I got the phone number for ordering the BZT off an earlier post, but I never
did see any posts that tell us what BZT does? I know the ponder special is an
8 oz. size, but I haven't called for the price yet, seeing how much their other
stuff is, I'm sure it is pricey. Please tell us exactly what BZT does for the
pond, and how long 8 ozs. will last (4,500 gallon pond). And yes, I still have
the floating algae problem. Thanks, Cathy

Szpond wrote:
I got the phone number for ordering the BZT off an earlier post, but I never
did see any posts that tell us what BZT does? I know the ponder special is an
8 oz. size, but I haven't called for the price yet, seeing how much their other
stuff is, I'm sure it is pricey. Please tell us exactly what BZT does for the
pond, and how long 8 ozs. will last (4,500 gallon pond). And yes, I still have
the floating algae problem. Thanks, Cathy

I love the stuff and think it is the reason my pond is a
delight instead of another big chore.
From the fact sheet you receive when you buy the product:
Eliminates Odors, Reduce Bottom Solids, Eliminates Pond
Scum, Stops Aeration equipment fouling, Improves water
clarity and quality, cost less than a fraction of a penny
per gallon of water treated.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

8 oz would last you the season with probably a bit left over. ~ jan


Szpond wrote:
I got the phone number for ordering the BZT off an earlier post, but I never
did see any posts that tell us what BZT does? I know the ponder special is an
8 oz. size, but I haven't called for the price yet, seeing how much their other
stuff is, I'm sure it is pricey. Please tell us exactly what BZT does for the
pond, and how long 8 ozs. will last (4,500 gallon pond). And yes, I still have
the floating algae problem. Thanks, Cathy

I love the stuff and think it is the reason my pond is a
delight instead of another big chore.
From the fact sheet you receive when you buy the product:
Eliminates Odors, Reduce Bottom Solids, Eliminates Pond
Scum, Stops Aeration equipment fouling, Improves water
clarity and quality, cost less than a fraction of a penny
per gallon of water treated.


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

8 oz sure didn't last me a season. Had to re-order last fall.
My pond is supposed to be 3,000 gallons. Never did do
the salt thingy .... to find out for sure how much big it really is.
Nedra

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
8 oz would last you the season with probably a bit left over. ~ jan


Szpond wrote:
I got the phone number for ordering the BZT off an earlier post, but I
never
did see any posts that tell us what BZT does? I know the ponder
special is an
8 oz. size, but I haven't called for the price yet, seeing how much
their other
stuff is, I'm sure it is pricey. Please tell us exactly what BZT does
for the
pond, and how long 8 ozs. will last (4,500 gallon pond). And yes, I
still have
the floating algae problem. Thanks, Cathy

I love the stuff and think it is the reason my pond is a
delight instead of another big chore.
From the fact sheet you receive when you buy the product:
Eliminates Odors, Reduce Bottom Solids, Eliminates Pond
Scum, Stops Aeration equipment fouling, Improves water
clarity and quality, cost less than a fraction of a penny
per gallon of water treated.


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

On 29 May 2003 10:58:02 GMT, (Szpond) wrote:

I got the phone number for ordering the BZT off an earlier post, but I never
did see any posts that tell us what BZT does? I know the ponder special is an
8 oz. size, but I haven't called for the price yet, seeing how much their other
stuff is, I'm sure it is pricey. Please tell us exactly what BZT does for the
pond, and how long 8 ozs. will last (4,500 gallon pond). And yes, I still have
the floating algae problem. Thanks, Cathy


Still nobody willing to tell me what this stuff is or what
bi-products it produces ... all I've ever got from anyone was
it's an enzyme... sure... and Heroin is Herbal Supplement...

(Yeah I know it's a nasty comment but I am very suspicious of
secret ingredients)

You can see what double talk the maker has to say here .........

http://www.united-tech.com/m-aq-toc.html

Okay 'ajames' ... it "eats" the gunk off the bottom. That is as\
scientific as I can get. It is a microencapsulated enzyme... Which
tells me nothing because I don't anything about chemistry. Other
products on the market do the same thing... just not as cheaply
(or as thoroughly).

All I know is that it works .... when a person cannot see
the bottom of her pond before use - Use it - then after 2 days
the bottom is CLEAN .... well, that is proof enough for me.
No mumbo-jumbo about it.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"ajames54" wrote in message
...
On 29 May 2003 10:58:02 GMT, (Szpond) wrote:

I got the phone number for ordering the BZT off an earlier post, but I
never
did see any posts that tell us what BZT does? I know the ponder special
is an
8 oz. size, but I haven't called for the price yet, seeing how much their
other
stuff is, I'm sure it is pricey. Please tell us exactly what BZT does
for the
pond, and how long 8 ozs. will last (4,500 gallon pond). And yes, I
still have
the floating algae problem. Thanks, Cathy


Still nobody willing to tell me what this stuff is or what
bi-products it produces ... all I've ever got from anyone was
it's an enzyme... sure... and Heroin is Herbal Supplement...

(Yeah I know it's a nasty comment but I am very suspicious of
secret ingredients)

ajames54 wrote:
On 29 May 2003 10:58:02 GMT, (Szpond) wrote:


I got the phone number for ordering the BZT off an earlier post, but I never
did see any posts that tell us what BZT does? I know the ponder special is an
8 oz. size, but I haven't called for the price yet, seeing how much their other
stuff is, I'm sure it is pricey. Please tell us exactly what BZT does for the
pond, and how long 8 ozs. will last (4,500 gallon pond). And yes, I still have
the floating algae problem. Thanks, Cathy



Still nobody willing to tell me what this stuff is or what
bi-products it produces ... all I've ever got from anyone was
it's an enzyme... sure... and Heroin is Herbal Supplement...

(Yeah I know it's a nasty comment but I am very suspicious of
secret ingredients)




You asked what it did for the pond and I did my best to tell
you. You didn't ask what is was the first time. Also from
the brochu "BZT Aquaculture's bacteria/enzyme strains
are indigenous, non-pathogenic, naturally occuring bacteria.
They are completely safe and FDA GRAS listed as safe for
humans, animals and plant life."
It's not a secret ingredient it's bacteria that naturally
occurs in ponds. By adding BZT we are giving the bacteria
in the pond an extra boost for bio-filters.
We are not selling BZT we are simply telling you our
experiences and how much we like the stuff! You don't have
to believe us or buy it, that is your choice.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

On Thu, 29 May 2003 18:53:24 GMT, "Nedra"
wrote:

Okay 'ajames' ... it "eats" the gunk off the bottom. That is as\
scientific as I can get. It is a microencapsulated enzyme... Which
tells me nothing because I don't anything about chemistry. Other
products on the market do the same thing... just not as cheaply
(or as thoroughly).

All I know is that it works .... when a person cannot see
the bottom of her pond before use - Use it - then after 2 days
the bottom is CLEAN .... well, that is proof enough for me.
No mumbo-jumbo about it.


I read the manufacturers site... (thanks Hank) and it is pretty
clear that it does do what it claims to do, not least because
there are people here who know what they are doing who verify the
results

My issues are mostly along the lines of what else is it doing....

They claim it is a bacteria and an enzyme... is the bacteria
aerobic? anaerobic? The site says it increases DO, is that
Dissolved Oxygen? if so How?

the site says it consumes/reduces Nitrogen and Phosphorous ... my
plants need nitrogen and phosphorous.

the site says it consumes ammonia ... my bio filter needs (well
uses anyway) ammonia.

the big issue is this...
So it eats all the nasties... what does it do with them?
The law of Conservation of Mass says the nasties have to go
somewhere .. but where do they go? Does the Bacteria simply
continue reproduction until such time as there is nothing left to
feed on then die back (releasing all the nasties for the next
cycle growth)?

The stuff has to go somewhere ... just because you can't see it
does not mean it is gone ... I just can't help but think of a
loaded gun just lying there ready to go off...

On Thu, 29 May 2003 19:01:08 GMT, Bonnie Espenshade
wrote:

ajames54 wrote:
On 29 May 2003 10:58:02 GMT, (Szpond) wrote:

You asked what it did for the pond and I did my best to tell
you.

Wasn't me asking the first time... my nasty comment was my first
comment... I'm sure the person who actually asked the question in
the first place is properly grateful for the response...

I was just sticking my oar in on my own agenda.

ajames54 wrote:

I read the manufacturers site... (thanks Hank) and it is pretty
clear that it does do what it claims to do, not least because
there are people here who know what they are doing who verify the
results

My issues are mostly along the lines of what else is it doing....

...

the big issue is this...
So it eats all the nasties... what does it do with them?
The law of Conservation of Mass says the nasties have to go
somewhere .. but where do they go? Does the Bacteria simply
continue reproduction until such time as there is nothing left to
feed on then die back (releasing all the nasties for the next
cycle growth)?

The stuff has to go somewhere ... just because you can't see it
does not mean it is gone ... I just can't help but think of a
loaded gun just lying there ready to go off...

I think you should send these questions directly to the manufacturer;
they are the only ones who can truly answer them unless someone here is
a chemist and has done research into the bacteria / enzyme mixture in BZT.
--
zookeeper

If you send these questions to the manufacturer and get an answer, do you
mind sharing the answer with this group? Thanks in advance.

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"ajames54" wrote in message
My issues are mostly along the lines of what else is it doing....

They claim it is a bacteria and an enzyme... is the bacteria
aerobic? anaerobic? The site says it increases DO, is that
Dissolved Oxygen? if so How?

the site says it consumes/reduces Nitrogen and Phosphorous ... my
plants need nitrogen and phosphorous.

the site says it consumes ammonia ... my bio filter needs (well
uses anyway) ammonia.

the big issue is this...
So it eats all the nasties... what does it do with them?
The law of Conservation of Mass says the nasties have to go
somewhere .. but where do they go? Does the Bacteria simply
continue reproduction until such time as there is nothing left to
feed on then die back (releasing all the nasties for the next
cycle growth)?

The stuff has to go somewhere ... just because you can't see it
does not mean it is gone ... I just can't help but think of a
loaded gun just lying there ready to go off...

Personally I think you are a royal Pain in the A**.
Agenda - smelenda..... your gone!

PLUNK!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"ajames54" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 May 2003 19:01:08 GMT, Bonnie Espenshade
wrote:

ajames54 wrote:
On 29 May 2003 10:58:02 GMT, (Szpond) wrote:

You asked what it did for the pond and I did my best to tell
you.

Wasn't me asking the first time... my nasty comment was my first
comment... I'm sure the person who actually asked the question in
the first place is properly grateful for the response...

I was just sticking my oar in on my own agenda.

I'm the one that asked what the BZT does. I did call and order it. They said
I should get the 1# size ($80 with shipping) to last me the season. Should
arrive on Monday, I'll post my results, cause my pond is in really bad, nasty
looking state. Floating algae everywhere and green water. YUCK! Thanks for
all your input, Cathy

[nothing like jumping in with both feet, I always say!]

I just subscribed to rec.ponds today, in the most-likely-vain hope that I
might get some ideas for reducing algae in my teeny little "water
arden" -- a 3-footer, but it seems to be popular with the local toads
(Fowler's Toad, I think) here in eastern North Carolina.

I'm reluctant to use an algacide as my dogs drink out of the pond -- a
lot, on some days! -- and I have not yet found anything marked "safe for
animals"!

I was curious about BZT and visited the manufacturers website, which did not
enlighten me particularly.

Then, I had the idea of researching the trademark "BZT" as I just this week
learned how to use the US Patent Office website (my hubby specializes in
business valuations), and I found the info at
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=jhs800.2.2 rather
interesting (although I'm not sure what it means).

BZT was registered in October 1994 by Uni-Tech, Inc.; the trademark was
cancelled in July 2002. Here's what I find most interesting: The "goods &
services" description of the trademark is "microencapsulated bacteria,
enzymes and starting nutrients for use as catalysts in septic, farm field
debris, municipal and industrial organic waste degeneration." I don't know
about the rest of you, but to me that seems like overkill (no pun intended)
for something promoted for use in ponds & water gardens where we expect fish
to survive.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC



"Nedra" wrote in message
thlink.net...
8 oz sure didn't last me a season. Had to re-order last fall.
My pond is supposed to be 3,000 gallons. Never did do
the salt thingy .... to find out for sure how much big it really is.
Nedra

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
8 oz would last you the season with probably a bit left over. ~ jan


Szpond wrote:
I got the phone number for ordering the BZT off an earlier post, but
I
never
did see any posts that tell us what BZT does? I know the ponder
special is an
8 oz. size, but I haven't called for the price yet, seeing how much
their other
stuff is, I'm sure it is pricey. Please tell us exactly what BZT
does
for the
pond, and how long 8 ozs. will last (4,500 gallon pond). And yes, I
still have
the floating algae problem. Thanks, Cathy

I love the stuff and think it is the reason my pond is a
delight instead of another big chore.
From the fact sheet you receive when you buy the product:
Eliminates Odors, Reduce Bottom Solids, Eliminates Pond
Scum, Stops Aeration equipment fouling, Improves water
clarity and quality, cost less than a fraction of a penny
per gallon of water treated.


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website