Dave - my only experience pruning that way
has been with ramblers - my husband will often
take a gas powered hedge trimmer to a well
established growth of 4 Red Cascade.

However, I also have rabbits who have a
tendency to do straight cuts on some of my
roses. Most do just fine and grow back without
a problem.

Given your specific problem rose, what about
an experiment? Prune a cane or two with
the straight across method, at the same time
prune another cane or two using the traditional
method. Keep track of how they do.

Good luck!

Gail

Dave - my only experience pruning that way
has been with ramblers - my husband will often
take a gas powered hedge trimmer to a well
established growth of 4 Red Cascade.

However, I also have rabbits who have a
tendency to do straight cuts on some of my
roses. Most do just fine and grow back without
a problem.

Given your specific problem rose, what about
an experiment? Prune a cane or two with
the straight across method, at the same time
prune another cane or two using the traditional
method. Keep track of how they do.

Good luck!

Gail

Thank you once again for your kind words, your not a related to that grape
grower are you?

Just to make a few points double'y clear!!:-

* I need to respond when information about our web site is incorrect,
obvious really!
* Agreed the Bexrose web site is a young site having been started at the
beginning of this year (rather that immature, grapes again!).
* We are working on developing the site as can be clearly seen from my
postings here that are frequently reporting new stuff being added to the
site.
* If you care to read the articles on our web site you will find that they
not only provide good information (as given by some others of course, but
should we leave this out? of course not!) but also information and advice
not given elsewhere to my knowledge. We are definitely not into plagiarism
we have no need with our experience!
* Lumping your two last points:- I am not worried in the first instance I
think that I have caught on sufficiently to know that even Anti-Postings
make good advertisements. This is proven to me by the hit count and by
direct emails for the newsgroup readers.
* I have not seen your own site yet but I am looking forward to taking a
browse. I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks once again for your own bluster, it all helps!

Regards

Martin Double
Bexrose - Webmaster

Email:
Web Site: http://home.btconnect.com/cadoss/bexrose

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

So for the best of the best look again at:-
http://home.btconnect.com/cadoss/bexrose and don't forget to read it all,
and between the lines!

It's not a bad site for a UK specific website. It's an immature site
that I'm sure will grow with time. But it's hardly "the best of the
best". It's barely adequate. It doesn't address very many rose issues
and is pretty much barebones.

For instance, *our* local website has FAR more valuable information
regarding roses.

http://www.nashvillerosesociety.com/

I don't care much for the look and feel of the NRS site, but it still
offers practical information about the challenges that our area offers
(issues that are FAR different than the issues that the UK growers
face).

So, drop the smugness and get on with building your site.

PS, we have quite a few National winning members as well, including a
well-known breeder or two *and* Ted Mills, who makes one of the most
famous rose formulations sold in the States. I haven't been a member
for a couple of years, but I still consult the website on occasion.

Your site frankly doesn't need your bluster.

That must be good advice then if you have five books in agreement with our
own article on pruning! Perhaps that say's something in itself?

Yes, it says that, while it's OK to offer that *widely* available
information on *your* web site (only one of dozens of websites that
give the same information I might add), next time, please read the
post before you promote your site instead of relying on a simple
keyword to trigger some sort of quasiautoresponsebot sort of response.

It will do your cause well, instead of causing people to ignore
possible HELPFUL posts from you, as well as possibly avoiding the very
website that you are trying to promote.

Don' worry though, once you've been in the newsgroups awhile, you're
likely to catch on.

Thank you once again for your kind words, your not a related to that grape
grower are you?

Just to make a few points double'y clear!!:-

* I need to respond when information about our web site is incorrect,
obvious really!
* Agreed the Bexrose web site is a young site having been started at the
beginning of this year (rather that immature, grapes again!).
* We are working on developing the site as can be clearly seen from my
postings here that are frequently reporting new stuff being added to the
site.
* If you care to read the articles on our web site you will find that they
not only provide good information (as given by some others of course, but
should we leave this out? of course not!) but also information and advice
not given elsewhere to my knowledge. We are definitely not into plagiarism
we have no need with our experience!
* Lumping your two last points:- I am not worried in the first instance I
think that I have caught on sufficiently to know that even Anti-Postings
make good advertisements. This is proven to me by the hit count and by
direct emails for the newsgroup readers.
* I have not seen your own site yet but I am looking forward to taking a
browse. I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks once again for your own bluster, it all helps!

Regards

Martin Double
Bexrose - Webmaster

Email:
Web Site: http://home.btconnect.com/cadoss/bexrose

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

So for the best of the best look again at:-
http://home.btconnect.com/cadoss/bexrose and don't forget to read it all,
and between the lines!

It's not a bad site for a UK specific website. It's an immature site
that I'm sure will grow with time. But it's hardly "the best of the
best". It's barely adequate. It doesn't address very many rose issues
and is pretty much barebones.

For instance, *our* local website has FAR more valuable information
regarding roses.

http://www.nashvillerosesociety.com/

I don't care much for the look and feel of the NRS site, but it still
offers practical information about the challenges that our area offers
(issues that are FAR different than the issues that the UK growers
face).

So, drop the smugness and get on with building your site.

PS, we have quite a few National winning members as well, including a
well-known breeder or two *and* Ted Mills, who makes one of the most
famous rose formulations sold in the States. I haven't been a member
for a couple of years, but I still consult the website on occasion.

Your site frankly doesn't need your bluster.

That must be good advice then if you have five books in agreement with our
own article on pruning! Perhaps that say's something in itself?

Yes, it says that, while it's OK to offer that *widely* available
information on *your* web site (only one of dozens of websites that
give the same information I might add), next time, please read the
post before you promote your site instead of relying on a simple
keyword to trigger some sort of quasiautoresponsebot sort of response.

It will do your cause well, instead of causing people to ignore
possible HELPFUL posts from you, as well as possibly avoiding the very
website that you are trying to promote.

Don' worry though, once you've been in the newsgroups awhile, you're
likely to catch on.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:02:56 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

Dave - my only experience pruning that way
has been with ramblers - my husband will often
take a gas powered hedge trimmer to a well
established growth of 4 Red Cascade.

However, I also have rabbits who have a
tendency to do straight cuts on some of my
roses. Most do just fine and grow back without
a problem.

Given your specific problem rose, what about
an experiment? Prune a cane or two with
the straight across method, at the same time
prune another cane or two using the traditional
method. Keep track of how they do.

Good luck!

Gail

Well, I'm looking for more of a total bush approach. I sort of thought
that the idea of cutting straight across the middle of a large bush
was rather whacked (pardon the pun), but the poster said that it
seemed to work well. I wish I could find the original post. I'd like
some details about it this unusual technique.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:02:56 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

Dave - my only experience pruning that way
has been with ramblers - my husband will often
take a gas powered hedge trimmer to a well
established growth of 4 Red Cascade.

However, I also have rabbits who have a
tendency to do straight cuts on some of my
roses. Most do just fine and grow back without
a problem.

Given your specific problem rose, what about
an experiment? Prune a cane or two with
the straight across method, at the same time
prune another cane or two using the traditional
method. Keep track of how they do.

Good luck!

Gail

Well, I'm looking for more of a total bush approach. I sort of thought
that the idea of cutting straight across the middle of a large bush
was rather whacked (pardon the pun), but the poster said that it
seemed to work well. I wish I could find the original post. I'd like
some details about it this unusual technique.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

That must be good advice then if you have five books in agreement
with our
own article on pruning! Perhaps that say's something in itself?

Yes, it says that, while it's OK to offer that *widely* available
information on *your* web site (only one of dozens of websites that
give the same information I might add), next time, please read the
post before you promote your site instead of relying on a simple
keyword to trigger some sort of quasiautoresponsebot sort of
response.

It will do your cause well, instead of causing people to ignore
possible HELPFUL posts from you, as well as possibly avoiding the
very
website that you are trying to promote.

Since you chose to raise the topic, I will mention that your own posts
to urg have done your own cause, whatever that might be, a great deal
of harm, so why don't you just bugger off?

The Bexhill Rose Society is doing everybody interested in roses a
great service maintaining their excellent website.

Don' worry though, once you've been in the newsgroups awhile, you're
likely to catch on.

Put that in front of a mirror.

Franz

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

So for the best of the best look again at:-
http://home.btconnect.com/cadoss/bexrose and don't forget to read
it all,
and between the lines!

It's not a bad site for a UK specific website. It's an immature site
that I'm sure will grow with time. But it's hardly "the best of the
best". It's barely adequate. It doesn't address very many rose
issues
and is pretty much barebones.

For instance, *our* local website has FAR more valuable information
regarding roses.

http://www.nashvillerosesociety.com/

I don't care much for the look and feel of the NRS site, but it
still
offers practical information about the challenges that our area
offers
(issues that are FAR different than the issues that the UK growers
face).

So, drop the smugness and get on with building your site.

PS, we have quite a few National winning members as well, including
a
well-known breeder or two *and* Ted Mills, who makes one of the most
famous rose formulations sold in the States. I haven't been a member
for a couple of years, but I still consult the website on occasion.

Your site frankly doesn't need your bluster.

And to be even more frank, uk.rec.gardens needs your bluster even
less.

Franz

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

So for the best of the best look again at:-
http://home.btconnect.com/cadoss/bexrose and don't forget to read
it all,
and between the lines!

It's not a bad site for a UK specific website. It's an immature site
that I'm sure will grow with time. But it's hardly "the best of the
best". It's barely adequate. It doesn't address very many rose
issues
and is pretty much barebones.

For instance, *our* local website has FAR more valuable information
regarding roses.

http://www.nashvillerosesociety.com/

I don't care much for the look and feel of the NRS site, but it
still
offers practical information about the challenges that our area
offers
(issues that are FAR different than the issues that the UK growers
face).

So, drop the smugness and get on with building your site.

PS, we have quite a few National winning members as well, including
a
well-known breeder or two *and* Ted Mills, who makes one of the most
famous rose formulations sold in the States. I haven't been a member
for a couple of years, but I still consult the website on occasion.

Your site frankly doesn't need your bluster.

And to be even more frank, uk.rec.gardens needs your bluster even
less.

Franz

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:16:39 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

Thank you once again for your kind words, your not a related to that grape
grower are you?

Just to make a few points double'y clear!!:-

* I need to respond when information about our web site is incorrect,
obvious really!
* Agreed the Bexrose web site is a young site having been started at the
beginning of this year (rather that immature, grapes again!).
* We are working on developing the site as can be clearly seen from my
postings here that are frequently reporting new stuff being added to the
site.
* If you care to read the articles on our web site you will find that they
not only provide good information (as given by some others of course, but
should we leave this out? of course not!) but also information and advice
not given elsewhere to my knowledge. We are definitely not into plagiarism
we have no need with our experience!
* Lumping your two last points:- I am not worried in the first instance I
think that I have caught on sufficiently to know that even Anti-Postings
make good advertisements. This is proven to me by the hit count and by
direct emails for the newsgroup readers.
* I have not seen your own site yet but I am looking forward to taking a
browse. I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks once again for your own bluster, it all helps!

Regards

Martin Double
Bexrose - Webmaster

Well, that cinches it. You're officially an asshole...with a
website...go figure...

Goodbye.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:16:39 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

Thank you once again for your kind words, your not a related to that grape
grower are you?

Just to make a few points double'y clear!!:-

* I need to respond when information about our web site is incorrect,
obvious really!
* Agreed the Bexrose web site is a young site having been started at the
beginning of this year (rather that immature, grapes again!).
* We are working on developing the site as can be clearly seen from my
postings here that are frequently reporting new stuff being added to the
site.
* If you care to read the articles on our web site you will find that they
not only provide good information (as given by some others of course, but
should we leave this out? of course not!) but also information and advice
not given elsewhere to my knowledge. We are definitely not into plagiarism
we have no need with our experience!
* Lumping your two last points:- I am not worried in the first instance I
think that I have caught on sufficiently to know that even Anti-Postings
make good advertisements. This is proven to me by the hit count and by
direct emails for the newsgroup readers.
* I have not seen your own site yet but I am looking forward to taking a
browse. I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks once again for your own bluster, it all helps!

Regards

Martin Double
Bexrose - Webmaster

Well, that cinches it. You're officially an asshole...with a
website...go figure...

Goodbye.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:32:30 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

That must be good advice then if you have five books in agreement
with our
own article on pruning! Perhaps that say's something in itself?

Yes, it says that, while it's OK to offer that *widely* available
information on *your* web site (only one of dozens of websites that
give the same information I might add), next time, please read the
post before you promote your site instead of relying on a simple
keyword to trigger some sort of quasiautoresponsebot sort of
response.

It will do your cause well, instead of causing people to ignore
possible HELPFUL posts from you, as well as possibly avoiding the
very
website that you are trying to promote.

Since you chose to raise the topic, I will mention that your own posts
to urg have done your own cause, whatever that might be, a great deal
of harm, so why don't you just bugger off?

My cause, as you put it, was not to be lectured by someone when I'm
trying to get information that was recently posted on this newsgroup.
there's nothing new about pruning on the Bexrose site and I was
specifically requesting information about a specific (even if Mr.
Double thinks it's wrong) pruning method that sounded controversial
enough to be interesting.

The Bexhill Rose Society is doing everybody interested in roses a
great service maintaining their excellent website.

Well, you and I differ on the quality. It's not a bad site, but it's
not "the best of the best", in my humble opinion. Not even close. I
can guarantee you that I won't be monitoring it, giving Mr. Double any
more "hits", as it matures.

Don' worry though, once you've been in the newsgroups awhile, you're
likely to catch on.

Put that in front of a mirror.

You first. Lecture all you want.

"Shiva" wrote in message
news:aHlwYXRpYQ==.7202601e91c8468d4eac99439faceacd @1093036389.nulluser.com...
Franz Heymann wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

That must be good advice then if you have five books in
agreement
with our
own article on pruning! Perhaps that say's something in itself?

Yes, it says that, while it's OK to offer that *widely*
available
information on *your* web site (only one of dozens of websites
that
give the same information I might add), next time, please read
the
post before you promote your site instead of relying on a simple
keyword to trigger some sort of quasiautoresponsebot sort of
response.

It will do your cause well, instead of causing people to ignore
possible HELPFUL posts from you, as well as possibly avoiding
the







very
website that you are trying to promote.

Since you chose to raise the topic, I will mention that your own
posts
to urg have done your own cause, whatever that might be, a great
deal
of harm, so why don't you just bugger off?

The Bexhill Rose Society is doing everybody interested in roses a
great service maintaining their excellent website.

Don' worry though, once you've been in the newsgroups awhile,
you're
likely to catch on.

Put that in front of a mirror.

Franz


Hey Martin aka "Franz." You looked like an idiot when you
were just popping up at every moment promoting your
half-assed web site. Now that you are talking to yourself
via a sock puppet you look even worse. We can read HEADERS,
moron.

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

"Shiva" wrote in message
news:aHlwYXRpYQ==.7202601e91c8468d4eac99439faceacd @1093036389.nulluser.com...
Franz Heymann wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

That must be good advice then if you have five books in
agreement
with our
own article on pruning! Perhaps that say's something in itself?

Yes, it says that, while it's OK to offer that *widely*
available
information on *your* web site (only one of dozens of websites
that
give the same information I might add), next time, please read
the
post before you promote your site instead of relying on a simple
keyword to trigger some sort of quasiautoresponsebot sort of
response.

It will do your cause well, instead of causing people to ignore
possible HELPFUL posts from you, as well as possibly avoiding
the







very
website that you are trying to promote.

Since you chose to raise the topic, I will mention that your own
posts
to urg have done your own cause, whatever that might be, a great
deal
of harm, so why don't you just bugger off?

The Bexhill Rose Society is doing everybody interested in roses a
great service maintaining their excellent website.

Don' worry though, once you've been in the newsgroups awhile,
you're
likely to catch on.

Put that in front of a mirror.

Franz


Hey Martin aka "Franz." You looked like an idiot when you
were just popping up at every moment promoting your
half-assed web site. Now that you are talking to yourself
via a sock puppet you look even worse. We can read HEADERS,
moron.

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:56:22 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC), "Martin"
wrote:

So for the best of the best look again at:-
http://home.btconnect.com/cadoss/bexrose and don't forget to read
it all,
and between the lines!

It's not a bad site for a UK specific website. It's an immature site
that I'm sure will grow with time. But it's hardly "the best of the
best". It's barely adequate. It doesn't address very many rose
issues
and is pretty much barebones.

For instance, *our* local website has FAR more valuable information
regarding roses.

http://www.nashvillerosesociety.com/

I don't care much for the look and feel of the NRS site, but it
still
offers practical information about the challenges that our area
offers
(issues that are FAR different than the issues that the UK growers
face).

So, drop the smugness and get on with building your site.

PS, we have quite a few National winning members as well, including
a
well-known breeder or two *and* Ted Mills, who makes one of the most
famous rose formulations sold in the States. I haven't been a member
for a couple of years, but I still consult the website on occasion.

Your site frankly doesn't need your bluster.

And to be even more frank, uk.rec.gardens needs your bluster even
less.

Franz

Well, tell your "Double" to stop crossposting then. My original post
was rec.gardens.roses ONLY.

Wenn ich unhöflich war, würde ich "Halt's Maul" sagen.