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#31
10-02-2004, 07:16 PM
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Pardon me for "butting in", but...
I've been hearing for decades sentiments like " I believe in civil rights, but dislike the feminist movement". I've come to believe [especially when coming from a woman] it has little to do with not wanting equal rights, pay, etc. for women, and less to do with the "movement" than with the word "feminist". I don't "get" the distinction... but then there are soooo many things I don't get". Is it the goals, Nedra, or the rhetoric that you dislike? This "rhetoric" thing is coming up a lot at the moment, as you might imagine, in my home state, Massachusetts. "Gay marriage" seems to be a "hot-button" for some folks who, otherwise, are believers in human rights. I've come to believe it's largely a semantic argument. Personally I think "a legal union with the same rights and responsibilities as marriage" when I hear it discussed, and use that terminology when I discuss it... it seems to "push peoples' buttons" less, and people seem more open to level-headed discussions. Occasionally, by using different terms, I've discovered someone I've thought a "world-class jerk" really isn't... not always the case, of course. Mila wrote in message ... what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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#32
10-02-2004, 07:20 PM
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wrote in message ... what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? snip How funny...or irionic I guess. We were just discussing equal rights for women at lunch. An associate and I were argueing that if women are allowed to play on the Men's PGA tour, that men should be allowed on the LPGA. You can imagine the discussion that ensued. And just to be clear, we were argueing FOR women's rights, and equality, not against. BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
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#33
10-02-2004, 07:27 PM
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FS misc.
Pardon me for "butting in", but...
I've been hearing for decades sentiments like " I believe in civil rights, but dislike the feminist movement". I've come to believe [especially when coming from a woman] it has little to do with not wanting equal rights, pay, etc. for women, and less to do with the "movement" than with the word "feminist". I don't "get" the distinction... but then there are soooo many things I don't get". Is it the goals, Nedra, or the rhetoric that you dislike? This "rhetoric" thing is coming up a lot at the moment, as you might imagine, in my home state, Massachusetts. "Gay marriage" seems to be a "hot-button" for some folks who, otherwise, are believers in human rights. I've come to believe it's largely a semantic argument. Personally I think "a legal union with the same rights and responsibilities as marriage" when I hear it discussed, and use that terminology when I discuss it... it seems to "push peoples' buttons" less, and people seem more open to level-headed discussions. Occasionally, by using different terms, I've discovered someone I've thought a "world-class jerk" really isn't... not always the case, of course. Mila wrote in message ... what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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#35
10-02-2004, 08:42 PM
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what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? It isn't everywhere. It's a lesbian superiority or female superiority movement in some places, especially colleges. Double standards are common, and easier to see if you were male. The old rules that favored women are demanded, and new rules that favor women are demanded. The word of a woman is accepted over a man's (domestic abuse cases, especially). Talk to young men about the problem of actually getting a blood test run to determine paternity, there's all sort of road blocks, and, if they can show they are not the father, getting their money back takes a lot longer than losing it did. Do these things sound like "equal rights"? or "Superior rights"? Oh, and there's a good series of comics on the subject now running on "Day-by-day". "Samantha's" problem is by no means unknown, I *know* several women who have been tapped as the *father* of some child, and had property seized and paychecks garnisheed, and been unable to get it straightened out, even when they walked into the relevant offices. http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/cartoons/02-10-2004.gif Never mind the gold diggers in California that pull divorce court robberies. (The average man is a social retard and the average woman can fool him most of the time, long enough to get married, anyhow.) It's no wonder men in California are marriage shy. They are afraid they will end up impoverished the rest of their lives. Then, you have the socialist activists who are using the movement as a cover. Consider the National Organization of Women, and it's behavior whenever a conservative is accused of sexual misconduct. Compare that with the behavior displayed whenever a "liberal", or exploitable minority (such as O. J. Simpson) is in the same position. Tammy Bruce, who was a member of the national board of directors of NOW and the president of the LA chapter at the time of the OJ Simpson mess was forced out because she wanted to give OJ the same treatment as anyone else. |
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#36
10-02-2004, 09:50 PM
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FS misc.
Oh, oh. Here we go!
On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#37
10-02-2004, 10:01 PM
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FS misc.
Oh, oh. Here we go!
On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#38
10-02-2004, 10:19 PM
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FS misc.
Oh, oh. Here we go!
On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#39
10-02-2004, 10:39 PM
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FS misc.
Ingrid knows Exactly where I stand on this issue. We agreed
to disagree years ago... on this very newsgroup. I'm in the male's corner! I'm also a Conservative and she is a Liberal and never the twain shall meet.  Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "joe" wrote in message ... Oh, oh. Here we go! On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#40
10-02-2004, 11:30 PM
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FS misc.
Ingrid knows Exactly where I stand on this issue. We agreed
to disagree years ago... on this very newsgroup. I'm in the male's corner! I'm also a Conservative and she is a Liberal and never the twain shall meet. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "joe" wrote in message ... Oh, oh. Here we go! On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#41
10-02-2004, 11:31 PM
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FS misc.
... I'm in the male's corner!
That pre-supposes there is a "male corner" vis-a-vis this topic. Equal human rights doesn't have to be a "male vs. female" thing, any more than a "white vs. black", "liberal vs. conservative" [or any other "us vs. them"] thing you know. It's about all human beings, it seems to me. But, clearly, you don't want to discuss it... and that, of course, is fine... this is rec.ponds after all. Mila "Nedra" wrote in message link.net... Ingrid knows Exactly where I stand on this issue. We agreed to disagree years ago... on this very newsgroup. I'm in the male's corner! I'm also a Conservative and she is a Liberal and never the twain shall meet. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "joe" wrote in message ... Oh, oh. Here we go! On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#42
10-02-2004, 11:34 PM
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Ingrid knows Exactly where I stand on this issue. We agreed
to disagree years ago... on this very newsgroup. I'm in the male's corner! I'm also a Conservative and she is a Liberal and never the twain shall meet. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "joe" wrote in message ... Oh, oh. Here we go! On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#43
10-02-2004, 11:34 PM
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Ingrid knows Exactly where I stand on this issue. We agreed
to disagree years ago... on this very newsgroup. I'm in the male's corner! I'm also a Conservative and she is a Liberal and never the twain shall meet. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "joe" wrote in message ... Oh, oh. Here we go! On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#44
10-02-2004, 11:35 PM
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FS misc.
... I'm in the male's corner!
That pre-supposes there is a "male corner" vis-a-vis this topic. Equal human rights doesn't have to be a "male vs. female" thing, any more than a "white vs. black", "liberal vs. conservative" [or any other "us vs. them"] thing you know. It's about all human beings, it seems to me. But, clearly, you don't want to discuss it... and that, of course, is fine... this is rec.ponds after all. Mila "Nedra" wrote in message link.net... Ingrid knows Exactly where I stand on this issue. We agreed to disagree years ago... on this very newsgroup. I'm in the male's corner! I'm also a Conservative and she is a Liberal and never the twain shall meet. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "joe" wrote in message ... Oh, oh. Here we go! On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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#45
10-02-2004, 11:35 PM
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... I'm in the male's corner!
That pre-supposes there is a "male corner" vis-a-vis this topic. Equal human rights doesn't have to be a "male vs. female" thing, any more than a "white vs. black", "liberal vs. conservative" [or any other "us vs. them"] thing you know. It's about all human beings, it seems to me. But, clearly, you don't want to discuss it... and that, of course, is fine... this is rec.ponds after all. Mila "Nedra" wrote in message link.net... Ingrid knows Exactly where I stand on this issue. We agreed to disagree years ago... on this very newsgroup. I'm in the male's corner! I'm also a Conservative and she is a Liberal and never the twain shall meet. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "joe" wrote in message ... Oh, oh. Here we go! On 2/10/04 8:48 AM, " wrote: what in the world is there to dislike about an advocate of the women's rights movement who's whole purpose is to ensure equal rights for women? That is like saying you "hate" civil rights cause there are a few whackos out there. You hate civil rights movement too? Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: Oh Good Grief, Ingrid!! I don't "hate" in the way you mean "hate".... let's just say that I dislike the feminist movement. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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