Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so of ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling away (in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don

Don,

Fish always do swim around a bit, even in the coldest water. Just recently
my pond water was 38 degrees for a couple of days, of course, now it is in
the high 50's almost 60's. I assume you too will be getting colder very
soon since our cold here always comes rolling in from Canada and here in
Oklahoma we are suppose to be in the 30's next Tuesday.

In any event, do not feed your fish until you water temperature is
consistently above 55 degrees and rising daily. When you do start feeding
them feed them sparingly until the water temperature is in the 60's. The
way things are going around here this winter I will probably be putting my
fish out in February. Of course, we will probably get a late freeze in May
like we did one year.

Tom L.L.

God Bless and Keep You and Yours,
Regards from Pawnee, OK, USA, Zone 7a, and Hope you have a "Great Day,"
Tom La Bron
LTA Oklahoma State University
Office E-mail:
Home E-mail:
Website URL: http://www.geocities.com/norbal.geo
-----------------------------------
"Don Falconer" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so of
ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling away
(in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don

Don I'm in Niagara Falls so I know first hand the wacky weather you are
experiencing. I'm not feeding at all and I won't till the water hits 50
degrees for at least a week. My pond is lit and I'm noticing the fish are
grazinf algae at night. They're just fine! )

Janet in not soo cold Niagara Falls, Canada

"Don Falconer" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so of
ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling away
(in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don

Thanks Tom and Janet for your responses. Always something to learn about
water gardening and I find this group very helpful.

Don

"Tom La Bron" wrote in message
...
Don,

Fish always do swim around a bit, even in the coldest water. Just
recently
my pond water was 38 degrees for a couple of days, of course, now it is in
the high 50's almost 60's. I assume you too will be getting colder very
soon since our cold here always comes rolling in from Canada and here in
Oklahoma we are suppose to be in the 30's next Tuesday.

In any event, do not feed your fish until you water temperature is
consistently above 55 degrees and rising daily. When you do start feeding
them feed them sparingly until the water temperature is in the 60's. The
way things are going around here this winter I will probably be putting my
fish out in February. Of course, we will probably get a late freeze in
May
like we did one year.

Tom L.L.

God Bless and Keep You and Yours,
Regards from Pawnee, OK, USA, Zone 7a, and Hope you have a "Great Day,"
Tom La Bron
LTA Oklahoma State University
Office E-mail:
Home E-mail:
Website URL: http://www.geocities.com/norbal.geo
-----------------------------------
"Don Falconer" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed
once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so of
ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized
with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling away
(in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don

Thanks Tom and Janet for your responses. Always something to learn about
water gardening and I find this group very helpful.

Don

"Tom La Bron" wrote in message
...
Don,

Fish always do swim around a bit, even in the coldest water. Just
recently
my pond water was 38 degrees for a couple of days, of course, now it is in
the high 50's almost 60's. I assume you too will be getting colder very
soon since our cold here always comes rolling in from Canada and here in
Oklahoma we are suppose to be in the 30's next Tuesday.

In any event, do not feed your fish until you water temperature is
consistently above 55 degrees and rising daily. When you do start feeding
them feed them sparingly until the water temperature is in the 60's. The
way things are going around here this winter I will probably be putting my
fish out in February. Of course, we will probably get a late freeze in
May
like we did one year.

Tom L.L.

God Bless and Keep You and Yours,
Regards from Pawnee, OK, USA, Zone 7a, and Hope you have a "Great Day,"
Tom La Bron
LTA Oklahoma State University
Office E-mail:
Home E-mail:
Website URL: http://www.geocities.com/norbal.geo
-----------------------------------
"Don Falconer" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed
once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so of
ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized
with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling away
(in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don

Janet,

Crazy weather is right, my pond temps were almost 60 today and the barrels
on my non-heated back porch where some of my fish are being kept had
barrel-water temps at 66 degrees today. It is suppose to really drop
tonight and tomorrow night, so things should be back to normal soon. My
barrel temps on the back porch have been hovering around 52 degrees all the
time they have been out there except this last week, and then today was
almost like spring.

Tom L.L.
----------------
"Janet" wrote in message
...
Don I'm in Niagara Falls so I know first hand the wacky weather you are
experiencing. I'm not feeding at all and I won't till the water hits 50
degrees for at least a week. My pond is lit and I'm noticing the fish are
grazinf algae at night. They're just fine! )

Janet in not soo cold Niagara Falls, Canada

"Don Falconer" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed
once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so of
ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized
with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling away
(in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don

We were just sitting out by the pond enjoying a cup of coffee! LOL!
Earlier the thermomter was reading 43 degrees but in a matter of an hr it's
now down to 36 degrees! O We were supposed to get up to snow this morning
according to the winter weather advisory that went up last night but we
haven't even seen a flake4 as of yet...
Janet (who hasn't had to shut her stream down at all!)

"Tom La Bron" wrote in message
...
Janet,

Crazy weather is right, my pond temps were almost 60 today and the barrels
on my non-heated back porch where some of my fish are being kept had
barrel-water temps at 66 degrees today. It is suppose to really drop
tonight and tomorrow night, so things should be back to normal soon. My
barrel temps on the back porch have been hovering around 52 degrees all
the
time they have been out there except this last week, and then today was
almost like spring.

Tom L.L.
----------------
"Janet" wrote in message
...
Don I'm in Niagara Falls so I know first hand the wacky weather you are
experiencing. I'm not feeding at all and I won't till the water hits 50
degrees for at least a week. My pond is lit and I'm noticing the fish
are
grazinf algae at night. They're just fine! )

Janet in not soo cold Niagara Falls, Canada

"Don Falconer" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small
goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed
once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so
of
ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized
with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling
away
(in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don

14 degrees here in Mad Moo Land.
And supposed to get colder tomorrow!


ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

If your temps really drop fast, watch for ich. DH turn my heater on and
forgot it one cold day the end of Oct. I don't know how warm a 1000 watt
heater can make a 30 gallon tub, but that night, in the teens, dropped it
to the point of the fish having ich soon after. Salt was added to 0.3% and
saved all but one tiny guy who was brought inside and made it with warmth
and treatment. He was smaller than a pea, so I couldn't resist. He's fine
and swimming in a 15 gallon for now, vacationing inside for the winter.
~ jan

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:29:24 -0600, "Tom La Bron" wrote:

Janet,

Crazy weather is right, my pond temps were almost 60 today and the barrels
on my non-heated back porch where some of my fish are being kept had
barrel-water temps at 66 degrees today. It is suppose to really drop
tonight and tomorrow night, so things should be back to normal soon. My
barrel temps on the back porch have been hovering around 52 degrees all the
time they have been out there except this last week, and then today was
almost like spring.

Tom L.L.
----------------
"Janet" wrote in message
.. .
Don I'm in Niagara Falls so I know first hand the wacky weather you are
experiencing. I'm not feeding at all and I won't till the water hits 50
degrees for at least a week. My pond is lit and I'm noticing the fish are
grazinf algae at night. They're just fine! )

Janet in not soo cold Niagara Falls, Canada

"Don Falconer" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed
once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so of
ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized
with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling away
(in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don

Here in Mad Moo Land (SE WA) I woke up
at 4am to dead quiet. No power.
Kids and I huddled next to the fire until 8am
when our power came back on but other parts
of our area still out. DH went out to work to huddle over the nuclear pool.
School canceled.
There is so much snow in the backyard I haven't
made it out to the pond but from my daughter's
window I can now see that the pond is thawing its hole
in the water so I don't think it was iced over for too long this morning. In
addition for the fish, the birdies and squirrels like the water hole too.
Low at the airport was 19 below zero. Here beside
the kitchen window it says about 1 degree.


ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:33:44 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
wrote:

If your temps really drop fast, watch for ich. DH turn my heater on and
forgot it one cold day the end of Oct. I don't know how warm a 1000 watt
heater can make a 30 gallon tub, but that night, in the teens, dropped it
to the point of the fish having ich soon after. Salt was added to 0.3% and
saved all but one tiny guy who was brought inside and made it with warmth
and treatment. He was smaller than a pea, so I couldn't resist. He's fine
and swimming in a 15 gallon for now, vacationing inside for the winter.
~ jan


Ahhh,. You had to go mention Ich, didn't you? About 35 years ago I
got into the aquarium hobby thing. I had a 10 gal setup with angel
fish and some mollies. I moved from Lousiana to Illinois in late
November, 1966, carrying the fish in a styrofoam box. It sat on the
floor in the front of the car heater. I spent the night in MO and
left the fish in the car. The next day we drove another couple 100
miles to Springfield, with the fish in front of the heater. No one
had told me to be careful of water temp changes. I set the fish up in
an apartment that was overheated. No problem for two years. Then I
moved them back to Louisiana 2/69. It was near zero when I left IL.
and 70 when I got to LA. No problem. That winter I got a new
aquarium book and read about ich. A couple of days later I found
white spots on the mollies, then on the angels. ICH!!! I was able to
cure them. That summer I read about tail rot ... guess what!

I hate hearing about diseases ... it seems to start them up around me.

:-)

Happy New Year, all.

dd

cover the tub and the 1000watt should do fine. It was 50o 2 days ago and then we
got 4" of snow and the temp is now 7o. my 1600 gallon pond has a plastic covered
lean to over it and a 500 watt heater. The water temp was 56o today, they were up
sucking like crazy so I fed em again. the lilies are still green in there. I will
see if the temp drops by tomorrow. Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
I don't know how warm a 1000 watt
heater can make a 30 gallon tub, but that night, in the teens, dropped it
to the point of the fish having ich soon after.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

cover the tub and the 1000watt should do fine. It was 50o 2 days ago and then we
got 4" of snow and the temp is now 7o. my 1600 gallon pond has a plastic covered
lean to over it and a 500 watt heater. The water temp was 56o today, they were up
sucking like crazy so I fed em again. the lilies are still green in there. I will
see if the temp drops by tomorrow. Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
I don't know how warm a 1000 watt
heater can make a 30 gallon tub, but that night, in the teens, dropped it
to the point of the fish having ich soon after.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

My concern is forgetting the heater and it warming the tub up too much for
it to go without heat while I also maintain the temps in the hot tub. Can't
run both at once. After being plugged in for almost 2 hours at 11*F this
morning and only partially thawing the ice off the top, I guess it won't
get them too warm at these temps.

It's also the bird watering station right now, hope they don't mind salty
water of 0.3%. ;o) ~ jan


cover the tub and the 1000watt should do fine. It was 50o 2 days ago and then we
got 4" of snow and the temp is now 7o. my 1600 gallon pond has a plastic covered
lean to over it and a 500 watt heater. The water temp was 56o today, they were up
sucking like crazy so I fed em again. the lilies are still green in there. I will
see if the temp drops by tomorrow. Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
I don't know how warm a 1000 watt
heater can make a 30 gallon tub, but that night, in the teens, dropped it
to the point of the fish having ich soon after.

~ jan

Ya just had to let Mother Nature know she had forgotten us eh! Now we
have -13 C, my stream is frozen, my filter is frozen, and we have no idea
what's going on in the pond except that water is moving where it isn't
supposed to be. I expect a line has frozen then popped off or split.

I guess it had to come sometime!

Heather in Woodstock, Ontario


"Don Falconer" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
Should I be concerned? Fish are swimming around, not "sleeping".
Approx. 300 gal x 28" deep max pond. 2 @ 6-8" koi and 5 small goldfish.
Fish not fed since late Oct. as is my understanding should not be fed once
water temp is less than 50 F.
Has been unusually mild here in Whitby, Ontario i.e. about 48 F today.
Should be 25-30 F and 2 to 3 " of ice on the pond. Had an inch or so of
ice
back in Nov. during a cold spell but is long gone. Pond is winterized with
plants set in bottom, filter and pump removed, air bubbler bubbling away
(in
case we ever do get ice).
Should I feed the fish since they seem to be active?

Don