An interesting article re-published on IHMP for your viewing pleasure,
http://www.iheartmypond.com/topic.asp?article=99736.


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BV,

This article has been around or has been reproduced in one form or another
for many years. Like I have said before this and related articles is for
"Aquaculture." I have been in touch with Ruth's department and they make no
translation for backyard ponds and suggest no recommendations for use of
salt in backyard KOI ponds or any other kind of ornamental ponds. This
article is for "Aquaculture."

If you are dealing with stocking concentrations of 1/2 pound to one pound
of fish per gallon of water then use the recommendations in this article,
but if you are running a KOI pond with one fish per 1,000 gallons and then
additional KOI per 100 gallons, you need to leave your salt on the kitchen
table or around the stove, because this article doesn't pretain to you and
your situation.

Tom L.L.
------------------------------------------------
"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
An interesting article re-published on IHMP for your viewing pleasure,
http://www.iheartmypond.com/topic.asp?article=99736.


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"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message
...
BV,

This article has been around or has been reproduced in one form or another
for many years. Like I have said before this and related articles is for
"Aquaculture." I have been in touch with Ruth's department and they make
no
translation for backyard ponds and suggest no recommendations for use of
salt in backyard KOI ponds or any other kind of ornamental ponds. This
article is for "Aquaculture."

If you are dealing with stocking concentrations of 1/2 pound to one pound
of fish per gallon of water then use the recommendations in this article,
but if you are running a KOI pond with one fish per 1,000 gallons and then
additional KOI per 100 gallons, you need to leave your salt on the kitchen
table or around the stove, because this article doesn't pretain to you and
your situation.

Sorry Tom, I was intending to say I had intent to salt the pond. I prefer
salt on my hard boiled eggs, not in my pond.

I just thought it was an interesting article, and since this has been a
"fun" topic here before, it was worth posting. Note my subject line...I do
mention aquaculture, so I am right there with you.

BV.

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...
snip
Sorry Tom, I was intending to say I had intent to salt the pond. I prefer
salt on my hard boiled eggs, not in my pond.

I just thought it was an interesting article, and since this has been a
"fun" topic here before, it was worth posting. Note my subject line...I do
mention aquaculture, so I am right there with you.

BV.

This is what I get for posting at night when I am tired. I meant to say I
was NOT NOT NOT NOT intending to salt my pond, nor encourage anyone to do
so.


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This is a lie. Dr. Floyd was Jo Ann's teacher and that is where Jo Ann learned to
use salt in ponds and tanks. Ingrid

"Benign Vanilla" wrote:

"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message
...
I have been in touch with Ruth's department and they make no
translation for backyard ponds and suggest no recommendations for use of
salt in backyard KOI ponds or any other kind of ornamental ponds.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

wrote:

This is a lie. Dr. Floyd was Jo Ann's teacher and that is where Jo Ann
learned to
use salt in ponds and tanks. Ingrid

"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message
...
I have been in touch with Ruth's department and they make no
translation for backyard ponds and suggest no recommendations for use of
salt in backyard KOI ponds or any other kind of ornamental ponds.

There's no call to be using language like that. There's no inconsistency
between one person learning to use salt in ponds based on some research,
and the research organization saying that they make no recommendations
about such. Dr. Floyd's research clearly _isn't_ related to small ponds
and you, as a researcher, should understand how irresponsible it would be
for the researchers to extrapolate their data to something they didn't
know.
--
derek

I most certainly do have "call" to use language like this. You havent been around
very long, but take a quick tour thru his messages directed at me over the years and
you will see hate filled, nasty dare I say heartless personal attacks on me in
addition to posting outright lies about me.

As to this last. He has made statements in the past about "personal phone
conversations" he has had with people. Jo Ann and I have called a couple of these
people to ask about the purported conversations, and they either denied ever talking
to him at all or deny saying what he reports. For years he has repeatedly attacked me
about the salt issue. I usually reference Dr. Floyd's article on salt which clearly
states how useful salt is. Facts online can be referenced and checked, phone calls
cannot. So in order to refute the use of salt use a "phone call" to "the department"
is produced where they deny salt has any use in ponds with pet fish. Like I said.
Dr. Floyd is the person taught Jo Ann about the uses of salt as it applied to her
aquarium and pond fish. Dr. Floyd is the person wrote the article. It is a totally
specious argument that salt is good for raising koi in large aquaculture ponds but
not for koi in a homeowners pond.

There is NO downside to having/using low levels of salt in a pond prophylactically.
OTOH, there are obvious benefits of salt to fish under stress, a condition that is
status quo in most ponds. Sharp temp drops, visits from herons or other predators,
bathing birds pooping parasites into the ponds, spawning, labs taking a swim. I have
probably one of the tightest ponds in terms of controlling various stressful
conditions but I am unwilling to take the risk to my fish...... I use salt. If you
dont want to, dont. But dont attack me for defending a very good and healthy
practice for keeping koi, one that is recommended by the experts. Ingrid


Derek Broughton wrote:
There's no call to be using language like that. There's no inconsistency
between one person learning to use salt in ponds based on some research,
and the research organization saying that they make no recommendations
about such. Dr. Floyd's research clearly _isn't_ related to small ponds
and you, as a researcher, should understand how irresponsible it would be
for the researchers to extrapolate their data to something they didn't
know.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

I most certainly do have "call" to use language like this. You havent been around
very long, but take a quick tour thru his messages directed at me over the years and
you will see hate filled, nasty dare I say heartless personal attacks on me in
addition to posting outright lies about me.

As to this last. He has made statements in the past about "personal phone
conversations" he has had with people. Jo Ann and I have called a couple of these
people to ask about the purported conversations, and they either denied ever talking
to him at all or deny saying what he reports. For years he has repeatedly attacked me
about the salt issue. I usually reference Dr. Floyd's article on salt which clearly
states how useful salt is. Facts online can be referenced and checked, phone calls
cannot. So in order to refute the use of salt use a "phone call" to "the department"
is produced where they deny salt has any use in ponds with pet fish. Like I said.
Dr. Floyd is the person taught Jo Ann about the uses of salt as it applied to her
aquarium and pond fish. Dr. Floyd is the person wrote the article. It is a totally
specious argument that salt is good for raising koi in large aquaculture ponds but
not for koi in a homeowners pond.

There is NO downside to having/using low levels of salt in a pond prophylactically.
OTOH, there are obvious benefits of salt to fish under stress, a condition that is
status quo in most ponds. Sharp temp drops, visits from herons or other predators,
bathing birds pooping parasites into the ponds, spawning, labs taking a swim. I have
probably one of the tightest ponds in terms of controlling various stressful
conditions but I am unwilling to take the risk to my fish...... I use salt. If you
dont want to, dont. But dont attack me for defending a very good and healthy
practice for keeping koi, one that is recommended by the experts. Ingrid


Derek Broughton wrote:
There's no call to be using language like that. There's no inconsistency
between one person learning to use salt in ponds based on some research,
and the research organization saying that they make no recommendations
about such. Dr. Floyd's research clearly _isn't_ related to small ponds
and you, as a researcher, should understand how irresponsible it would be
for the researchers to extrapolate their data to something they didn't
know.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Ingrid,

As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

Ruth is in Aquaculture dealing with the Aquaculture community. You can take
her aquaculture techniques and translate to a pond if you want, but that
doesn't say that she is promoting these techniques for the backyard pond.
You seem to think that Jo Ann and you are the only ones that have access to
these people, and that is a bunch of horse crap. Come on Ingrid, get you
head out of the sand, phones, internet and email make everyone accessable.

You can call me all the names in the world like you have in the past, but
that doesn't change the fact that just because Jo Ann took a couple of
courses with anyone has made an her expert or more knowledgealbe than others
in the field, especially the field of Aquaculture, which is the field of
expertise for Ruth, not back yard ponds. She may have suggested something
to Jo Ann in private over a cup of coffee, but there is nothing published
that supports it or your premise. Plus you always make it sound like Ruth
was Jo Ann's private tutor, she was in a class with other individuals.

I was in a class taught by Dr. Getz, a leader in the purification of Uranium
235, who's final research was the break through that allowed America's
plants to produce for bomb quality Uranium, but that doesn't make me an
expert in Uranium 235 purification. I was also in classes with the
gentleman who won the Noble Prize for his apparatus that first liquidified
Helium, but being in those classes doesn't make an expert in the this
apparatus or the process either.

So Jo Ann in the class with Ruth doesn't make her an expert either, so get
it together

Tom L.L.
------------------------------------------------
wrote in message
...
This is a lie. Dr. Floyd was Jo Ann's teacher and that is where Jo Ann
learned to
use salt in ponds and tanks. Ingrid

"Benign Vanilla" wrote:

"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message
...
I have been in touch with Ruth's department and they make no
translation for backyard ponds and suggest no recommendations for use of
salt in backyard KOI ponds or any other kind of ornamental ponds.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:15:34 -0600, "Tom L. La Bron"
wrote:

===Ingrid,
===
===As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.
snip

I'll drink to that! Some folks get their bubbles busted when they
find folks don't always agree with their view..........something of
which a lot of members in this forum seem not to be able to handle!

rec.ponds..........the fastest group to filter, and not pond water
either on the internet!


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I dont call you any names Tom. I said the phone call is a lie, a fabrication.
It is like the long period of time you insisted I didnt have a PhD, or that the
Puregold list was run out of Marquette, or that I promoted Jo Ann because I was
financially rewarded. All lies, all fabrications.
Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another "local fish
store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is she is a licensed
diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
she did graduate course work to obtain the license. She is invited back to Florida
to do presentations on GF at conferences. She is a real expert, one who not only has
done the course work but also run a successful business for 25-30 years, the acid
test if nothing else. And on top off all that, she has provided help to thousands of
people all over the world with their sick fish and done so FOR FREE.
Tom, instead of attacking me use your time helping other people. Ingrid

"Tom L. La Bron" wrote:
You can call me all the names in the world like you have in the past, but
that doesn't change the fact that just because Jo Ann took a couple of
courses with anyone has made an her expert or more knowledgealbe than others
in the field,


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

I dont call you any names Tom. I said the phone call is a lie, a fabrication.
It is like the long period of time you insisted I didnt have a PhD, or that the
Puregold list was run out of Marquette, or that I promoted Jo Ann because I was
financially rewarded. All lies, all fabrications.
Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another "local fish
store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is she is a licensed
diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
she did graduate course work to obtain the license. She is invited back to Florida
to do presentations on GF at conferences. She is a real expert, one who not only has
done the course work but also run a successful business for 25-30 years, the acid
test if nothing else. And on top off all that, she has provided help to thousands of
people all over the world with their sick fish and done so FOR FREE.
Tom, instead of attacking me use your time helping other people. Ingrid

"Tom L. La Bron" wrote:
You can call me all the names in the world like you have in the past, but
that doesn't change the fact that just because Jo Ann took a couple of
courses with anyone has made an her expert or more knowledgealbe than others
in the field,


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:15:34 -0600, "Tom L. La Bron"
wrote:

===Ingrid,
===
===As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.
snip

I'll drink to that! Some folks get their bubbles busted when they
find folks don't always agree with their view..........something of
which a lot of members in this forum seem not to be able to handle!

rec.ponds..........the fastest group to filter, and not pond water
either on the internet!


Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
I had no input whatsoever.
Remove "nospam" from email addy.

Ingrid,

As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

Ruth is in Aquaculture dealing with the Aquaculture community. You can take
her aquaculture techniques and translate to a pond if you want, but that
doesn't say that she is promoting these techniques for the backyard pond.
You seem to think that Jo Ann and you are the only ones that have access to
these people, and that is a bunch of horse crap. Come on Ingrid, get you
head out of the sand, phones, internet and email make everyone accessable.

You can call me all the names in the world like you have in the past, but
that doesn't change the fact that just because Jo Ann took a couple of
courses with anyone has made an her expert or more knowledgealbe than others
in the field, especially the field of Aquaculture, which is the field of
expertise for Ruth, not back yard ponds. She may have suggested something
to Jo Ann in private over a cup of coffee, but there is nothing published
that supports it or your premise. Plus you always make it sound like Ruth
was Jo Ann's private tutor, she was in a class with other individuals.

I was in a class taught by Dr. Getz, a leader in the purification of Uranium
235, who's final research was the break through that allowed America's
plants to produce for bomb quality Uranium, but that doesn't make me an
expert in Uranium 235 purification. I was also in classes with the
gentleman who won the Noble Prize for his apparatus that first liquidified
Helium, but being in those classes doesn't make an expert in the this
apparatus or the process either.

So Jo Ann in the class with Ruth doesn't make her an expert either, so get
it together

Tom L.L.
------------------------------------------------
wrote in message
...
This is a lie. Dr. Floyd was Jo Ann's teacher and that is where Jo Ann
learned to
use salt in ponds and tanks. Ingrid

"Benign Vanilla" wrote:

"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message
...
I have been in touch with Ruth's department and they make no
translation for backyard ponds and suggest no recommendations for use of
salt in backyard KOI ponds or any other kind of ornamental ponds.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

wrote:

This is a lie. Dr. Floyd was Jo Ann's teacher and that is where Jo Ann
learned to
use salt in ponds and tanks. Ingrid

"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message
...
I have been in touch with Ruth's department and they make no
translation for backyard ponds and suggest no recommendations for use of
salt in backyard KOI ponds or any other kind of ornamental ponds.

There's no call to be using language like that. There's no inconsistency
between one person learning to use salt in ponds based on some research,
and the research organization saying that they make no recommendations
about such. Dr. Floyd's research clearly _isn't_ related to small ponds
and you, as a researcher, should understand how irresponsible it would be
for the researchers to extrapolate their data to something they didn't
know.
--
derek