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Greed driving plant science
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Greed driving plant science
But there need to be much better plans to keep this kind of thing from being able to happen. The only possible solution which will work is to forbid the growing of pharmaceutical plants completely. Any other approach is guaranteed to lead to contamination of the food supply, as with StarLink and Prodigene... regards Marcus |
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Marcus Williamson wrote in message ... But there need to be much better plans to keep this kind of thing from being able to happen. The only possible solution which will work is to forbid the growing of pharmaceutical plants completely. Any other approach is guaranteed to lead to contamination of the food supply, as with StarLink and Prodigene... following the logic of this it would be wise to ban the prescription of antibiotics to people who were allowed to remain in the community where they might forget to finish a course. The increase in TB shows how big a risk that is. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' regards Marcus |
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Marcus Williamson writes
RR genes will have no effect on wild populations But they do. They lead to herbicide-resistant weeds... So what? That confers no advantage outside the field. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz wrote in message ... Marcus Williamson writes RR genes will have no effect on wild populations But they do. They lead to herbicide-resistant weeds... So what? That confers no advantage outside the field. herbicide resistance is an irrelevance really. Indeed one would have thought that those campaigning on the issue would be glad to see a lot of herbicides scrapped. Unfortunately they have taken a stand on all GM is wrong. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz wrote: ... However maize in europe has no species to x-breed with, so it's not an issue. They thought the same in USA. The GM corn ended up in México. Corn can travel across continents, and does so regularly. I have yet to see any data on leguminous crops, where insect resistance would be advantageous. Brassicae family are profligate switchers of genes. I don;t know if we have goatgrass in europe, it doesn't feature in the bad weed tables, anyway. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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wrote in message ... Oz wrote: ... However maize in europe has no species to x-breed with, so it's not an issue. They thought the same in USA. The GM corn ended up in México. Corn can travel across continents, and does so regularly. just check your map, there didn't use to be a continental land bridge between Europe and South America -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' .. |
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Oz wrote: writes .... They thought the same in USA. The GM corn ended up in México. Corn can travel across continents, and does so regularly. You may not have noticed, but there is something called 'the atlantic' between europe and mexico whilst there is nothing but a bit of barbed wire between the US and mexico. Corn can travel in ships across the Atlantic, the Pacific or the Indian Ocean. Further GM corn was being grown in mexico, so little need to 'travel This corn was exported legally from the USA to Mexico. Was supposed to be milled but ended up in mexican markets. across continents'. IIRC in the quoted work it merely had to travel a few tens of km. What it does show, though, is that genes from modern cultivars of maize will affect 'legacy' maize, and presumably has been doing so for many decades. Any pig virus genes found naturally in teocinte? Teosinte, of course, is known to have been x-breeding with maize for several millennia. It hasn't changed much though, nor have the brassicae-rape hybrids, they still look just the same. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Jim Webster wrote: wrote in message They thought the same in USA. The GM corn ended up in México. Corn can travel across continents, and does so regularly. just check your map, there didn't use to be a continental land bridge between Europe and South America Corn can travel across continents, and does so regularly. "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' . |
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Oz wrote: writes Oz wrote: writes ... They thought the same in USA. The GM corn ended up in México. Corn can travel across continents, and does so regularly. You may not have noticed, but there is something called 'the atlantic' between europe and mexico whilst there is nothing but a bit of barbed wire between the US and mexico. Corn can travel in ships across the Atlantic, the Pacific or the Indian Ocean. 1) Not seed corn. That would be restricted. 2) Please inform me of the last time europe shipped maize to the americas? milling is done wherever is cheaper or convenient. I am not connected to the cargo databases to know when was the last time that europe shipped maize anywhere. But if europe had a load of rotten maize somewhere in europe, I bet it ended up somewhere in the third world. Further GM corn was being grown in mexico, so little need to 'travel This corn was exported legally from the USA to Mexico. Was supposed to be milled but ended up in mexican markets. The scientific american article said it was commercial seed from some distance away (about 10km IIRC). across continents'. IIRC in the quoted work it merely had to travel a few tens of km. What it does show, though, is that genes from modern cultivars of maize will affect 'legacy' maize, and presumably has been doing so for many decades. Any pig virus genes found naturally in teocinte? Any pig virus genes in commercial cultivars? Would teosinte care? Probably not. Would the mexican farmers care? Probably yes. What about jews and muslim people? would they care if there are pig genes in their bread? would you care if grampa's genes where in your pigs? Have we been dealing with this problems before? It's been dealing with new genes for millennia. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz wrote: writes Corn can travel in ships across the Atlantic, the Pacific or the Indian Ocean. 1) Not seed corn. That would be restricted. 2) Please inform me of the last time europe shipped maize to the americas? milling is done wherever is cheaper or convenient. Indeed. I am not connected to the cargo databases to know when was the last time that europe shipped maize anywhere. But if europe had a load of rotten maize somewhere in europe, I bet it ended up somewhere in the third world. Just take a peek at maize prices and exports from the EC. It doesn't happen. Any pig virus genes in commercial cultivars? Would teosinte care? Probably not. Would the mexican farmers care? Probably yes. Probably not. They don't farm teosinte. What about jews and muslim people? would they care if there are pig genes in their bread? You said a pig virus. That's not pig. In any case probably 95%+ of human genes are pig genes anyway. They would have to define which genes made a pig a pig and which didn't. In any case, theologically speaking, it's very arguable if pig genes in maize makes that maize into a pig. Doubtless there are already genes in maize that are found in pigs already. would you care if grampa's genes where in your pigs? No. Why should I? I wouldn't care if some of my genes were in a pig. We share lots of genes with pigs anyway. Have we been dealing with this problems before? Probably. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz wrote in message ... writes would you care if grampa's genes where in your pigs? No. Why should I? I wouldn't care if some of my genes were in a pig. We share lots of genes with pigs anyway. latest figures was we are 300 genes different from mice, which isn't a lot in 30,000+ genes. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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wrote in message ... Jim Webster wrote: wrote in message They thought the same in USA. The GM corn ended up in México. Corn can travel across continents, and does so regularly. just check your map, there didn't use to be a continental land bridge between Europe and South America Corn can travel across continents, and does so regularly. "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" as has been pointed out to you, there is no land bridge so it cannot travel across a continent, and there is also no trade in maize out of Europe. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' . |
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