I think most have not quarantined. And a hell of a lot have lost all their fish. In
fact, some people may have left the group after losing em all to the new "apparently
healthy" fish that was just dumped in.
Very bad results from not quarantining is proportional to how often this is done and
total size of the pond. The more often fish are dumped in, the smaller the pond, the
more likely there is going to be a bad outcome. People with fish tanks that cant
control themselves in pet stores see this disaster a lot faster than ponders.
Ingrid

ESPMER (K30a) wrote:
I bet most of us have never quarantined a new fish and never lost a fish
(raising hand).


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All you really need is a spare aquarium with a filter. It doesn't need to be a
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Subject: bought house with koi (1) pond..long, sorry
From: "k conover"
Date: 08/27/2003 11:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I think the quarantining (whatever that is, and I'm sure I'll learn about
it) would be pretty difficult for me right now...
Kirsten

When the time comes, you could always get a fish that won't cross breed
with the GF. I've got some golden tench in my pond that come to the
surface to eat with the other fish.

As for food: not a lot, it'll just clog up you filter. You can use it to
train your fishy to come to the surface though when you're around though.

k conover wrote:
Omigosh, I had no idea! And I was joking with my brother about how I would
get the fish "sexed" so I could figure out if I needed to get a boy or girl
companion...
Kirsten
(I think I'll follow your suggestions and keep him alone for awhile and try
to get him used to me--don't think the last owner ever paid attention to him
at all...)
Kirsten
(I have fish food that looks like little "Grape Nuts" cereal--how often and
how much should I feed him; if at all, since he's been getting no food from
the previous owner)
"Nedra" wrote in message
nk.net...

Yet another voice, Kirsten! Don't add another fish
until you figure out what you want to do with the zillion
babies that will show up! I would definitely leave well
enough alone. Just enjoy the pond for now...

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"jammer" wrote in message
. ..

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:28:07 -0400, "k conover"
wrote:


Hi, I recently bought a 1923 bungalow in Atlanta, and I inherited a

small

pond (about 4 feet across, maybe 2-3 feet deep) with one fish. To me

he

appears to be a large goldfish, not a koi--is there any easy way to
differentiate? He's all orange. The owner that sold me the house

said

that he was here 4 years ago when HE bought the house. The pond is

chock

full of plants, and lots of green slimy stuff and some small lily pads.

It

does have some sort of filter. I realize that I should probably clean

it

out a bit, and I'm going to remove floating debris to start, but I'm

kind

of

thinking, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." He's been here for

years,

doing well (the former owner rarely fed him--I'm sure he's been chewing

on

the plants and bugs) so I don't want to go in and clean out the pond

and

shock his system. I would like to introduce a buddy for him though.
My problem is that I feel that I must give this little guy a good
environment, but at the same time I am overwhelmed with all the things

that

need to be done to my "fixer-upper" so I don't have tons of time to

devote

to this project. Like I said, he's been doing fine so far, but I

would

like to make his life a little better. Advice?
Thanks in advance.
Kirsten

Clean the filter, do a partial water change and let it be, then! if
you have a shop vac, maybe clean some of the much out of the bottom.






--
Matt Helliwell
www.helliwell.me.uk
matt at helliwell dot me dot uk

So, can someone explain the quarantine? Is the idea to put the new fish in
a mixture of the existing pond water to acclimate him to it gradually or...?
Kirsten
wrote in message
...
I think most have not quarantined. And a hell of a lot have lost all
their fish. In
fact, some people may have left the group after losing em all to the new
"apparently
healthy" fish that was just dumped in.
Very bad results from not quarantining is proportional to how often this
is done and
total size of the pond. The more often fish are dumped in, the smaller
the pond, the
more likely there is going to be a bad outcome. People with fish tanks
that cant
control themselves in pet stores see this disaster a lot faster than
ponders.
Ingrid

ESPMER (K30a) wrote:
I bet most of us have never quarantined a new fish and never lost a fish
(raising hand).


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"k conover" wrote in message
...
Bern, he looks to be no more than 4" across--I don't see any whiskers, but
I
may net him for a second to get a better look at him...could a goldfish
have
lived in this pond for 4 years plus?

Your pond should be able to support at least two 4 inch fish. A goldfish can
certainly live that long. To a practiced eye, it is easy to tell koi from
goldfish. You might go to a fish store and compare koi and goldfish before
attempting to net out the fish. The barbels and head shape (as mentioned
earlier) are the best determinants.

I know, leaving the lone fish alone until the new ponder has the time and
energy to tackle the pond is the best idea........ but fishy needs a friend!
I have two bettas in seperate tanks (newbies - because they will fight) but the
tanks are next to each other to give drama and interest to their lives. They
certainly aren't friends but they aren't bored!

Don't mind me, the kids are back at school....














































k30a
and the watergardening labradors
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/p...htm#quarantine new fish



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k conover wrote:

So, can someone explain the quarantine? Is the idea to put the new fish in
a mixture of the existing pond water to acclimate him to it gradually or...?
Kirsten


You put him in a container by himself for 2-4 weeks just to make sure he
isn't carrying some disease before you introduce him to your, currently,
healthy fish.


Joe



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Kirsten,

You described your fish [whatever it is] as "4" across" -- did you mean
it's 4" long, or is it really 4" wide?

Frankly, IMHO, if it's 4" wide, it can survive a while on whatever it's been
eating in the past!

I'd advise two things:

1. Go easy on the fish food
2. Don't net the fish if all you want to do is measure it -- both of
you will probably be better off without that particular stress!

BTW, "quarantine" is pretty much the same thing, no matter what species
you're discussing (humans, dogs, cats, fish, computer viruses) -- the idea
is to protect the greater community/entity from the disease that some
individuals may have.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

"k conover" wrote in message
...
Bern, he looks to be no more than 4" across--I don't see any whiskers, but
I
may net him for a second to get a better look at him...could a goldfish
have
lived in this pond for 4 years plus?
Kirsten
"Bern Muller" wrote in message
...

"k conover" wrote in message
...
Hi, I recently bought a 1923 bungalow in Atlanta, and I inherited a
small
pond (about 4 feet across, maybe 2-3 feet deep) with one fish.

Congratulations! You will find ponding to be very rewarding, and can be
done
with as little or as much time investment as you want.

I would like to know about how big your fish is, in inches long. If you
get
another one, and I suggest waiting until you figure out how you will be
managing the pond, it should be roughly matched in size to the original.

I'm sorry, I meant he (or she) is 4" long!
I'm more worried about bringing a second fish in and killing him with
the brackish pond water...though I was left a PH kit by the former owner and
it looks like it's pretty close to 7, which they said was good; but I'm sure
that's just the tip of the iceberg :-)
I've tried feeding the fish just a few pieces (they're very small) but
having never been fed, (even though I try to let him know I'm there by
moving some plant leaves around in the water,) the food just floats on the
water and he doesn't appear to see them.
Kirsten
"Anne Lurie" wrote in message
. com...
Kirsten,

You described your fish [whatever it is] as "4" across" -- did you mean
it's 4" long, or is it really 4" wide?

Frankly, IMHO, if it's 4" wide, it can survive a while on whatever it's
been
eating in the past!

I'd advise two things:

1. Go easy on the fish food
2. Don't net the fish if all you want to do is measure it -- both of
you will probably be better off without that particular stress!

BTW, "quarantine" is pretty much the same thing, no matter what species
you're discussing (humans, dogs, cats, fish, computer viruses) -- the
idea
is to protect the greater community/entity from the disease that some
individuals may have.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

"k conover" wrote in message
...
Bern, he looks to be no more than 4" across--I don't see any whiskers,
but
I
may net him for a second to get a better look at him...could a goldfish
have
lived in this pond for 4 years plus?
Kirsten
"Bern Muller" wrote in message
...

"k conover" wrote in message
...
Hi, I recently bought a 1923 bungalow in Atlanta, and I inherited a
small
pond (about 4 feet across, maybe 2-3 feet deep) with one fish.

Congratulations! You will find ponding to be very rewarding, and can
be
done
with as little or as much time investment as you want.

I would like to know about how big your fish is, in inches long. If
you
get
another one, and I suggest waiting until you figure out how you will
be
managing the pond, it should be roughly matched in size to the
original.

----- Original Message -----
From: "k conover"
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:22 AM
Subject: bought house with koi (1) pond..long, sorry


I'm sorry, I meant he (or she) is 4" long!
I'm more worried about bringing a second fish in and killing him with
the brackish pond water..

I am sure you don't mean brackish. That has a specific meaning: "somewhat
salty" as found in river estuaries.
..
having never been fed, (even though I try to let him know I'm there by
moving some plant leaves around in the water,) the food just floats on the
water and he doesn't appear to see them.

Maybe your presence scares him. Try putting the food in the pond and
observing from a distance. He may smell it and eat it He may also be not
hungry given the plethora of food around.

In article , "k conover"
writes:

I've tried feeding the fish just a few pieces (they're very small) but
having never been fed, (even though I try to let him know I'm there by
moving some plant leaves around in the water,) the food just floats on the
water and he doesn't appear to see them.

Fish are not accustomed to eating by hand and it takes them awhile to get used
to you coming around and then there's food. If you feed them regularly - same
time every day - they become acclimated to your presence and will come right up
to you, but it takes time so just put in a few pellets until you know he's
eating it.

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
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Hi Kirsten,
I live in Wales in the UK and 1 year ago, I purchased a new property with a couple of ponds in the garden, one of which is about 6ft long by 4ft wide. The previous owners told me that their fish were taken by a stoat or some other creature as we live on the edge of a town and as they were moving house they didn't re-stock the pond. Last week I discovered a what I think is a goldfish which is about 7 inches long happily enjoying himself in the pond. How could he have survived for a year with no attention/feeding at all ?? What do I do now to ensure he is healthy etc??? Help!