On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:16:29 -0500
Hal wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun
remodel. Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water
trade fairly often through the season so salt residual isn't a
problem next year.

Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:16:29 -0500
Hal wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun
remodel. Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water
trade fairly often through the season so salt residual isn't a
problem next year.

Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

When I started ponding, one of the "EXPERTS" at a talk at my local pond
supplier stated that the best thing you can do for the fish is to put one
pound of salt per hundred gallons of water (0.1%). That dosage turns out to
be a little over 0.1%. Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Hal" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of
that
argument.

There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.

Regards,

Hal

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:33:13 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:20:12 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.

Save the heavy doseage of salt until you need it sounds like a good
idea to me too. That is the reason I feel limiting my .1% to winter
application and let it die from rain/water changes is being
conservative.

I don't think I have any oxygenators any more. Parrot feather covers
my plant pond every winter and I only found a few anacharis plants
under it last year, but I don't think .1% salt ever bothered any of my
plants. There was a study on Koivet.com that indicated .1% effected
water hyacinths too, but I couldn't see that. As soon as water
hyacinths become available to me, I'm putting some more into a .1%
salt solution too.

Regards,

Hal

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:33:13 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:20:12 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.

Save the heavy doseage of salt until you need it sounds like a good
idea to me too. That is the reason I feel limiting my .1% to winter
application and let it die from rain/water changes is being
conservative.

I don't think I have any oxygenators any more. Parrot feather covers
my plant pond every winter and I only found a few anacharis plants
under it last year, but I don't think .1% salt ever bothered any of my
plants. There was a study on Koivet.com that indicated .1% effected
water hyacinths too, but I couldn't see that. As soon as water
hyacinths become available to me, I'm putting some more into a .1%
salt solution too.

Regards,

Hal

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

I am wondering if our weather is too cold to put the box of
salt in the pond?

Nedra

"Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote in message
news:20040323173905.567228c2@WizardsTower...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

I am wondering if our weather is too cold to put the box of
salt in the pond?

Nedra

"Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote in message
news:20040323173905.567228c2@WizardsTower...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a salt
treatment?


Joe


On 3/22/04 3:33 PM, "Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.



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Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a salt
treatment?


Joe


On 3/22/04 3:33 PM, "Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.



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On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L