uhhh.. really? I guess so. Just looked at it. had it turned to 22oC. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:

Thanks for the model info. I notice the controller works from 20-34C.
20C is 68F, so does that mean it is always on in the winter since I
doubt your pond reaches 68 in WI?


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sure. it is recommended for aquariums to use a couple small ones so if one goes
whacko it cant boil the fish. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:

I was also wondering, if you need a 500W heater, does it make more
sense to buy 2 250W heaters? Then, if one goes out, you at least have
some heat. It seems like that would maybe be safer.


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"dkat" wrote in message et...
I'm responding to the Subject header

wrote in message
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p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller.

(MC) wrote:
What kind of heater are you using?

Strange, your newreader managed to quote the previous artcle. Hmm. I
suspect it is more a matter of your newsreader software settings than
your news service. As you may be able to tell I use google groups for
posting. That way I can post from home or work and not have to do odd
things with my newsreader. And the posts will be there forever.
"For certain values of forever"
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Crashj

Thanks for the model info. I notice the controller works from 20-34C.
20C is 68F, so does that mean it is always on in the winter since I
doubt your pond reaches 68 in WI?

wrote in message ...
uncovered glass wouldnt survive in a pond with koi I dont think. the one I got has a
cage around it. the 500w is VT500 ($44) and the controller is VT500T ($30)

the JH500 titanium heater could be hung from something to prevent it from hitting the
liner. or, hung in a bucket. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:

I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
keep it from burning the liner?


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I was also wondering, if you need a 500W heater, does it make more
sense to buy 2 250W heaters? Then, if one goes out, you at least have
some heat. It seems like that would maybe be safer.

(MC) wrote in message . com...
Thanks for the model info. I notice the controller works from 20-34C.
20C is 68F, so does that mean it is always on in the winter since I
doubt your pond reaches 68 in WI?

wrote in message ...
uncovered glass wouldnt survive in a pond with koi I dont think. the one I got has a
cage around it. the 500w is VT500 ($44) and the controller is VT500T ($30)

the JH500 titanium heater could be hung from something to prevent it from hitting the
liner. or, hung in a bucket. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:

I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
keep it from burning the liner?


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Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
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Michael,
You could check out the wholesale to the public website
www.bestpondstuff.com
for wholesale prices on pond covers and heaters.
www.backyard-lifestyle.com is another valuable place to look.
Norman

On 8 Jul 2004 09:16:19 -0700, (MC) wrote:

I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
keep it from burning the liner?

wrote in message ...
p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller. but they
got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and the heater
is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people in warmer
zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune system goes
down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise over 50o until
mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it is VERY VERY
hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic ecosystem, or,
build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:
What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
have 500 gallons in Chicago.

It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
find them in the winter in Chicago.


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www.drsolo.com
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Michael,
You could check out the wholesale to the public website
www.bestpondstuff.com
for wholesale prices on pond covers and heaters.
www.backyard-lifestyle.com is another valuable place to look.
Norman

On 8 Jul 2004 09:16:19 -0700, (MC) wrote:

I must have an old catalog - no heaters on p. 361. Do you know the
brand? I am seeing a lot of glass aquarium type heaters which I would
think wouldn't be safe in a pond. With the metal heaters, how do you
keep it from burning the liner?

wrote in message ...
p. 361 of aquatic ecosystems catalog, $44 and extra 30 for the controller. but they
got titanium that are cheaper. mine has a separate temperature probe and the heater
is covered to prevent it from getting hit or melting liner down. people in warmer
zones dont understand that our ponds drop below 50o (when koi's immune system goes
down and feeding stops) sometime mid october in zone 5 and doesnt rise over 50o until
mid april. that is 6 months of no immunity and 6 months of no food. it is VERY VERY
hard on koi. you can always order some kind of pool from aquatic ecosystem, or,
build a stud wall pond in the basement and line that with permalon. Ingrid

(MC) wrote:
What kind of heater are you using? I've heard of people using trough
heaters and there seems to be several kinds of pond heaters. I only
have 500 gallons in Chicago.

It is early, but my first year I lost all my Koi (used a bubbler to
keep hole open). Last winter, I brought them inside. They are now kind
of big to bring inside. I am trying to plan ahead. If I need to bring
them inside this winter, I need to buy a kiddie pool and you can't
find them in the winter in Chicago.


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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.