I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.



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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:27:45 -0500, "Jim and Phyllis Hurley"
wrote:

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

pH Down - -
Muriatic acid (31% HCl) a doses of approximately 2 fluid ounces per
1000 gallons per day until the pH is about 8.5. I would not lower the
pH below 8.5 without also testing KH (alkalinity). Acid directly
consumes KH. If KH is lowered below ~100 mg/l, pH will become
unstable, and the pH measurements become meaningless.

Regards, Hal
http://members.cox.net/hrclark1/Index.html

In article , Hal
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:27:45 -0500, "Jim and Phyllis Hurley"
wrote:

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

pH Down - -
Muriatic acid (31% HCl) a doses of approximately 2 fluid ounces per
1000 gallons per day until the pH is about 8.5. I would not lower the
pH below 8.5 without also testing KH (alkalinity).

It will come down, but go right back up w/out acid.

At KH of 300 and knowing its a cement pond... this pH ain't going
anywhere unless its set up to a controller and a dosing pump.

You could also paint it with a 2 part epoxy paint.

Withstanding that, I leave it alone.


jay
Mon Jul 26, 2004




Acid directly
consumes KH. If KH is lowered below ~100 mg/l, pH will become
unstable, and the pH measurements become meaningless.

Regards, Hal
http://members.cox.net/hrclark1/Index.html

I am stepping outside of my area of expertise, but the manufacture of sodium
bicarb is by taking sodium hydroxide, (soda ash) and bubbling CO2 through it
so that the sodium + OH + CO2 yields NaHCO3. The concrete gives off calcium
hydroxide and the hydroxide, if pure has a pH of 14, though as calcium
hydroxide saturated it has a pH of around 12. I am guessing an excess of
hydroxide is causing the pH to be high, and by bubbling CO2 through the pond
the hydroxide would be changed to bicarbonates. Of course air stones would
bubble CO2 along with the other components of air. Underwater plants
produce CO2 at night, and in combination with air stones may help to lower
the pH.
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"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be
contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.



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I am stepping outside of my area of expertise, but the manufacture of sodium
bicarb is by taking sodium hydroxide, (soda ash) and bubbling CO2 through it
so that the sodium + OH + CO2 yields NaHCO3. The concrete gives off calcium
hydroxide and the hydroxide, if pure has a pH of 14, though as calcium
hydroxide saturated it has a pH of around 12. I am guessing an excess of
hydroxide is causing the pH to be high, and by bubbling CO2 through the pond
the hydroxide would be changed to bicarbonates. Of course air stones would
bubble CO2 along with the other components of air. Underwater plants
produce CO2 at night, and in combination with air stones may help to lower
the pH.
--
RichToyBox

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be
contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.



--
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I am stepping outside of my area of expertise, but the manufacture of sodium
bicarb is by taking sodium hydroxide, (soda ash) and bubbling CO2 through it
so that the sodium + OH + CO2 yields NaHCO3. The concrete gives off calcium
hydroxide and the hydroxide, if pure has a pH of 14, though as calcium
hydroxide saturated it has a pH of around 12. I am guessing an excess of
hydroxide is causing the pH to be high, and by bubbling CO2 through the pond
the hydroxide would be changed to bicarbonates. Of course air stones would
bubble CO2 along with the other components of air. Underwater plants
produce CO2 at night, and in combination with air stones may help to lower
the pH.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be
contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.



--
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I am stepping outside of my area of expertise, but the manufacture of sodium
bicarb is by taking sodium hydroxide, (soda ash) and bubbling CO2 through it
so that the sodium + OH + CO2 yields NaHCO3. The concrete gives off calcium
hydroxide and the hydroxide, if pure has a pH of 14, though as calcium
hydroxide saturated it has a pH of around 12. I am guessing an excess of
hydroxide is causing the pH to be high, and by bubbling CO2 through the pond
the hydroxide would be changed to bicarbonates. Of course air stones would
bubble CO2 along with the other components of air. Underwater plants
produce CO2 at night, and in combination with air stones may help to lower
the pH.
--
RichToyBox

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be
contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.



--
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I am stepping outside of my area of expertise, but the manufacture of sodium
bicarb is by taking sodium hydroxide, (soda ash) and bubbling CO2 through it
so that the sodium + OH + CO2 yields NaHCO3. The concrete gives off calcium
hydroxide and the hydroxide, if pure has a pH of 14, though as calcium
hydroxide saturated it has a pH of around 12. I am guessing an excess of
hydroxide is causing the pH to be high, and by bubbling CO2 through the pond
the hydroxide would be changed to bicarbonates. Of course air stones would
bubble CO2 along with the other components of air. Underwater plants
produce CO2 at night, and in combination with air stones may help to lower
the pH.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be
contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.



--
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See our pond at: home.bellsouth.net\p\pwp-jameshurley
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jogathon.net

I am stepping outside of my area of expertise, but the manufacture of sodium
bicarb is by taking sodium hydroxide, (soda ash) and bubbling CO2 through it
so that the sodium + OH + CO2 yields NaHCO3. The concrete gives off calcium
hydroxide and the hydroxide, if pure has a pH of 14, though as calcium
hydroxide saturated it has a pH of around 12. I am guessing an excess of
hydroxide is causing the pH to be high, and by bubbling CO2 through the pond
the hydroxide would be changed to bicarbonates. Of course air stones would
bubble CO2 along with the other components of air. Underwater plants
produce CO2 at night, and in combination with air stones may help to lower
the pH.
--
RichToyBox

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be
contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.



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Hmmmmm......

If the cement buffers it at its present level....and has been doing that for
several years (since it was made)....then the ph will not be why the plants
are yellowing this year! Less pressure on forcing the change.

I will add some tomato fertilizer and see what that does.

Jim

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"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article , Hal
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:27:45 -0500, "Jim and Phyllis Hurley"
wrote:

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be
contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact
higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

pH Down - -
Muriatic acid (31% HCl) a doses of approximately 2 fluid ounces per
1000 gallons per day until the pH is about 8.5. I would not lower the
pH below 8.5 without also testing KH (alkalinity).

It will come down, but go right back up w/out acid.

At KH of 300 and knowing its a cement pond... this pH ain't going
anywhere unless its set up to a controller and a dosing pump.

You could also paint it with a 2 part epoxy paint.

Withstanding that, I leave it alone.


jay
Mon Jul 26, 2004




Acid directly
consumes KH. If KH is lowered below ~100 mg/l, pH will become
unstable, and the pH measurements become meaningless.

Regards, Hal
http://members.cox.net/hrclark1/Index.html

This isn't a new pond, but an established one, with critters, is that
correct?

If so, imo, how old is your test kit? Do you do regular water changes?
What's the pH of the water you're adding?

My lily pond went up way high, I tried acid, over & over, kept going back
up. Tried 4 lbs of baking soda, nothing, still 9.2. Was told to do water
changes more often since the pH of my tap water is only 7.8. Four water
changes over about 8 days and the pH was back to 8.0. The most amazing
thing? It's held ever since, I'm clueless as to why, but all the plants are
doing great now. ~ jan




On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:27:45 -0500, "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote:

I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.

(Do you know where your water quality is?)

This isn't a new pond, but an established one, with critters, is that
correct?

If so, imo, how old is your test kit? Do you do regular water changes?
What's the pH of the water you're adding?

My lily pond went up way high, I tried acid, over & over, kept going back
up. Tried 4 lbs of baking soda, nothing, still 9.2. Was told to do water
changes more often since the pH of my tap water is only 7.8. Four water
changes over about 8 days and the pH was back to 8.0. The most amazing
thing? It's held ever since, I'm clueless as to why, but all the plants are
doing great now. ~ jan




On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:27:45 -0500, "Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote:

I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.

(Do you know where your water quality is?)

i'll try the change process.

Jim

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"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
This isn't a new pond, but an established one, with critters, is that
correct?

If so, imo, how old is your test kit? Do you do regular water changes?
What's the pH of the water you're adding?

My lily pond went up way high, I tried acid, over & over, kept going back
up. Tried 4 lbs of baking soda, nothing, still 9.2. Was told to do water
changes more often since the pH of my tap water is only 7.8. Four water
changes over about 8 days and the pH was back to 8.0. The most amazing
thing? It's held ever since, I'm clueless as to why, but all the plants
are
doing great now. ~ jan




On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:27:45 -0500, "Jim and Phyllis Hurley"
wrote:

I just checked the pond chem stats.

GH 75
KH 300
ph 9
Nitrates 0

Looks to me that the ph needs to come down and that that may be
contributing
to the problems of the WH.

How do we lower the ph effectively in a cement pond? It is in fact
higher
than usual, generally, we have been in the 8 range.

Speak, O pond muses.

(Do you know where your water quality is?)