Koi-Lo wrote:

"CanadianCowboy©" wrote in message
. ..
I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my
first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any
treatment other than throwing them in.
========================
I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the
floating plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water.
Koi will still nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth
doesn't thrive.

I have a light fish load in my barrel pond, so I have to add potassium
nitrate for mine. If you add a bit of potassium phosphate, they'll all
flower. Sometimes they look a touch chlorotic and then I add some
hydroponic iron/trace element fertilizer.

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well I got some of those palm sized river rocks in there with gravel around, but yes,
eventually I find them reaching over the rim. And I have a large short black tub for
the one lily I have covers most of the pond. I think it is 24 inch diameter. this
Texas dawn is huge. http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/7-15-2003f.jpg
it covers most of 1/2 of the pond. it sits on a ledge.
Ingrid

Paul wrote:

That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot?

Paul


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for koi, I do use those big palm sized river rock to keep the kids out of the pot. I
only repot every 3 years, and altho it is messy I dont have a problem with the roots
wrapped around the gravel. I set up the new tub with good loam been sitting in water
for a few hours, just plunge the root down into the muck then bring it back up to the
correct height. plug in the fert tabs and cover with rocks and gravel.

my comment about pea gravel is what I been told by Marilyn Buscher
http://home.wi.rr.com/windyoaks/ who wholesales to the Illinois and Wisconsin. She
has tried almost everything out there to make dividing, transplant and transport
easier.
Ingrid

Derek Broughton wrote:
The
only problem with pea gravel is not that it doesn't provide nutrients -
it's just an almighty pain to try dividing a lily whose roots have grown
around a couple of kilos of gravel! The only thing wrong with Ingrid's
suggestion, ime, is that topping the soil with gravel still ends up with
the roots all around the gravel. It's only there to keep the koi out of
the plant, and I'd use much larger stones (after all, koi can move pea
gravel, anyway).


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"Altum" wrote in message
. com...
I have a light fish load in my barrel pond, so I have to add potassium
nitrate for mine. If you add a bit of potassium phosphate, they'll all
flower. Sometimes they look a touch chlorotic and then I add some
hydroponic iron/trace element fertilizer.
=======================
Do you know a good online place to buy hydroponic fertilizers? I can't find
anywhere local that sells the stuff.

Thanks.
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Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Koi-Lo wrote:
"CanadianCowboy©" wrote in message
. ..
I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first
year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other
than throwing them in.
========================
I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating
plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will still
nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive.


Carolyn Adamo Gulley
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345

Is a confirmed liar and slanderer, all around Usenet Kook.
Before plaguing ARJW with her nonsense, she use to plague the Health NG
do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more details.

http://tinyurl.com/99azt
http://tinyurl.com/87ow4
http://tinyurl.com/d6t5m
http://tinyurl.com/aheek
http://tinyurl.com/ck97r
http://tinyurl.com/cm3dp
http://tinyurl.com/8bscg
http://tinyurl.com/7epdg
http://tinyurl.com/bya3z

When she is best by a man she accuse him of stalking

http://tinyurl.com/8wryt

She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing.
Her intent on ARJW is to slander JW's, and she has been doing this for
the last 10 years.
She also claims she is an expert on Fis and aquariums. This has been a
confirmed lie as well. All her advice comes from other sources, which
plagerize and claims as her own.

Before you reply to her on any topic , you may want to ask her a few
things or only one.
_Where does she get her information?
_Can her information be verified?
_Is the information up to date?
_What is the purpose of her post?

On the topic of JW's does she present reliable facts about JW's
or sling mud on a religious organization in good standing in almost
every country in the world?


O the topic of fish, ask where she got her information, and since she
replies on several aquarium newsgroups, where does she gets the time to
do what she claim she does?
an analysis oof he usenet posting indicates sge is glued to her
keyboard harrassing JW's.

Carol is well known Nut case in Mt Juliet TN. Don't belive me? Call
her Sheriff, they will tell you stories; call them yourselves:

Rutherford County Sheriff's Office
940 New Salem Highway
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37129
615-898-7770

In any case ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with
your conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time
and bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and
fabricated information. This is how she manipulates clueless
bystanders in participating with her distributing false information
elsewhere?

Facts about Carol:

*She can never present evidence.
*She never reveals the source of her info (because there is none). Her
common reply, is: "everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why
bring it up?
*She always hides her identity. And change her header to avoid
killfiles. A TOS offense
*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail
addresses
;which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them:



If your newsgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP that is off
topic you can report her. Her account is dpc6682112001.direcpc.com and
you may report her by calling 1-800-DirecPC, by emailing us at
, or by writing to:

DirecPC
Customer Care Center
11717 Exploration Lane
Germantown, MD 20876 USA

Her use of remailers can still be traced to her account.No American ISP
like to be
associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected
under the First. It affects their commercial interest.
Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their
block List Direcpc.com

Why does Carol behave as she does?


Carolyn Adamo Gulley of Mt Juliet Tn. Is a life long underachiever.
She did not finish High school in NYC, and lived as a biker gangsters
in the 60's and 70's. She claims on her former website that she has 2
failed
marriages and blames God for her poor choices. It is alleged that she
lost custody of her only son due to substance abuse, (never been
proven however). Dumped in TN by her Second husband, Quote-quote, with
no place to go.


She also has failed attempts at being a JW. She could never attain
their moral standards as dictated in the scriptures, and thus been at
war with them ever since. This has made her a very mentally unstable
woman, her hatred is intense, and due to biker-substance abuse
lifestyle, she now needs aid of a pacemaker.

By reporting her to her ISP, she is made aware, that she is alone in
her insane crusade full of false hoods and forgeries., and that you
the reader does not support hate speech against any religion or person.


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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:27:29 +0000 (UTC), (Richard
Sexton) wrote:

Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong?

In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters
it's suggested you use manure,

Yeee-ow, you use manure, you get green pond. Been there, done that. My
ponds were ready for St. Pat's day that year. I'd only redone 2 pots,
pulled them out, used my unadulterated sandy soil, clear pond in 2 days,
thanks to a good filter. ~ jan ;o)


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

Koi-Lo wrote:

"Altum" wrote in message
. com...
I have a light fish load in my barrel pond, so I have to add potassium
nitrate for mine. If you add a bit of potassium phosphate, they'll
all flower. Sometimes they look a touch chlorotic and then I add some
hydroponic iron/trace element fertilizer.
=======================
Do you know a good online place to buy hydroponic fertilizers? I can't
find anywhere local that sells the stuff.

Thanks.

http://www.gregwatson.com. Plantex CSM+B is great stuff and he carries
the bulk potassium nitrate and potassium phosphate.

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:16:24 -0500, CanadianCowboy©
wrote:

I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my
first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any
treatment other than throwing them in.

Thanks in advance !

Before throwing any fertilizer in, check your pH. If the pH is too high or
low, you can throw all the fert. you want in, and the plant will still fail
to thrive. ~ jan


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

~ janj wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:16:24 -0500, CanadianCowboy©
wrote:

I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my
first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any
treatment other than throwing them in.

Thanks in advance !

Before throwing any fertilizer in, check your pH. If the pH is too high or
low, you can throw all the fert. you want in, and the plant will still fail
to thrive. ~ jan


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

Do you know "off hand" what the PH level should be ?
What is the most economical way of testing ?
What can I do to raise or lower it ?

Thanks !

Texas dawn is huge. http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/7-15-2003f.jpg
it covers most of 1/2 of the pond. it sits on a ledge. Ingrid

Absolutely gorgeous picture. The water, the weathered the wood, the
greenery/flowers, really cool. Reminds me of being on a dock (weathered
wood) on the lake I grew up by. I was involved with "fish"ing then too.
~ jan


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

Before throwing any fertilizer in, check your pH. If the pH is too high or
low, you can throw all the fert. you want in, and the plant will still fail
to thrive. ~ jan

Do you know "off hand" what the PH level should be ?
What is the most economical way of testing ?
What can I do to raise or lower it ?

For most aquatic plants that we hobbyist use, 6.8 - 8.4. As far as a test
kit, I like the Hagen/Nutrafin Wide Range test. It tests from 4.5-9.0. One
should have on hand a KH test also. Without a good KH reading your pH will
jump all over the place.

Fixing a pH problem is on a case by case basis, but to raise pH, baking
soda works great, plus it adds buffering. To lower pH is a touchier subject
and I won't address it at this time, questions need to be asked an answered
before preceding with lowering one's pH. ~ jan )


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

"Altum" wrote in message
m...

http://www.gregwatson.com. Plantex CSM+B is great stuff and he carries
the bulk potassium nitrate and potassium phosphate.
=================
Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble
iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this place
out.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on rec.ponds.*
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Richard Sexton wrote:

In article ,
Derek Broughton wrote:
otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd
agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for
them to be happy.

How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go
for my little barrels.

You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either.
Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish
produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not
in soil.

State of the art 1904 thinking. Innes would agree with you. But we've
come a long way since then and proper plant nutrition needs much much more
tha fish waste. They will *grow* to be sure, but they will grow much much
better with proper food.

Oh, crap (literally). I had a not very heavily populated 5000 gallon pond.
My deep lilies would, every year, develop sufficient foliage to lift the
tubers a foot or two off the bottom of the pond. We're talking about 18"
or longer tubers, with 100sq.ft. of pads, and dozens of blooms. If I could
have made them grow better with "food" I'd have to have been nuts to do it!

Do you actually have a pond Richard? I _know_ you're an aquarium expert,
but I seriously doubt your pond experience. Compost is NOT a good idea for
a planted _fish_ pond.
--
derek

wrote:

for koi, I do use those big palm sized river rock to keep the kids out of
the pot. I only repot every 3 years, and altho it is messy I dont have a
problem with the roots
wrapped around the gravel. I set up the new tub with good loam been
sitting in water for a few hours, just plunge the root down into the muck
then bring it back up to the
correct height. plug in the fert tabs and cover with rocks and gravel.

my comment about pea gravel is what I been told by Marilyn Buscher
http://home.wi.rr.com/windyoaks/ who wholesales to the Illinois and
Wisconsin. She
has tried almost everything out there to make dividing, transplant and
transport easier.

Well, I know people do it, and I guess others haven't had as much trouble as
I did, but I can't see how dividing anything can be easier than dividing
bare-root lilies :-) Richard's comment that "they will grow much much
better with proper food" definitely applies when you're a commercial grower
- then you want to fertilize and divide as often as possible. Me, I stick
to bare-root because they do well enough that I have to divide annually.
--
derek

"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
...
Well, I know people do it, and I guess others haven't had as much trouble
as
I did, but I can't see how dividing anything can be easier than dividing
bare-root lilies :-) Richard's comment that "they will grow much much
better with proper food" definitely applies when you're a commercial
grower
- then you want to fertilize and divide as often as possible. Me, I stick
to bare-root because they do well enough that I have to divide annually.
=================
The year I tried to grow mine bare-root and a few in just pea gravel they
didn't thrive at all. They grew small leaves and there were no flowers. I
went back to using rich topsoil and Jobe's fertilizer spikes. They grow
leaves as large as dinner plates and flower for several months.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.*
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