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Question about pruning roses
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says... Well, I cheated. It's a climbing Fairy, of course. I had a rosarian over to the house last week taking that possible white sport that I recently posted about and she said she didn't even know that there was a climbing sport of Fairy. And she said she asked several people at a recent Birmingham (maybe) show and none of *them* had ever heard of one either. So, I guess this plant isn't as widely known as I assumed that it was. I've heard of it. One of our kitties died a few years back and I buried her, and I think later that same day--it was winter--I was at the hardware store and saw this totally bedraggled The Fairy overwintering in a pot outside, you know the kind, so I planted that thing as a memorial right where the digging had become easy? So it came spring and The Fairy forgot all about its little pot prison. I've been watching this one cane of a rose I grow for quite some time-- the rose is Vigilance, it's a white sport of Jeanne LaJoie, a much-heralded climbing pink mini. It grows very much differently from J LaJ, at least here, it's a mounder instead of a climber. http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/clvig8x6.jpg You can see the cane I'm talking about, it's real obvious. I just don't know what to make of it and I'm lazy too, basically. If it is, it is, and cool. Well, you yourself talked about big/catalog appeal being important in the scheme of things. Frankly, there's big (when it comes to blooms - probably important in a lot of peoples minds) and big when it comes to plant structure (hardly important in an HT - when was the last time you saw a picture of a 10 ft + HT with little foliage and no blooms in a catalog). their biz is, of course cash, and mine's strictly entertainment. granted, few people would call it idyllic, but then, few people would also tell me how ugly it is, even if it is, right? when you said that, I thought somebody had hit the rewind button. and yadda yadda yadda. an interesting little development today. My longest longtime bud, the best man at both my weddings, Mr. Wargames, has ended up in Seattle, where he is from, and the house he bought has about 30 rose bushes. A few weeks back he told me how jazzed he was at this. (He's been here many times, knows about the jungle) Well today guess what, he sent me a pic of Mr. Lincoln. I'll withhold my comments on his pic cause he might someday get wind of rgr but in any case, suffice it to say he was pumped about it. Also sent me a pic of this 'white' rose, which he has already evidently dug up and relegated to the back yard--didn't know what it was but I'm pretty sure it was Margaret Merrill. Now *those were very pretty. Reminded me of this thread, almost to a T. So I gave him the link for the Mr. Lincoln and without so much as saying a word about it, I told him to write me back and tell me what his reaction was to this pic. I'll let you know. hahahahaha I looked at it again btw. From about 5 feet up it's got plenty of those earliest of early red red leaves. So basically, I'd say that was just about the right amount of nakedness and in perfect proportion to the rest of the plant. heheh For me, big would be important in a bush-type rose, but of little significance in an HT. I have a plant that combines the both of both worlds though, and that's Aloha. It definitely doesn't have an HT appearance in the bush form that it takes in my yard. Aloha's an unusual bird--most non-sport climbers are called Large Flowered Climbers, but that one's classified a Climbing HT. Never grown it. Frankly, I don't really care all that much for HTs in general, other than the fact that I have a few varieties that make good arrangements in vases and are eye-catchers when in bloom. Otherwise, I think that most of the time, they're pretty ugly plants. I much prefer things that have more visual interest in addition to the blooms, i.e. structure and foliage. yo tambien. and visual interest, well I still most definitely think Mr. Lincoln as I know it, qualifies. Very few things about the plantation here are orthodox. I thought that dissing a whole class of "follow-on" Peaces was pretty ascerbic. Ballistic? Almost. The followup to my post certainly was borderline ballistic. ok, sorry. Dave, I've been through the Peace thing a few times. Would you care to speculate on the Commemorative Rose for the war just 'ended'? What the hell are we going to call a rose named after an indefinite period? I just think of these J$P guys rubbing their hands together every time they bring out the F-117s. I'm not so enthralled with Peace that I don't see wasted dastardly examples but I see that with just about all roses. Old Garden Roses, for the most part, and for some reason, do not have this propensity to sway so far either way from the average blossom. I think it's weird that you freak out over the name of a plant that has just as good of structure *and* more vivid colors than your two favorite Peace plants. You rave over the variation in colors in Peace and yet it can't hold a candle to the variations and depth of color that Desert Peace offers. And Chicago Peace only comes close, from the fictures I've seen. fictures, I like it. And I don't disbelieve you. I liked it too when I saw it. usage doth a word make, it's getting used. Maybe you need to embrace your feminine side. I embrace my feminine side plenty enough, I'm growing five clitoria this season. You might try interacting with them. They're not big enough yet. That's why you have to interact with them. They get bigger that way. Looked at them yesterday. They're growing. I don't know how you make this leap. But, for the record, I now get that you were talking tongue in cheek. I *really* didn't know that, since most of the bushes that you've posted here don't resemble that in the least. And since you seem opposed to regular shape in roses, I thought that you might have thought of that as a pruned big yew with blooms. I have a yew tree, same size as Sunsprite, they're basically twins, nope, no confusion. Can't tell if you take my point. I don't know which kinda yew tree you're talking about. I have the one that looks like a succulent from the ground up to about 7 feet now, the thought of a pruned one of these is like totally foreign to my brain. but no, absolutely not, that's what roses are supposed to do--right now there are 2 hundred foot double-rowed walls and 1 50 foot wall of roses, solid gd roses, and growing together most dangerously. If I don't do something soon, there's going to be this 100 fffoot wall with one weird side that's 40 or 50 feet wide. A battle to the death, take no quarter, that's what it seems they're doing. I don't have many roses that are lucky enough to stand alone, full-sun like that. Cl. Cecile Brunner's one. Huge mound, solid blooms. I guess I could count the Raz Ice, Nevada, Foetida Bicolor, Dortmund, and Carefree Wonder mound as kinda like that. In any case that one's where I've always lived, here. One of these units, Nevada, was once an ARS Rose of the Month. Never mind that someone was in a bind and needed something quick, but just the same... That person's actually been to the house. stayed in Socorro overnight. Hasn't been here lately though. A tree freak might like the evolution since then but I have mixed feelings about things which affect about half the gd roses. Even though I'm a tree freak. Hell I have a sugar maple on the north side of the house, shoots straight up bout 30 feet now. Had 2 Crimson King Maples at different times, you simply wouldn't believe what the sun did to those leaves. Stunning, that spring red, but man, pure torture after that. Have all the common fruit trees. My fave tree is the Dawn Redwood, it's on its way. what would johnny cochran say? Who's "Johnny" Cochran? hahaha. oman. he was oj's lawyer. oj simpson. heheh. Sorry. Didn't mean to offend by using the word "dealing". Heck, I'm just a novice when it comes to roses. My garden's only in its 3rd year. Coincidentally, that's when I bought my house. If it weren't for the big 40 year old Aloha bush in the front yard, I might not be have become enamored with roses. I have a 40 year old rose, actually 42, Girl Scout. It was born and bred a runt and it's a runt today. Besides the one that came from this one and is now growing in the world's greatest Rose Garden, it's the only known specimen in the world, although I'm positive it's still growing somewhere, and probably even lots of places, but the odds of it remaining anonymous are growing greater daily. If someone out there is still growing this rose, they have never been on a computer. I get several mails each spring from Girl Scout leaders and former Girl Scouts looking for this rose. One of em told me they had a big group of Girl Scout Rosers, and they be doing the network thing looking for this rose, and to no avail. It's so surprising, almost unconscienable, that the Girl Scouts of America allowed this rose to just disappear. My mom was a Girl Scout leader, got this rose from The Troops. heheh. 1961. guess that'll do it for this one, man. m oh, almost forgot. you gave me a list of busted links, thanks for that. the problem is, the list of pics (from which pic to which pic) haven't existed on the page for quite some time. Someone else recently sent me a mail describing the same problem. Anyone knows what causes this? I'm going to have to ask around today. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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