On 11 Jun 2003 10:21:14 GMT, (GrampysGurl) wrote:

There is so much to ponding, some of us take a more casual approach where
others get into the chemical balances and botany of it, many of us are
inbetween ) Some like their fish more then others, some even breed them while
others are happy to watch their 10 cent feeder fish grow into big beauties.
Colleen

Well, I'm a nature lover. I will stock my pond, and interfere as little as
possible. I have visions of spending lazy afternoons fishing, or just
walking around the pond and watching the critters come and go. It's going to
be a retreat from the TV, phone, and computer. I may rent my camp out for
weekends, but no phones or TV's allowed. I want renters that will appreciate
our 1000's of hours of work, and nature.

Bob

Ohhh... Brag, Brag, Brag ;-)

Nedra
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"Bob Adkins" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:59:04 -0500, mad wrote:

i have goldfish in _my_ recreational pond. what do _you_ mean by a
recreational pond?

Something to make a lot of fun happen. Fishing, swimming, picnicing,
paddle
boating, and just watching mother wood ducks with their cute fluffy babies
in tow. maybe just watching the sun set over the water. Stuff like that.
These projects rarely turn out just like you envision. The pain may
outweigh
the fun.

Bob

On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:04:53 GMT, "Nedra" wrote:

Ohhh... Brag, Brag, Brag ;-)

I see it more as a failure than bragging.

My wife and I have wanted one for 30 years, and I'm just now getting it
done. I have felt like a failure for all these years.

Bob

I don't know if you already said it, but I assume your not going to use a
plastic/rubber liner in your pond?

"Bob Adkins" wrote in message
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On 11 Jun 2003 10:21:14 GMT, (GrampysGurl) wrote:

There is so much to ponding, some of us take a more casual approach where
others get into the chemical balances and botany of it, many of us are
inbetween ) Some like their fish more then others, some even breed them
while
others are happy to watch their 10 cent feeder fish grow into big
beauties.
Colleen

Well, I'm a nature lover. I will stock my pond, and interfere as little as
possible. I have visions of spending lazy afternoons fishing, or just
walking around the pond and watching the critters come and go. It's going
to
be a retreat from the TV, phone, and computer. I may rent my camp out for
weekends, but no phones or TV's allowed. I want renters that will
appreciate
our 1000's of hours of work, and nature.

Bob

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:41:32 -0400, "Bob"
wrote:

I don't know if you already said it, but I assume your not going to use a
plastic/rubber liner in your pond?

Correct. No liner.

Bob

John mentioned those of us with small ponds just post more often.....

Probably because we have more time, mowing here takes an hour with a walk
behind mulcher. ;o)

Those little ponds are sounding better all the time. :-) Bob

Yup, but we still suffer the same concerns, time, money, and liabilities.

Bob also said: Hey, look...I'm not rich or snooty.

Of course not, you're building a pond, a money pit, regardless of size. ;o)
Unless you're like me and divide up your plants and sell them (rather than
give them away like the "rich" folks can ;o)) so the pond might break even
on purchases of more plants, scarecrow sprinklers, specialty koi or
goldfish food not to mention garden art to please the pond goddess.......
and the list could go on and on for days, weeks, months.

Bob, if we're lucky and really good at what we do, you'll soon have one of
these "smaller" ponds where you'll learn, "fish are our friends, we don't
eat our friends..... unless the fish counter has already sliced, filleted
and de-boned them for us." ;o) ~ jan


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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:48:58 -0700
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:

the pond might break even
on purchases of more plants, scarecrow sprinklers, specialty koi or
goldfish food not to mention garden art to please the pond
goddess.......

I must be in severe disfavor then, for I distain garden art.
I try pleasing the Goddesses by mimicing nature around my ponds to the
best of my ability.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

I must be in severe disfavor then, for I distain garden art.
I try pleasing the Goddesses by mimicing nature around my ponds to the
best of my ability.

I wanted to mimic a natural pond on totally flat ground. I had 2 choices:
Buffalo wallow (no buffalo in Louisiana), and a meteorite hit. (they won't
allow me to use dynamite). I'll have to settle for a man-made hole, but I'll
keep everything as natural as possible. There are no rocks in Louisiana, so
I'm afraid my pond will be boring.

Bob

"Bob Adkins" wrote:
I wanted to mimic a natural pond on totally flat ground. I had 2 choices:
Buffalo wallow (no buffalo in Louisiana), and a meteorite hit. (they won't
allow me to use dynamite). I'll have to settle for a man-made hole, but
I'll
keep everything as natural as possible. There are no rocks in Louisiana,
so
I'm afraid my pond will be boring.

I'm in Louisiana too. I have a brick pond surrounded by a brick patio (not
the concrete "pavers" available at home improvement stores, real brick). The
sides are about a foot above ground level. I think it looks fine and more
attractive than a hole in the ground. I can't take credit or it, however.
It's been here for at least 60 years.

OTOH, the lack of rocks here is a BIG plus when digging a pond. I had a
friend in Connecticut that finally gave up digging one. They have no dirt
there, just rocks.


Michael Fermanis
New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply)
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Bob Adkins wrote:
I must be in severe disfavor then, for I distain garden art.
I try pleasing the Goddesses by mimicing nature around my ponds to the
best of my ability.


I wanted to mimic a natural pond on totally flat ground. I had 2 choices:
Buffalo wallow (no buffalo in Louisiana), and a meteorite hit. (they won't
allow me to use dynamite). I'll have to settle for a man-made hole, but I'll
keep everything as natural as possible. There are no rocks in Louisiana, so
I'm afraid my pond will be boring.

Bob


--
bob

I have thesame problem with no rock and flat ground in NM you might
take a peek at my pond pics for some ideas on how th make it look like
it belongs although I gotta admit yu have plenty of example there in
Louisiana btw just out of curiosity where are you




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

" friend in Connecticut that finally gave up digging one. They have no dirt
there, just rocks.
Michael Fermanis

BOY, can I second THAT! If you could hear the language and the ranting
that comes out of my mouth whenever I'm digging in or near my ponds, you'd
think I was a sailor! EVERY shovelful, without exception, finds me
hitting either rock or root. I can't even imagine what it would be like to
actually "dig" for three or four shovelfuls without having to stop to loosen
and remove a rock in between. I guess the labor in digging my ponds makes
me love them that much more. Will I ever do it again? Of course, silly!
Sue

"Sue Alexandre" wrote:
BOY, can I second THAT! If you could hear the language and the ranting
that comes out of my mouth whenever I'm digging in or near my ponds, you'd
think I was a sailor!...Will I ever do it again? Of course, silly!
Sue


I can commiserate. I lived in CT for years and even the smallest excavation
required heavy equipment. Shovels were sold merely to fool the tourists.

If it weren't for the Mississippi River, there would be no Louisiana. The
entire southern part is delta, and the only dirt is that washed down and
deposited as silt. There are no (and I mean NO) rocks of any sort or size.
You could dig a hole to China if you wanted.

OTOH, the elevation of southern Louisiana is barely above sea level, and New
Orleans is mostly below. So we have dozens of canals that collect the water
and huge pumping stations that put it in Lake Pontchartrain or the river. As
you might expect, the water table is about 3 feet below ground level so
digging a hole (even a relatively shallow one) quickly results in a hole
full of water. So you'd have to wear scuba gear if you wanted to dig to
China.

Michael Fermanis
New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply)
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I hear you there.....Here in Spokane Wa. I don't call it digging, I call it
rock farming :-)

"MLF" wrote in message
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"Bob Adkins" wrote:
I wanted to mimic a natural pond on totally flat ground. I had 2
choices:
Buffalo wallow (no buffalo in Louisiana), and a meteorite hit. (they
won't
allow me to use dynamite). I'll have to settle for a man-made hole, but
I'll
keep everything as natural as possible. There are no rocks in Louisiana,
so
I'm afraid my pond will be boring.

I'm in Louisiana too. I have a brick pond surrounded by a brick patio (not
the concrete "pavers" available at home improvement stores, real brick).
The
sides are about a foot above ground level. I think it looks fine and more
attractive than a hole in the ground. I can't take credit or it, however.
It's been here for at least 60 years.

OTOH, the lack of rocks here is a BIG plus when digging a pond. I had a
friend in Connecticut that finally gave up digging one. They have no dirt
there, just rocks.


Michael Fermanis
New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply)
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So where is it that all of us ponders should move to where we can find a
happy medium?????? (thoughts of retiring in 10 or 15 years and doing
nothing but ponding all day dances through my head). Oh, and that brings
up another prerequisite..... I want to pond 12 months out of the year!
Sue

"MLF" wrote in message
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"Sue Alexandre" wrote:
BOY, can I second THAT! If you could hear the language and the
ranting
that comes out of my mouth whenever I'm digging in or near my ponds,
you'd
think I was a sailor!...Will I ever do it again? Of course, silly!
Sue


I can commiserate. I lived in CT for years and even the smallest
excavation
required heavy equipment. Shovels were sold merely to fool the tourists.

If it weren't for the Mississippi River, there would be no Louisiana. The
entire southern part is delta, and the only dirt is that washed down and
deposited as silt. There are no (and I mean NO) rocks of any sort or size.
You could dig a hole to China if you wanted.

OTOH, the elevation of southern Louisiana is barely above sea level, and
New
Orleans is mostly below. So we have dozens of canals that collect the
water
and huge pumping stations that put it in Lake Pontchartrain or the river.
As
you might expect, the water table is about 3 feet below ground level so
digging a hole (even a relatively shallow one) quickly results in a hole
full of water. So you'd have to wear scuba gear if you wanted to dig to
China.

Michael Fermanis
New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply)
================================================== ===========

On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:38:05 -0500, "MLF" wrote:


OTOH, the lack of rocks here is a BIG plus when digging a pond. I had a
friend in Connecticut that finally gave up digging one. They have no dirt
there, just rocks.

Yea, I've heard about the misshapen potatoes grown in New England. :-)

Coincidentally, I'm about to build a brick patio. I'm not looking forward to
it. I may wait for the first cool snap this Sept-Oct. :-)

Bob