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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
I am planning on a having a large veggie filter that will be fed by a pump
and will then flow back into the main pond. I am now considering a skimmer and a bottom drain. What kind of pump set would you use? Three smaller pumps? Can one or more of these functions share a pump? -- BenignVanilla tibetanbeefgarden.com x-no-archive: yes Remove MY SPLEEN to email me. |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
"BenignVanilla" wrote in message ...
I am planning on a having a large veggie filter that will be fed by a pump and will then flow back into the main pond. I am now considering a skimmer and a bottom drain. What kind of pump set would you use? Three smaller pumps? Can one or more of these functions share a pump? I'd use one pump for the bottom drain and veggie filter. My setup is an upflow filter design that pumps into a veggie filter. Justin http://www.geocities.com/justinm090 See my FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
"Justin" wrote in message
om... "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... I am planning on a having a large veggie filter that will be fed by a pump and will then flow back into the main pond. I am now considering a skimmer and a bottom drain. What kind of pump set would you use? Three smaller pumps? Can one or more of these functions share a pump? I'd use one pump for the bottom drain and veggie filter. My setup is an upflow filter design that pumps into a veggie filter. Justin http://www.geocities.com/justinm090 That was my next question...can I just dump the bottom drain output into my veggie filter. Seems like it makes sense. I am pumping water up to the filter anyway. Why not suck it from there? I guess if something fails though, this could empty the pond, because the bottom drains are so low... BV. |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
I have my skimmer and bottom drain both going to a stock tank which
acts like a settling tank/pre-filter. The pump draws from the stock tank. The top edge of the stock tank is a few inches higher than the normal water level so it is a gravity feed to the stock tank from the bottom drain and skimmer. "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... I am planning on a having a large veggie filter that will be fed by a pump and will then flow back into the main pond. I am now considering a skimmer and a bottom drain. What kind of pump set would you use? Three smaller pumps? Can one or more of these functions share a pump? |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
"Cleveland Ponder" wrote in message
om... I have my skimmer and bottom drain both going to a stock tank which acts like a settling tank/pre-filter. The pump draws from the stock tank. The top edge of the stock tank is a few inches higher than the normal water level so it is a gravity feed to the stock tank from the bottom drain and skimmer. I am confused...if the stock tank is above the water level...how is it gravity fed? Or did you mean it spills back into the pond via gravity? |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
You can install a backflow device in the system, that way water goes in to
the filter but not back out of the inlet pipe. May I strongly suggest that you dump the water from your bottom drain into a bio/mechanical filter first, then from that into your veggie filter. This way the biofilter gets all the muck and stuff first before going into your veggie filter. If you don't, and you get leaves into your veggie filter, when they decompose, they will generate ammonia and nitrates that will affect your pond, and you will also need to mechanically clean your veggie filter more often. Please learn from my mistakes. -- _______________________________________ "Architecture is the ultimate erotic 'object'." Bernard Tschumi, "Architecture & Transgression" http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... "Justin" wrote in message om... "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... I am planning on a having a large veggie filter that will be fed by a pump and will then flow back into the main pond. I am now considering a skimmer and a bottom drain. What kind of pump set would you use? Three smaller pumps? Can one or more of these functions share a pump? I'd use one pump for the bottom drain and veggie filter. My setup is an upflow filter design that pumps into a veggie filter. Justin http://www.geocities.com/justinm090 That was my next question...can I just dump the bottom drain output into my veggie filter. Seems like it makes sense. I am pumping water up to the filter anyway. Why not suck it from there? I guess if something fails though, this could empty the pond, because the bottom drains are so low... BV. |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
"Just Me "Koi"" wrote in message
... You can install a backflow device in the system, that way water goes in to the filter but not back out of the inlet pipe. May I strongly suggest that you dump the water from your bottom drain into a bio/mechanical filter first, then from that into your veggie filter. This way the biofilter gets all the muck and stuff first before going into your veggie filter. If you don't, and you get leaves into your veggie filter, when they decompose, they will generate ammonia and nitrates that will affect your pond, and you will also need to mechanically clean your veggie filter more often. My plan is to build a settlement tank that will precede the veggie filter. My thought is 3 5-6 gallon buckets from cheapo depot. The bottom drain would feed into the first bucket. A pipe then goes from the top (less sediment area) of the first bucket to the bottom of the second bucket. The second bucket is piped from top to the bottom of the third bucket. The third bucket contains a pump that takes from the top of the bucket and dumps into the veggie filter. I figure this will be cheap and easy to build. It should also be easy to clean with the proper valves in place. It will also be easy to employ, as I just need to dig a hole and drop it in. I could probably build something similar with one large vessel using a liner, but I am thinking the multiple vessels will help drop more sediment out. This way, I can also use it has a mechanical/bio filter if I decide to do so. BV. |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
BenignVanilla wrote:
My plan is to build a settlement tank that will precede the veggie filter. My thought is 3 5-6 gallon buckets from cheapo depot. The bottom drain would feed into the first bucket. A pipe then goes from the top (less sediment area) of the first bucket to the bottom of the second bucket. The second bucket is piped from top to the bottom of the third bucket. The third bucket contains a pump that takes from the top of the bucket and dumps into the veggie filter. I figure this will be cheap and easy to build. It should also be easy to clean with the proper valves in place. It will also be easy to employ, as I just need to dig a hole and drop it in. I could probably build something similar with one large vessel using a liner, but I am thinking the multiple vessels will help drop more sediment out. This way, I can also use it has a mechanical/bio filter if I decide to do so. BV. My only worry would be that the bucket would be too small and would clog quickly and then cause havoc. By having a larger settling tank (mine was 100 gallon stock tank) you wouldn't have that worry and it wouldn't be necessary to clean it weekly or possibly daily. -- Bonnie NJ |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
The water would not slow down enough to drop much is a 5 gallon bucket.
Howard "Bonnie Espenshade" wrote in message ... BenignVanilla wrote: My plan is to build a settlement tank that will precede the veggie filter. My thought is 3 5-6 gallon buckets from cheapo depot. The bottom drain would feed into the first bucket. A pipe then goes from the top (less sediment area) of the first bucket to the bottom of the second bucket. The second bucket is piped from top to the bottom of the third bucket. The third bucket contains a pump that takes from the top of the bucket and dumps into the veggie filter. I figure this will be cheap and easy to build. It should also be easy to clean with the proper valves in place. It will also be easy to employ, as I just need to dig a hole and drop it in. I could probably build something similar with one large vessel using a liner, but I am thinking the multiple vessels will help drop more sediment out. This way, I can also use it has a mechanical/bio filter if I decide to do so. BV. My only worry would be that the bucket would be too small and would clog quickly and then cause havoc. By having a larger settling tank (mine was 100 gallon stock tank) you wouldn't have that worry and it wouldn't be necessary to clean it weekly or possibly daily. -- Bonnie NJ |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
"Howard" (remove XYZ) wrote in message
... The water would not slow down enough to drop much is a 5 gallon bucket. Howard snip That seems to be a common thread. I figured 1 bucket would be too small, which is why I was thinking about the multi vessel idea. I was thinking with 3-4 buckets, maybe the sediment would fall out faster. I don't think it is worth the experimenting though, if I can just build a liner based settlement tank. Just a bit frustrating. Now I'll have the pond, the veggie filter/bog pond and now a third settlement pond. *laugh* BV. |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
The top edge of the stock tank is a few inches above the water level.
See ascii art below. the tank is approximately 22" deep which would put the bottom 18" - 20" below the pond water level. With the 4" pipes from the bottom drain and the skimmer attached to the bottom of the stock tank the water comes in to the stock tank at about 6psi. \---------/ \-----------------------------------------/ \ / \ / \-||--/ \ / || \ / || \------||-------------------------/ || --- Flow || ||______________________________|| |________________________________| "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... "Cleveland Ponder" wrote in message om... I have my skimmer and bottom drain both going to a stock tank which acts like a settling tank/pre-filter. The pump draws from the stock tank. The top edge of the stock tank is a few inches higher than the normal water level so it is a gravity feed to the stock tank from the bottom drain and skimmer. I am confused...if the stock tank is above the water level...how is it gravity fed? Or did you mean it spills back into the pond via gravity? |
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Filter, skimmer, bottom drain...how many pumps?
"BenignVanilla" wrote in message ...
"Justin" wrote in message om... That was my next question...can I just dump the bottom drain output into my veggie filter. Seems like it makes sense. I am pumping water up to the filter anyway. Why not suck it from there? I guess if something fails though, this could empty the pond, because the bottom drains are so low... Make sure your pump is not on the bottom and the bottom drain will not be a factor in emptying your pond. Justin |
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