Well, I finally found it. Shiva's favourite rose.

I was browsing a nursery this wet morning, looking for a pink old-style
rose to replace Mayor of Casterbridge (which had died a very sudden
death in its prime, from rose wilt virus I suspect). I ended up getting
Gruss An Aachen.

And then, I found it. Granada. Nearly knocked me over backwards. I
hadn't seen that old 60s variety in any nursery since the 90s, although
some specialists still stock it. It was even flowering, so I could tell
the label was correct.

Well, I couldn't just leave it there. Shiva would never have forgiven
me :-)

I've brought it home and placed it in a big, self-watering pot. Given
we're only a few days off Autumn, it will be interesting to see how well
it does before winter.

How hungry does Granada get, Shiva? I've mixed a good amount of
Osmocote into the potting soil, and layered the top with this new
lucerne mulch I am trying. You can see the stuff he
http://www.jtj.com.au/products/detai...d=22&page_id=5

Daniel Hanna wrote:

Well, I finally found it. Shiva's favourite rose.

Oh, Daniel, it is most beautiful in the fall. How large is the plant?


I was browsing a nursery this wet morning, looking for a pink old-style
rose to replace Mayor of Casterbridge (which had died a very sudden
death in its prime, from rose wilt virus I suspect). I ended up getting
Gruss An Aachen.

Nice rose. I've thought about it.


And then, I found it. Granada. Nearly knocked me over backwards. I
hadn't seen that old 60s variety in any nursery since the 90s, although
some specialists still stock it. It was even flowering, so I could tell
the label was correct.

Daniel, can you smell it? I've never had a single bloom that didn't have
the most outstanding fragrance. And, the thing is, you get a wholly
different form and quality of color if you bring the buds inside to open.
You get more of a spiral effect.


Well, I couldn't just leave it there. Shiva would never have forgiven
me :-)

Right you are! It is the best hybrid tea ever. Bet the women in your life
will love it as a cut flower, and the more you cut the more it makes.


How hungry does Granada get, Shiva? I've mixed a good amount of
Osmocote into the potting soil, and layered the top with this new
lucerne mulch I am trying.

I've never done anything special for it. All my roses get rich black soil,
lots of mulch, bone meal in the planting hole, lots of water, and generic
feeding. It isn't a "stay-in-bloom" rose, but the flushes are huge and
beautiful. You will probably get better results than I do with my generic
food.


I've brought it home and placed it in a big, self-watering pot. Given
we're only a few days off Autumn, it will be interesting to see how well
it does before winter.

What is a self-watering pot? And, when will you put it in the ground? My
first was a Star Rose, sometimes known to be virused. It is amazing.
Started off with one or two blooms, then WHAM! 25 blooms all opening at
the same time. That is when I took this:

http://www.cotse.net/users/hypatia/Roses/granbnch.jpg

Yay, Daniel! I think you will love this rose.

I've been wanting Granada for a while myself, and just picked up one
bareroot about 3 weeks ago. Given our incredibly mild winter (even for zone
9) and my sandy soil, I got it right in the ground and it's already got
about three inches of growth! Can't wait....

"Daniel Hanna" wrote in message
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Well, I finally found it. Shiva's favourite rose.

I was browsing a nursery this wet morning, looking for a pink old-style
rose to replace Mayor of Casterbridge (which had died a very sudden
death in its prime, from rose wilt virus I suspect). I ended up getting
Gruss An Aachen.

And then, I found it. Granada. Nearly knocked me over backwards. I
hadn't seen that old 60s variety in any nursery since the 90s, although
some specialists still stock it. It was even flowering, so I could tell
the label was correct.

Well, I couldn't just leave it there. Shiva would never have forgiven
me :-)

Please let me know how it goes in a pot? I am planning on buying 5 or 6 new
roses this winter that will be living in large pots and I've yet to make my
mind
up which ones I will be getting :-)

I've brought it home and placed it in a big, self-watering pot. Given
we're only a few days off Autumn, it will be interesting to see how well
it does before winter.

How do you find the self-watering pots? I had been concerned that it would
end up leaving the roots too moist but after this last January (that was hot
with no rain) the roses in pots just dried out too quickly.

How hungry does Granada get, Shiva? I've mixed a good amount of
Osmocote into the potting soil, and layered the top with this new
lucerne mulch I am trying. You can see the stuff he
http://www.jtj.com.au/products/detai...d=22&page_id=5

Did you mail order or get it from a local store? I have been thinking of
getting something
like this after reading the discussions on lucerne mulch but was unsure
where to buy it.

Thanks,

Kirra
Brisbane, Australia
Z10

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Shiva wrote:

Oh, Daniel, it is most beautiful in the fall. How large is the plant?

Only about 18 inches, Shiva. But I have some similar plantings from
last July at 6' now, so let's see what I can coax out of this one. :-)


Daniel, can you smell it? I've never had a single bloom that didn't
have the most outstanding fragrance. And, the thing is, you get a
wholly different form and quality of color if you bring the buds
inside to open. You get more of a spiral effect.

Yes, it smells good all right! I'll remember you tips on cutting.
There are many other varieties that I'd say the same for, including
Paradise, Black Velvet, Voodoo and Dame Elisabeth Murdoch.


What is a self-watering pot? And, when will you put it in the ground?

You've never seen a self-watering pot? Here's some:

http://www.heyne.com.au/gardencentre...ets/decor2.php

They are different from a normal pot with a water saucer. The base of
the pot is a concealed water reservoir. Water is kept away from direct
contact with the roots in the pot by an overflow hole, preventing
waterlogging. The roots can access water by capillary action through a
'wick' in the centre of the base which connects the reservoir to the
soil. Very popular in dry climates like Australia. My roses work
beautifully with them.

As to when I might put it in the ground? Well, that depends. I have a
revolving system of potted 'reserve' roses ready to replace those that
die or get shovel-pruned. So far my reserves are La Passionata (
probably the best red I have ever grown) and now Granada. I am very
keen to get La Passionata in next so Granada may have to wait... but
I'll take good care of her Shiva!

Daniel wrote:

Only about 18 inches, Shiva. But I have some similar plantings from
last July at 6' now, so let's see what I can coax out of this one. :-)

That's not a bad size! The two I got from Roses Unlimited in SC last fall
were maybe 12 inches tall, but very healthy. I went out and surveyed the
winter damage today and everybody looks good. I'm just waiting for the
Forsythia to bloom so that I can prune. Do you have Forsythia there?



Yes, it smells good all right!

Oh, man, I could just eat them up.


I'll remember you tips on cutting.
There are many other varieties that I'd say the same for, including
Paradise, Black Velvet, Voodoo and Dame Elisabeth Murdoch.

Add Rio Samba to the list. I think I need Voodoo, don't you? Black Velvet
is a floribunda? Or not?



You've never seen a self-watering pot? Here's some:

http://www.heyne.com.au/gardencentre...ets/decor2.php

They look neat, but can it be that the roses never actually sit in water?


They are different from a normal pot with a water saucer. The base of
the pot is a concealed water reservoir. Water is kept away from direct
contact with the roots in the pot by an overflow hole, preventing
waterlogging. The roots can access water by capillary action through a
'wick' in the centre of the base which connects the reservoir to the
soil. Very popular in dry climates like Australia. My roses work
beautifully with them.

Well I've got to find some of these and try them. If they aren't too
expensive I'll give a few a try.

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Shiva wrote:
Do you have Forsythia there?

Not to my knowledge although some specialist growers may have it.


Yes, it smells good all right!
Oh, man, I could just eat them up.

I smelt a definite hint of Double Delight in the fragrance. Looked up
helpmefind.com, and hey presto! Granada is a parent of Double Delight.
To my memory the Double Delight is stronger but it's an amazing scent
nonetheless.


Add Rio Samba to the list. I think I need Voodoo, don't you? Black
Velvet is a floribunda? Or not?

You DEFINITELY need Voodoo, you will swoon over it. 6' tall and not a
single spore of black spot or mildew this year. Incredible blooms.
Great fragrance. I won't rave on.

No luck finding Rio Samba in Aus yet but I'll keep the eyes peeled.

Black Velvet is an HT I discussed here some months ago. Google would
bring it up, but basically it's a black red velvet HT bred by Morey (US)
in 1960. No longer on sale in the US though. It's very disease
resistant although the blooms are a little small and not strongly enough
scented to earn a long term place in my garden.

Daniel Hanna wrote:


I smelt a definite hint of Double Delight in the fragrance. Looked up
helpmefind.com, and hey presto! Granada is a parent of Double Delight.
To my memory the Double Delight is stronger but it's an amazing scent
nonetheless.

Well, I knew aboout the parentage, but not that DD has a better scent. Now
I feel pretty sure I need DD. The colors do not appeal, but for good scent
I will let them grow on me. And heaven knows I will always need another
Prima Donna rose that will swoon unless I fuss over it, but deliver the
goods if I do!



You DEFINITELY need Voodoo, you will swoon over it. 6' tall and not a
single spore of black spot or mildew this year. Incredible blooms.
Great fragrance. I won't rave on.

Raving is good! Voodoo sounds great.

No luck finding Rio Samba in Aus yet but I'll keep the eyes peeled.

Good garden rose!

Double Delight is indeed spectacular, second only to Fragrant Cloud in the
scent department. For me it is not at all a prima donna; it's extremely
vigorous and rarely out of bloom. Also, amount of direct sun influences
color. More sun = cherry red and creamy yellow, less sun is off white with
blush.

Shiva wrote:


http://www.cotse.net/users/hypatia/Roses/granbnch.jpg

Yay, Daniel! I think you will love this rose.

Actually, that's pretty enough that now even I want that rose.

Cass wrote:

Shiva wrote:


http://www.cotse.net/users/hypatia/Roses/granbnch.jpg

Yay, Daniel! I think you will love this rose.

Actually, that's pretty enough that now even I want that rose.


I'm glad you like my pride and joy! Imagine a fluse of 20-some like this
on a two-year-old plant, all smelling totally delicious!! I couldn't fit
them all on the scanner. If any "Diva" hts, then this one. You won't be
sorry!