Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg
Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round.
Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered)
Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55
degrees 70 degrees for growth.
That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods.
Mid May was way too soon.

Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color.
Do not know what color they should be.
Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the
last.

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give them.

Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay
clouded over the water.

Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface.

JRock64


"Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message
...
My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it
grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It came
back the next spring.

I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell
in
the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More lime
green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus
until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I would
plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else have
their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing
that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it
should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus takes
root.

Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert
Greenberg? Love those leaves!

--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned
in
school." - Albert Einstein


"jrock64" wrote in message
news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03...
H E L P ! !
My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
surface.
No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.

Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.

Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.

approx 6 in below water surface
Full sun from 11am to 6pm

Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots
were started with 3 spikes each about mid May

Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.

Photos are at the end of the pond album.

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose

Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.

Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on
the
side of the pots.

JRock64

Sorry

My news server said it was not connecting.

JRock64

There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your pH
is 8.5, it's too high. It's a long story, that prior to coffee isn't coming
back to me, but generally speaking, too high pH and plants can't absorb many
required nutrients. You add plants sticks and the plants sit there starving.
By any chance, do you know if your water is soft or hard (GH test kit). Do
you add potash?

Darn, sorry that Albert didn't make it. You think the growers would know
not to send you a plant too soon. However, your tropical lily problem could
be related to your lotus' problem. My tropicals make it through the winter
and my water goes down to 39°F, average is 45°F for two months during
winter.

--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in
school." - Albert Einstein


"jrock64" wrote in message
news:2MlRa.79994$Ph3.8725@sccrnsc04...
Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg
Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round.
Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered)
Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55
degrees 70 degrees for growth.
That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods.
Mid May was way too soon.

Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color.
Do not know what color they should be.
Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the
last.

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give
them.

Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay
clouded over the water.

Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface.

JRock64


"Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message
...
My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it
grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It
came
back the next spring.

I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell
in
the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More
lime
green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus
until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I
would
plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else
have
their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing
that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it
should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus
takes
root.

Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert
Greenberg? Love those leaves!

--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned
in
school." - Albert Einstein


"jrock64" wrote in message
news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03...
H E L P ! !
My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
surface.
No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.

Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.

Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.

approx 6 in below water surface
Full sun from 11am to 6pm

Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago.
Pots
were started with 3 spikes each about mid May

Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.

Photos are at the end of the pond album.

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose

Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.

Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way
on
the
side of the pots.

JRock64

"Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message
...
There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your
pH
is 8.5, it's too high.
snip

I'd only pick one bone with that statement, and that would be all plants
have different pH requirements. I would guess there are 1 or 2 that grow
nicely above 8.5

BV.

There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your pH
is 8.5, it's too high. It's a long story, that prior to coffee isn't coming
back to me, but generally speaking, too high pH and plants can't absorb many
required nutrients. You add plants sticks and the plants sit there starving.
By any chance, do you know if your water is soft or hard (GH test kit). Do
you add potash?

Darn, sorry that Albert didn't make it. You think the growers would know
not to send you a plant too soon. However, your tropical lily problem could
be related to your lotus' problem. My tropicals make it through the winter
and my water goes down to 39°F, average is 45°F for two months during
winter.

--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in
school." - Albert Einstein


"jrock64" wrote in message
news:2MlRa.79994$Ph3.8725@sccrnsc04...
Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg
Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round.
Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered)
Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55
degrees 70 degrees for growth.
That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods.
Mid May was way too soon.

Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color.
Do not know what color they should be.
Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the
last.

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give
them.

Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay
clouded over the water.

Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface.

JRock64


"Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message
...
My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it
grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It
came
back the next spring.

I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell
in
the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More
lime
green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus
until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I
would
plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else
have
their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing
that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it
should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus
takes
root.

Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert
Greenberg? Love those leaves!

--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned
in
school." - Albert Einstein


"jrock64" wrote in message
news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03...
H E L P ! !
My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
surface.
No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.

Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.

Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.

approx 6 in below water surface
Full sun from 11am to 6pm

Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago.
Pots
were started with 3 spikes each about mid May

Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.

Photos are at the end of the pond album.

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose

Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.

Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way
on
the
side of the pots.

JRock64

"Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message
...
There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your
pH
is 8.5, it's too high.
snip

I'd only pick one bone with that statement, and that would be all plants
have different pH requirements. I would guess there are 1 or 2 that grow
nicely above 8.5

BV.

"Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message
...
There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your
pH
is 8.5, it's too high.
snip

I'd only pick one bone with that statement, and that would be all plants
have different pH requirements. I would guess there are 1 or 2 that grow
nicely above 8.5

BV.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote:

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow,
grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your
Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I
can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a
spike? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I'd only pick one bone with that statement, and that would be all plants
have different pH requirements. I would guess there are 1 or 2 that grow
nicely above 8.5
BV.

That's right, and 1 or 2 that will grow in acidic situations (actually more
than that, think true bog conditions). The majority though have a range of
6.5-8.5 ideally. I bet lotus are in the majority. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

When you think of the lotus ponds/bogs that are indigenous (sp)
to China and you remember the Mud! where these lotuses
grow wild. These folk never heard of a net let alone ever use one over the
lotuses. All the leaves, etc., get blown into the ponds and feed the
lotuses... and the fish that come and go ... some areas
even have alligators and crocs.. *in the southern regions.*
We cannot hope to replicate these conditions ... but we can
let leaves fall... let fish get born and die in the lotus ponds.
We will have a perfect setting for our own plants. I have no idea
what the pH is in my lotus pond.... guess I would rather not
know. However, if I couldn't get the lotuses to grow I would
look to the Chinese way of doing things.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote:

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow,
grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your
Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I
can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a
spike? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.

I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
That must have been one of the things that worked for you
too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote:

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow,
grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your
Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I
can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a
spike? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting media,
instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause further
algal blooms.
I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to clean up
if you knock it over..
Happy ponding,
Greg
--


"Nedra" wrote in message
news
Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.

I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
That must have been one of the things that worked for you
too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote:

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow,
grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check
your
Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and
I
can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a
spike? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting media,
instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause further
algal blooms.
I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to clean up
if you knock it over..
Happy ponding,
Greg
--


"Nedra" wrote in message
news
Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.

I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
That must have been one of the things that worked for you
too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote:

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow,
grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check
your
Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and
I
can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a
spike? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I need to correct my last post.. I was referring to marginals and lilies
when I mentioned pea gravel/sand. For lotuses, I still use clay, as I sink
them in my "farm"/dirt pond in 3 ft diameter containers, which I fill with
the clay I dug out of the pond to put the container into.
I don't maintain lotus in my 8,000 gallon water garden per se, although
there is no reason I could not.
I also have a couple of tubs sunk in gardens away from ponds and water
gardens with lotus in them.
Easy to maintain and no weeding hassles! Make great backdrops to buildings,
etc.
Happy ponding,
Greg

--


"Gregory Young" wrote in message
...
I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting
media,
instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause further
algal blooms.
I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to clean
up
if you knock it over..
Happy ponding,
Greg
--


"Nedra" wrote in message
news
Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.

I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
That must have been one of the things that worked for you
too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote:

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow,
grow,
grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check
your
Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond
and
I
can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes
a
spike? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Hi Greg,

Your method of planting lotuses is the "old fashioned" way!
Wish I were physically able to handle 3 foot wide containers
of clay. Your containers of lotus sound charming... scattered
about so to speak.

My lotus pond is lined only because the two 'on-line' ladies who were
helping me told me to line it ... lol There is no way I could
handle a 3 foot wide container full of clay and lotus. My largest
container is about 20 inches wide - I'm doing good to get that
eased into the pond. I have so many plants that have jumped
the pots and are growing into the sand in the pond. I will have a heck of
time trying to divide next spring.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Gregory Young" wrote in message
...
I need to correct my last post.. I was referring to marginals and lilies
when I mentioned pea gravel/sand. For lotuses, I still use clay, as I sink
them in my "farm"/dirt pond in 3 ft diameter containers, which I fill with
the clay I dug out of the pond to put the container into.
I don't maintain lotus in my 8,000 gallon water garden per se, although
there is no reason I could not.
I also have a couple of tubs sunk in gardens away from ponds and water
gardens with lotus in them.
Easy to maintain and no weeding hassles! Make great backdrops to
buildings,
etc.
Happy ponding,
Greg

--


"Gregory Young" wrote in message
...
I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting
media,
instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause
further
algal blooms.
I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to
clean
up
if you knock it over..
Happy ponding,
Greg
--


"Nedra" wrote in message
news
Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.

I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
That must have been one of the things that worked for you
too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64"
wrote:

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow,
grow,
grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check
your
Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond
and
I
can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid
makes
a
spike? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website