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Old Growth Roses?
Hi everybody, :-)
So I have been seeing the term Old Growth Roses being mentioned alot. Does this mean roses that are "classics?" Roses that have been grown from the 1900's, stuff like that? Can I buy them online? Are they similar to the HT roses that I have? Any tips on buying them, etc etc. Will they grow well in my Zones 9-10, Southern, CA? Thanks, :-) Emil Zones 9-10 |
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Old Growth Roses?
Emil wrote:
Hi everybody, :-) So I have been seeing the term Old Growth Roses being mentioned alot. Does this mean roses that are "classics?" Roses that have been grown from the 1900's, stuff like that? Can I buy them online? Are they similar to the HT roses that I have? Any tips on buying them, etc etc. Will they grow well in my Zones 9-10, Southern, CA? Emil, I am wondering if what you are thinking of is Old Garden Roses (frequently abbreviated OGRs), rather than Old Growth Roses? If it is OGRs that you are thinking about, they are roses that belong to the classes that were identified before the (arbitrary?) cut-off date of 1867. If it is OGRs that you are thinking about, there are many such roses that will do very well in your Zone 9-10 SoCal location, trust me - some are roses that others in climates with harsher winters cannot grow tbut you and I can - such as Chinas and Teas, for example. This is a very good site from where you can learn a lot about Old Garden Roses: http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/ Enjoy. -- Radika California USDA 9 / Sunset 15 |
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Old Growth Roses?
"Emil" wanted to know where to find Old Garden Roses... Hello Emil, This is a subject dear to my heart, as I love old garden roses and the majority (97%) of all our roses in this garden are ogr. The term is really a misnomer that arbitrarily was used to define roses that were both in commerce and known to exist prior to 1867, when the rose La France made her appearance. But commerce being commerce a name was needed to differentiate the roses that become known as Hybrid Teas and the rest that existed before then. They can indeed be bought around the country from some very nice vendors and you can even order from one of my favorites Pickering across the border into Canada. They are for the most part disease resistant, which has confused many a gardener by making them think that they are disease free. They get powdery mildew and/or black spot, some are what are called remontant which is a French term to say that they repeat their blooming period, and some are not. The ones that are not just will overwhelm you with blossoms and fragrance once, and while most gardeners will not think of accusing lilacs, peonies, tulip, rhododendrons and some such of being worthless in the garden for their once blooming, there is a certain stigma attached to roses that I have never heard to be of any importance for any other plant. At any rate, because of your zone I don't think you have to worry about the once blooming ones since the majority likes a cooler climate than yours. There are from singles (meaning five petals) to really full ladies, where 100 petals is not unusual. They came in just about any shade you may want to find, and from micro-miniatures to gigantic climbers. They come from China, Persia, Europe, and the only place I am aware of that has no native varieties is the Southern continent, where every single rose grown there had to have been imported. You will fall in love with them, but I would think that an easier way to get to know them is by going to your local rose garden if there is one around where you live. Otherwise there are beautiful books available at your library ( Classic Roses by Peter Beales is one) that can show you what they look like, color, how big they get and their fragrance to make your selection easier. There are newer roses that look like the old garden roses, most of them coming from England and France, the best known ones being the ones created by David Austin. You should check those at your local nursery. They are modern roses only because they have been created by David Austin in the past 30 years. But some have the look and the fragrance of the true old garden roses. If I can help you with your quest to increase your rose garden, ask and if I know the answer, I will be happy to share what I know. But for your zone you are better off asking Cass and Radika who I believe have similar growing climates. Emil, congratulations! To paraphrase Ric, "this is the beginning..." of a wonderful adventure for you! Allegra |
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Old Growth Roses?
"Radika Kesavan" wrote in message ... Emil wrote: Hi everybody, :-) So I have been seeing the term Old Growth Roses being mentioned alot. Does this mean roses that are "classics?" Roses that have been grown from the 1900's, stuff like that? Can I buy them online? Are they similar to the HT roses that I have? Any tips on buying them, etc etc. Will they grow well in my Zones 9-10, Southern, CA? Emil, I am wondering if what you are thinking of is Old Garden Roses (frequently abbreviated OGRs), rather than Old Growth Roses? Hmmmmm, I might be wrong in what I am asking. I always thought OGR= Old GROWTH roses, my mistake. :-( So Old GARDEN roses, I take it from you and Allegra, that these are the "classic roses" from the past, correct? Is there such a thing as Old GROWTH roses? Or such a thing does not exist? If it is OGRs that you are thinking about, they are roses that belong to the classes that were identified before the (arbitrary?) cut-off date of 1867. Ok, so it is Old GARDEN roses I am thinking about. This is a very good site from where you can learn a lot about Old Garden Roses: http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/ Enjoy. Radika Thanks, Emil |
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