made a great recovery.
His
stem
grew
stronger
than the others, and took on a darker sort of
"woody"
style.
I
figured
he
was a tough nut now.

So, I come back today and.... he was growing
sideways.
Yes,
thats
right.
He
was upright yesterday, and today he has bent his
stem
90
degrees.
Its
like
he "remembered" that he fell over this time last
year,
and
so
decided
to
fall over again! Probably in preparation for "the
big
knock".

Obviously the 4 other plants are still growing
upright.

Is this "normal" plant behavior? Will I have to
train
"junior"
to
stand
up
straight, or will he "fall over" again this time
next
year?

That's complete nonsense with no basis at all in fact.

I've grown many many plants from seeds and cuttings and the only thing they
respond the same to is proper care, nothing more nothing less.

There is nothing supernatural about growing plants.


"Peter Jason" wrote in message
...
I always said plants were social, and tend to copy each other.

"Mike Martin" wrote in message
...
Does anyone have answers to this guy's awesome and totally interesting
question?


Mike




"Davisons Trull" wrote in message
...
Hi botanists,

Total n00b, in no way a botanist, just wondering on plant weirdness.
Well,
weird to me!

Heres the story...

A year ago my mum gave me a plant. Its a family thing, been handed
down
through the generations - we all have one. It was quite a chunky chap
when
he was given to me. Big, thick stem, sprouting out into other very
healthy
looking stems, each with big, green bulbous leaves. Sorry, none of us
know
what it is Anyway, after four weeks it just started falling to
pieces.
Woah! I thought. Can't lose plant!! I had a quick chat with my mum and
she
said it was odd, but even from a leaf they can just grow back, so I
shouldn't worry. Fair enough, I thought. So, every bit that fell off I
re-potted and for each pot I tried different tactics, you know, to try
and
figure out what I did to kill it the first time. All the little pieces
survived, but the main plan died.

Ok. Now I have 5 plants. I I want to know where I went wrong, so I
give
them
all slightly different conditions:

1. Small pot, soil, little water, in the shade
2. Medium pot, soil, medium water, indirect sunlight.
3. Small pot, only water, direct sunlight.
4. Large pot, soil, lots of water, direct sunlight, baby bio.
5. Large pot, soil, see how he survives outside

A year later, they are all still alive!

From this, I could only guess that when the main stem plant fell to
pieces
it was simply reproducing. I mean, after all, there are 5 of them now
and
try as I might to get the main stem to grow it steadfast refused.

Anyway, thats not the freaky part. Why did I put "plant memory" in the
subject? Well. Remember plant no. 5? He didn't do too well outside. In
fact, I totally forgot he was out there until about a month later.
He'd
fallen over in the wind, soil spilt everywhere and barely a leaf left.
I
picked him up, fixed the soil and brought him back with the others.

Over the next few months he made a great recovery. His stem grew
stronger
than the others, and took on a darker sort of "woody" style. I figured
he
was a tough nut now.

So, I come back today and.... he was growing sideways. Yes, thats
right.
He
was upright yesterday, and today he has bent his stem 90 degrees. Its
like
he "remembered" that he fell over this time last year, and so decided
to
fall over again! Probably in preparation for "the big knock".

Obviously the 4 other plants are still growing upright.

Is this "normal" plant behavior? Will I have to train "junior" to
stand
up
straight, or will he "fall over" again this time next year?

There you go again, Iris, trying to be the group's mother and trying to make
everything nice and harmonious.

So you are including agricultural, horticulture, natural history and
chemistry in botany too? Not exactly the same thing are they?

Would you consider "library science" a science too? Do librarians ever use
the scientific method?


"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
It's true botany is botany, but I think one can use the term botanical
sciences
to refer to the group of related studies, such as taxonomy, botanical
biochemistry, ethnobotany, agronomy, plant nutrition, etc. as well as
botany
itself.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

You should know the answer. After all you know everything. My 12 year old
grandson says he knows everything too..But then he's only 12. Are you?

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
There you go again, Iris, trying to be the group's mother and trying to
make
everything nice and harmonious.

So you are including agricultural, horticulture, natural history and
chemistry in botany too? Not exactly the same thing are they?

Would you consider "library science" a science too? Do librarians ever use
the scientific method?


"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
It's true botany is botany, but I think one can use the term botanical
sciences
to refer to the group of related studies, such as taxonomy, botanical
biochemistry, ethnobotany, agronomy, plant nutrition, etc. as well as
botany
itself.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

You sure are one bitter old curmudgeon mofo, aren't you grumpy gramps? Have
you had a bowel movement this week, old timer, or are you saving it up labor
day? There is no question what you are full of!!!


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
You should know the answer. After all you know everything. My 12 year
old
grandson says he knows everything too..But then he's only 12. Are you?

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
There you go again, Iris, trying to be the group's mother and trying to
make
everything nice and harmonious.

So you are including agricultural, horticulture, natural history and
chemistry in botany too? Not exactly the same thing are they?

Would you consider "library science" a science too? Do librarians ever
use
the scientific method?


"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
It's true botany is botany, but I think one can use the term botanical
sciences
to refer to the group of related studies, such as taxonomy, botanical
biochemistry, ethnobotany, agronomy, plant nutrition, etc. as well as
botany
itself.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

And you say you're not a troll. If not then what are you? A self educated
jerk!

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
You sure are one bitter old curmudgeon mofo, aren't you grumpy gramps?
Have
you had a bowel movement this week, old timer, or are you saving it up
labor
day? There is no question what you are full of!!!


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
You should know the answer. After all you know everything. My 12 year
old
grandson says he knows everything too..But then he's only 12. Are you?

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
There you go again, Iris, trying to be the group's mother and trying
to
make
everything nice and harmonious.

So you are including agricultural, horticulture, natural history and
chemistry in botany too? Not exactly the same thing are they?

Would you consider "library science" a science too? Do librarians ever
use
the scientific method?


"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
It's true botany is botany, but I think one can use the term
botanical
sciences
to refer to the group of related studies, such as taxonomy,
botanical
biochemistry, ethnobotany, agronomy, plant nutrition, etc. as well
as
botany
itself.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

So you are including agricultural, horticulture, natural history and
chemistry in botany too? Not exactly the same thing are they?

I never said they were.

Would you consider "library science" a science too? Do librarians ever use
the scientific method?

It depends on your definition of the word science.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

s******



"Chuck" wrote in message
hlink.net...
And you say you're not a troll. If not then what are you? A self
educated
jerk!

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
You sure are one bitter old curmudgeon mofo, aren't you grumpy gramps?
Have
you had a bowel movement this week, old timer, or are you saving it up
labor
day? There is no question what you are full of!!!


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
You should know the answer. After all you know everything. My 12
year
old
grandson says he knows everything too..But then he's only 12. Are
you?

CWR


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
There you go again, Iris, trying to be the group's mother and trying
to
make
everything nice and harmonious.

So you are including agricultural, horticulture, natural history and
chemistry in botany too? Not exactly the same thing are they?

Would you consider "library science" a science too? Do librarians
ever
use
the scientific method?


"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
It's true botany is botany, but I think one can use the term
botanical
sciences
to refer to the group of related studies, such as taxonomy,
botanical
biochemistry, ethnobotany, agronomy, plant nutrition, etc. as well
as
botany
itself.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)