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Bio-balls vrs Springflo vrs Bio-fill
I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't
working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Springflo ribbon media and Bio-fill seem to be similar in concept, but different materials (PVC vrs Polypropylene/calcium carbonate). It would appear the big advantage of these is the ease of cleaning. I'm a little concerned about their durability, however. Bio-balls on the other hand would appear to be more likely to trap solids, and I'm concerned about cleaning, as well as durability. Does anyone have any suggestions on these, especially their durability? Thanks, PlainBill |
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I have the Springflow and love it. I have two spools in a 50 gallon horse
barrel (my sump) for about three years now. I shake it out about once month when it is warm and once in spring. I highly recommend it. "PlainBill" wrote in message ... I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Springflo ribbon media and Bio-fill seem to be similar in concept, but different materials (PVC vrs Polypropylene/calcium carbonate). It would appear the big advantage of these is the ease of cleaning. I'm a little concerned about their durability, however. Bio-balls on the other hand would appear to be more likely to trap solids, and I'm concerned about cleaning, as well as durability. Does anyone have any suggestions on these, especially their durability? Thanks, PlainBill |
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I have Springflo for my filter. I find it very easy to clean when filter
gets over gunked. Bio balls where messy and had to be dumped out hosed down and picked up and placed back in filter and to me they didn't "feel" like they did the job like Springflo. 135 gallon pond. Tetra PF-1 Filter- came with bioballs. 2 Over sized Ruykin Goldfish - who are about to be enrolled in "Jenny Craig" if they don't lose some weight. jerry "laskdfpoiwq" wrote in message news:w1RKa.29421$Bg.16302@rwcrnsc54... I have the Springflow and love it. I have two spools in a 50 gallon horse barrel (my sump) for about three years now. I shake it out about once month when it is warm and once in spring. I highly recommend it. "PlainBill" wrote in message ... I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Springflo ribbon media and Bio-fill seem to be similar in concept, but different materials (PVC vrs Polypropylene/calcium carbonate). It would appear the big advantage of these is the ease of cleaning. I'm a little concerned about their durability, however. Bio-balls on the other hand would appear to be more likely to trap solids, and I'm concerned about cleaning, as well as durability. Does anyone have any suggestions on these, especially their durability? Thanks, PlainBill |
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Jerry wrote: I have Springflo for my filter. I find it very easy to clean when filter gets over gunked. Bio balls where messy and had to be dumped out hosed down and picked up and placed back in filter and to me they didn't "feel" like they did the job like Springflo. 135 gallon pond. Tetra PF-1 Filter- came with bioballs. 2 Over sized Ruykin Goldfish - who are about to be enrolled in "Jenny Craig" if they don't lose some weight. jerry I tried bio balls in the filter of my first pond seemed thay ended up all over the yard when i cleaned them and once in a while they floated up out of the filter into the pond Just my 1.5 Cents John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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PlainBill wrote:
I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Look in the Yellow (business) pages, under packaging distributors, and see if you can find a distributor of plastic banding. It is very common, used by lots of companies, available everywhere. Get roll or two of what ever size you want. |
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"John Hines" wrote in message
... PlainBill wrote: I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Look in the Yellow (business) pages, under packaging distributors, and see if you can find a distributor of plastic banding. It is very common, used by lots of companies, available everywhere. Get roll or two of what ever size you want. I don't have a bio-filter per se, as I am using a VF, but I plan to add one eventually. I have started saving the straps from boxes of paper from Staples, 6 pack rings, the locking rings from milk containers, etc. I figure, when I am ready to build the bio filter, I'll have plenty of media ready. BV. |
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"PlainBill" wrote Springflo ribbon media and Bio-fill seem to be similar in concept, but different materials (PVC vrs Polypropylene/calcium carbonate). It would appear the big advantage of these is the ease of cleaning. I'm a little concerned about their durability, however. Bio-balls on the other hand would appear to be more likely to trap solids, and I'm concerned about cleaning, as well as durability. Have a look at: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bioballfaqs.htm http://forum.kingsnake.com/dragon/messages/17204.html http://www.koi.com.my/forum/KOI_Talk...filter_P16249/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/recarl...filterpage.htm http://www.tortoise.org/general/pondfilt.html Michael Fermanis New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply) ================================================== =========== |
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Thanks for the testimonial. Have you ever had to replace the
Springflo? PlainBill On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 05:57:48 GMT, "laskdfpoiwq" wrote: I have the Springflow and love it. I have two spools in a 50 gallon horse barrel (my sump) for about three years now. I shake it out about once month when it is warm and once in spring. I highly recommend it. "PlainBill" wrote in message .. . I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Springflo ribbon media and Bio-fill seem to be similar in concept, but different materials (PVC vrs Polypropylene/calcium carbonate). It would appear the big advantage of these is the ease of cleaning. I'm a little concerned about their durability, however. Bio-balls on the other hand would appear to be more likely to trap solids, and I'm concerned about cleaning, as well as durability. Does anyone have any suggestions on these, especially their durability? Thanks, PlainBill |
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BenignVanilla wrote:
I don't have a bio-filter per se, as I am using a VF, but I plan to add one eventually. I have started saving the straps from boxes of paper from Staples, 6 pack rings, the locking rings from milk containers, etc. I figure, when I am ready to build the bio filter, I'll have plenty of media ready. A true honest-to-goodness PORG -- I did the same thing, only I started gathering the plastic media even before we moved into the house with a pond. My DH thought I was a little "ditzy" but when I used some of my "found" filtering material in a biowheel aquarium filter and it worked, he stopped wondering about having me treated for my "funny" obsession. Be careful with the 6 pack rings though - they become brittle from exposure to heat and cold, found one in my front flower bed that disintegrated when I tried to pick it up -- *&#@!)@ little pieces. -- Kathy B |
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BenignVanilla wrote:
I don't have a bio-filter per se, as I am using a VF, but I plan to add one eventually. I have started saving the straps from boxes of paper from Staples, 6 pack rings, the locking rings from milk containers, etc. I figure, when I am ready to build the bio filter, I'll have plenty of media ready. A true honest-to-goodness PORG -- I did the same thing, only I started gathering the plastic media even before we moved into the house with a pond. My DH thought I was a little "ditzy" but when I used some of my "found" filtering material in a biowheel aquarium filter and it worked, he stopped wondering about having me treated for my "funny" obsession. Be careful with the 6 pack rings though - they become brittle from exposure to heat and cold, found one in my front flower bed that disintegrated when I tried to pick it up -- *&#@!)@ little pieces. -- Kathy B |
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BenignVanilla wrote:
I don't have a bio-filter per se, as I am using a VF, but I plan to add one eventually. I have started saving the straps from boxes of paper from Staples, 6 pack rings, the locking rings from milk containers, etc. I figure, when I am ready to build the bio filter, I'll have plenty of media ready. A true honest-to-goodness PORG -- I did the same thing, only I started gathering the plastic media even before we moved into the house with a pond. My DH thought I was a little "ditzy" but when I used some of my "found" filtering material in a biowheel aquarium filter and it worked, he stopped wondering about having me treated for my "funny" obsession. Be careful with the 6 pack rings though - they become brittle from exposure to heat and cold, found one in my front flower bed that disintegrated when I tried to pick it up -- *&#@!)@ little pieces. -- Kathy B |
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"BenignVanilla" m
wrote: "John Hines" wrote in message .. . PlainBill wrote: I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Look in the Yellow (business) pages, under packaging distributors, and see if you can find a distributor of plastic banding. It is very common, used by lots of companies, available everywhere. Get roll or two of what ever size you want. I don't have a bio-filter per se, as I am using a VF, I took the liberty of defining a VF as a bio-filter that uses plants as its bacterial growth medium. After looking at the roots on floating water plants, and the surface area they have, and resulting bio action, IMHO (and totally non-scientfic) that accounts for the majority of the filter action. The plant nutrient uptake is just an extra benefit. eventually. I have started saving the straps from boxes of paper from Staples, 6 pack rings, the locking rings from milk containers, etc. Yeah, someone who opens up lots of packing boxes, should have a ready source, go down to the receiving docks (if your company has them) and check it out. Again, I think a VF is a version of a bio filter. A warning though, 6-pack rings are UV degradable. (can you tell I had a consulting client that made both 6 pack rings, and plastic strap?) |
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"John Hines" wrote in message
... snip Again, I think a VF is a version of a bio filter. I agree...although it seems like those of us that have VF's refer to them as VF, and those of us that have buckets full plastic strapping call them bio filters, so I figured it was safe to generalize. Thanks for clarifying. Your point is well taken, and anyone that wants to argue need only lift a WH out of their VF and look at the root mass. *laugh* A warning though, 6-pack rings are UV degradable. Thanks. BV. |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:05:35 -0400, PlainBill
wrote: I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Springflo ribbon media and Bio-fill seem to be similar in concept, but different materials (PVC vrs Polypropylene/calcium carbonate). It would appear the big advantage of these is the ease of cleaning. I'm a little concerned about their durability, however. Bio-balls on the other hand would appear to be more likely to trap solids, and I'm concerned about cleaning, as well as durability. Does anyone have any suggestions on these, especially their durability? Thanks, PlainBill Plain Bill, Bio-Balls were touted as the thing to use several years ago and I purchased enough to fill a 100 gallon Rubbermaid stock tank bio-filter design. Now, I am resigned to use them forever. They ARE indestructible. The stock tank filter required a pre-filter in the pond, that was high maintenance and I switched to a rather exotic filter with 4 fifty-five gallon drums. I use these same bio-balls in the new filter system. The bio-balls act as a bed or platform for bio-action (I guess), although they never actually seem to have any type of appreciable bio-film on them. The bio-balls do serve to capture bio-matter and/or whatever micro-fine particulate matter that passes though the bio-ball. They will act as a mechanical filter, for what ever your pre-filter passes. They can clog and may require periodic cleaning. In a loose state they are trouble to handle and clean. A 1/2 cubic foot or 1 cubic foot mesh bag is ideal to contain and deploy the bio-balls. When I need to clean my clean my filter system, I fill a spare barrel with pond water and then shake or agitate the bags in the clean pond water. This dislodges any of the insoluble dirt or dust that has settled in the bio-ball crevises. THEN, I quickly throw the bags back into the pond, so they do not dry out and loose whatever bio-film that might be active. When the filter system is all cleaned and ready for return-to-service then I collect the bags and return them to their two fifty-five gallon barrels. I have a photo at my website of the four barrels at http://bmoke.freeyellow.com/cppg024.htm I would love to tinker with the spring-flo stuff, but the bio-balls work for me. Bill M. |
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Bill,
Thanks for the information. I've already abandoned the bio-ball approach. Others had reported similar problems. Based on recommendations, I decided to try a variation of the bio-fill / Springflo approach- I bought a roll of 'strapping tape' - more properly known as poly strapping. I found a 14,000 foot roll on eBay for less than half of the normal retail price, even when shipping was added. The big problem with poly strapping is it has positive bouyancy. It still isn't the final solution, and I'm trying to figure out how to add a mechanical filter, but it's getting there! PlainBill On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:43:41 GMT, Fish Head wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:05:35 -0400, PlainBill wrote: I'm finding the media (floor scrubber pads) in my new filter isn't working nearly as well as I hoped. Looking over the various types of media, I've identified three products that seem to have the characteristics I would like, and the costs seem to be roughly the same. In each case, it would appear that it will cost $50-60 for enough to give me sufficient surface area. (I don't have the tools to make the PVC ribbon myself, or that would be the media of choice). Springflo ribbon media and Bio-fill seem to be similar in concept, but different materials (PVC vrs Polypropylene/calcium carbonate). It would appear the big advantage of these is the ease of cleaning. I'm a little concerned about their durability, however. Bio-balls on the other hand would appear to be more likely to trap solids, and I'm concerned about cleaning, as well as durability. Does anyone have any suggestions on these, especially their durability? Thanks, PlainBill Plain Bill, Bio-Balls were touted as the thing to use several years ago and I purchased enough to fill a 100 gallon Rubbermaid stock tank bio-filter design. Now, I am resigned to use them forever. They ARE indestructible. The stock tank filter required a pre-filter in the pond, that was high maintenance and I switched to a rather exotic filter with 4 fifty-five gallon drums. I use these same bio-balls in the new filter system. The bio-balls act as a bed or platform for bio-action (I guess), although they never actually seem to have any type of appreciable bio-film on them. The bio-balls do serve to capture bio-matter and/or whatever micro-fine particulate matter that passes though the bio-ball. They will act as a mechanical filter, for what ever your pre-filter passes. They can clog and may require periodic cleaning. In a loose state they are trouble to handle and clean. A 1/2 cubic foot or 1 cubic foot mesh bag is ideal to contain and deploy the bio-balls. When I need to clean my clean my filter system, I fill a spare barrel with pond water and then shake or agitate the bags in the clean pond water. This dislodges any of the insoluble dirt or dust that has settled in the bio-ball crevises. THEN, I quickly throw the bags back into the pond, so they do not dry out and loose whatever bio-film that might be active. When the filter system is all cleaned and ready for return-to-service then I collect the bags and return them to their two fifty-five gallon barrels. I have a photo at my website of the four barrels at http://bmoke.freeyellow.com/cppg024.htm I would love to tinker with the spring-flo stuff, but the bio-balls work for me. Bill M. |
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