This is not my area of expertise but
I wanted to say *hi Annie!, and welcome
to rec.ponds* :-)

Have you seen the green water tips?




k30a

In article ,
(Szpond) wrote:

I'm the one that asked what the BZT does. I did call and order it. They said
I should get the 1# size ($80 with shipping) to last me the season. Should
arrive on Monday, I'll post my results, cause my pond is in really bad, nasty
looking state. Floating algae everywhere and green water. YUCK! Thanks for
all your input, Cathy

This is what you told them on the phone "...green water" and they Rx
this?

I think you will be better served with a UV if the above is what you are
trying to solve... 4 days and the green water would be gone.

UV use often comes down to 'opportunity cost.' If your season is 4 or 5
months do you want to have 3-4 weeks of green. In spring, I especially
want to be able to see my koi too.

jay
Thu, May 29, 2003


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Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

Still nobody willing to tell me what this stuff is or what
bi-products it produces ... all I've ever got from anyone was
it's an enzyme... sure... and Heroin is Herbal Supplement...

(Yeah I know it's a nasty comment but I am very suspicious of
secret ingredients)




BZT® AQUACULTU

* Eliminates odors by breaking down organic bottom solids where gas
is created and released. Specialized bacteria and enzymes also break
down ammonia before it causes a problem.
* Is safe for Irrigation Ponds - BZT® Aquaculture will not damage
grass like algaecides. Your grass actually benefits from the bacteria
applied during watering.
* Reduces Bottom Solids. BZT® Aquaculture bacteria and enzymes
accelerate the degradation of the dead organic matter.
* Improves water clarity and quality by digesting suspended
organics in the water column and degrading ammonia, hydrogen sulfide,
and other contaminates that are harmful to your ecosystem.
* Eliminates Pond Scum by digesting the primary food source
(nitrogen and phosphorus), making it unavailable for aquatic weeds.
* Stops aeration equipment fouling due to organic build up.
* Does not require permits or licenses because BZT® Aquaculture is
not an algaecide. The bacteria only attack dead organic matter.
Therefore, it does not fall under FIFRA review and does not require a
permit license to apply.
* Costs less than a fraction of a penny per gallon of water treated.

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John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

Still nobody willing to tell me what this stuff is or what
bi-products it produces ... all I've ever got from anyone was
it's an enzyme... sure... and Heroin is Herbal Supplement...

(Yeah I know it's a nasty comment but I am very suspicious of
secret ingredients)



you know about the benificial bacteria that we are always talking about
in our filters?
those the ingredients of BZT plus the Enzymes

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John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

You all are soo nice to folks especially to 'ajames' who
kept coming back for more information when Bonnie E.
Zookeeper, Just me Koi, etc posted such informative
stuff on BZT. I just came unglued when
he kept asking the same questions over again.
If I hurt anyone's feelings, I am sorry.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"John Rutz" wrote in message
...



Still nobody willing to tell me what this stuff is or what
bi-products it produces ... all I've ever got from anyone was
it's an enzyme... sure... and Heroin is Herbal Supplement...

(Yeah I know it's a nasty comment but I am very suspicious of
secret ingredients)



you know about the benificial bacteria that we are always talking about
in our filters?
those the ingredients of BZT plus the Enzymes

--





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

On Fri, 30 May 2003 03:15:05 GMT, "Nedra"
wrote:

You all are soo nice to folks especially to 'ajames' who
kept coming back for more information when Bonnie E.
Zookeeper, Just me Koi, etc posted such informative
stuff on BZT. I just came unglued when
he kept asking the same questions over again.
If I hurt anyone's feelings, I am sorry.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

Gee how does making one comment and a follow up equate to coming
back again and again...

Sorry I questioned your religion.. though I would suggest you get
some perspective.

you got good aeration, right? Ingrid

(Szpond) wrote:

I'm the one that asked what the BZT does. I did call and order it. They said
I should get the 1# size ($80 with shipping) to last me the season. Should
arrive on Monday, I'll post my results, cause my pond is in really bad, nasty
looking state. Floating algae everywhere and green water. YUCK! Thanks for
all your input, Cathy

actually, first thing in spring I want green water cause my veggie filter isnt up and
running. but once it kicks in, if the water is still green then I flip on the UV.
no fish.. go with UV right away. and good aeration!!!! Ingrid

thats what DO typically means
http://cities.poly.edu/environment/g...lab/boddo.html
but it could mean dissolved organics too. Ingrid

The site says it increases DO, is that
Dissolved Oxygen? if so How?

Funny you mention that Ingrid...

I have been wondering why I had green water this year. Let me explain.

Al previous 4 years I had string algae kick in in spring. Easy to remove,
no harm done, christal clear water.

This year, my pond got deeper, only doubled the surface but six-drupled (is
that a word ? :-) the capacity. Good aeration, filtration, no
overstocking, decent design, no crud from last year yada yada.

Now early on I put some watercress in my stream, because I had heard so many
good stories about it. It started to grow like mad, and the string algae
that has started to form in March (both waterfall & pond) dissapeared into
nowhere. Amazing. "Great!" I thought.

Next thing I know the pond goes green in a few days.

Being a chequebook ponder ;-) I ran out for a UV and after 3 days I can see
4 ft down again.

Does anyone ever have both string & suspended algae at the same time ?
Because it is a lot easier to clean out string algae than suspended algae.

Seems to me it's a mighty delicate balance in those ponds...

Like your idea of having a bit of green water until the filters are on full
whack though...

My other pond (turtles) had lots of string algae but "chrystal clear" water.
Same climate, same owner, etc...
schreef in bericht
...
actually, first thing in spring I want green water cause my veggie filter
isnt up and
running. but once it kicks in, if the water is still green then I flip on
the UV.
no fish.. go with UV right away. and good aeration!!!! Ingrid

In article ,
wrote:

actually, first thing in spring I want green water cause my veggie filter
isnt up and
running. but once it kicks in, if the water is still green then I flip on
the UV.
no fish.. go with UV right away. and good aeration!!!! Ingrid



Why do you want to create all this bio-mass that will end up decaying in
your pond ?

jay
Fri, May 30, 2003


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Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

I have heard string and pea soup algae are mutually exclusive. when I wander down to
streams in spring to get water and critter samples for my students I always find
string algae abundant in flowing crystal clear water. once the string algae shows
up, the pea soup goes. however. I been feeding my pack and I think I overdid it AND
I replanted the lilies and put in fert spikes, so maybe I contributed to the problem
that way too.
When my pond wakes up in spring and the pack starts getting fed I check every day for
ammonia levels if the water is clear. once it goes pea soup I know the wastes are
being used up then it clears up to a certain extent and then I turn on the UV and
the water is clear (well yellowish a bit) but there is no ammonia once the veggie
filter kicks in. Ingrid

"Theo van Daele" wrote:
Does anyone ever have both string & suspended algae at the same time ?
Because it is a lot easier to clean out string algae than suspended algae.

not want, better than the fish being toxed with ammonia. actually, fish fry are
grown in green water, they make it by throwing in a lot of manure or nutrients.
Ingrid

Go Fig wrote:
Why do you want to create all this bio-mass that will end up decaying in
your pond ?

In article ,
wrote:

not want, better than the fish being toxed with ammonia.


In spring I'm slow to feed and I always have someplace that has cultured
bacteria on it; sand filter, lava rock, fluid bed and that can easily
handle NH4 and NO2. In fact, they do a better job than plants...
especially for NH4.

As for fry, they do better in suspended algae... but they do even better
with base of clay/heavy mud on the bottom.

But my main concern is the adults, the one's with names- pets, and in
springtime I need to see them. As much as natural selection is needed,
it can happen in some other pond.

jay
Fri, May 30, 2003



actually, fish fry
are
grown in green water, they make it by throwing in a lot of manure or
nutrients.
Ingrid

Go Fig wrote:
Why do you want to create all this bio-mass that will end up decaying in
your pond ?

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Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

I am in zone 5. I put a "greenhouse" over my koi pond so the water stays warmer
longer in fall and warms up faster in spring. it is still a long haul for my fish
over winter with no food and no immune system. I run a bucket filter to keep water
circulating, water open and clean up some of the crud. the water is 40oF, there is
no biobug activity. the only thing that may be growing at those temps is algae.
as my pond warm up in spring my koi are at risk because the cooties are waking up
before the immune system. they are hungry. I feed them so they have the nutrients
needed for energy and to build their immune system as it comes online at temps above
55oF. But when I start feeding them the biobugs are not up and running even in the
bucket filter. there is a transient ammonia spike that lasts a few days and then the
algae kicks in and takes out the wastes. in fact, the biobugs dont do really well
until the temp is around 65-70 or so. but the plants are growing already .. as is the
algae. I move them from the inside where they are growing into the veggie filter,
then I turn on the pump to the veggie filter and move the filter material from the
bucket to the veggie filter. Ingrid

Go Fig wrote:
In spring I'm slow to feed and I always have someplace that has cultured
bacteria on it; sand filter, lava rock, fluid bed and that can easily
handle NH4 and NO2. In fact, they do a better job than plants...
especially for NH4.