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indian hawthorne alternative?
Once again, I seek the wisdom of the net.
The poison whatever on the back fence is being dealt with. Thanks to all who responded. I decided to just try to get rid of it rather than worry too much about what exactly it was. But, we did something that in hindsight was stupid, but we're learning -- we put out indian hawthorne in an area where deer are about. Took us a few days to realize it wasn't some problem with the plants, but the hoofprints in the mulch gave it away. This afternoon I'm pulling the plants so they'll move elsewhere. Thing is, we need to put in something that likes full sun, preferably with some color and drought tolerant, that the deer won't mess with. I've already hit the TAMU site for derr-resistant plants, but they don't have pictures. :-( Any suggestions? -W- |
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"Wayne Dyer" wrote in message news But, we did something that in hindsight was stupid, but we're learning -- we put out indian hawthorne in an area where deer are about. Took us a few days to realize it wasn't some problem with the plants, but the hoofprints in the mulch gave it away. This afternoon I'm pulling the plants so they'll move elsewhere. IH is pure deer candy. We have the deer problem with almost everything we plant. The only thing we have found that they don't seem to want at all is Salvia -----. There are several varieties. Might consider these. |
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On Sat, 17 May 2003 16:39:00 GMT, "Wayne Dyer"
wrote: Once again, I seek the wisdom of the net. The poison whatever on the back fence is being dealt with. Thanks to all who responded. I decided to just try to get rid of it rather than worry too much about what exactly it was. But, we did something that in hindsight was stupid, but we're learning -- we put out indian hawthorne in an area where deer are about. Took us a few days to realize it wasn't some problem with the plants, but the hoofprints in the mulch gave it away. This afternoon I'm pulling the plants so they'll move elsewhere. Thing is, we need to put in something that likes full sun, preferably with some color and drought tolerant, that the deer won't mess with. I've already hit the TAMU site for derr-resistant plants, but they don't have pictures. :-( Smallish, right? Maybe one of the cenizos like _Leucophyllum langmanae_? Somewhat larger, a _Leucophyllum frutescens_ 'Green Cloud' covered in blooms in the middle of a 100F August drought is nothing short of spectacular. Barton Springs Nursery carries a good selection in 1-gal(!) and 5-gal. |
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"Wayne Dyer" wrote in message news Once again, I seek the wisdom of the net. The poison whatever on the back fence is being dealt with. Thanks to all who responded. I decided to just try to get rid of it rather than worry too much about what exactly it was. But, we did something that in hindsight was stupid, but we're learning -- we put out indian hawthorne in an area where deer are about. Took us a few days to realize it wasn't some problem with the plants, but the hoofprints in the mulch gave it away. This afternoon I'm pulling the plants so they'll move elsewhere. Thing is, we need to put in something that likes full sun, preferably with some color and drought tolerant, that the deer won't mess with. I've already hit the TAMU site for derr-resistant plants, but they don't have pictures. :-( Any suggestions? -W- Abelia takes the sun and deer generally don't like it. There are several varieties including a compact and an "Edward Goucher". They are excellent evergreen shrubs that take the sun and have a longer blooming period than Indian Hawthorne. They bloom all summer and they are also much more cold hardy. Deer are unpredictable creatures to say the least. I've planted all over Austin and there are areas in which deer leave one type plant alone and other areas where deer eat the same plant. One example is vinca major. This is a very dependable ground cover that has been used successfully in Lakeway for a long time. However I have had reports from people that they used it in Westlake and the deer ate it up. Another interesting phenomenon I observed was with Salvia Gregii. On one site off Lost Creek Blvd. I used both red and white. I used the red in greater abundance and the white for a bit of variety. The deer ignored the white completely but pestered the red to death. It seems that they don't like the salvia but they will attempt to eat the red gregii until it gets established - if you can get it established. I say this because Abelias have always been a good plant that the deer leave alone. But that doesn't mean that they won't try it out of curiosity when you first plant it. This seems to be true for a number of different plant materials. There are a large number of plant materials that the deer leave alone but I usually recommend Abelia as a substitute for Indian Hawthorne because it is also evergreen and blooms in a similar fashion. The growth habit is not as compact but rather is more loose and graceful, but the leaves are dark green and evergreen and they can be kept at roughly the same size depending on the variety you use. Good Luck, Al Hanke |
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Thanks for the pointers -- this week we go shopping for replacements.
-W- |
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Al Hanke wrote: "Wayne Dyer" wrote in message newsan.2003.05.17.16.38.03.164816@nospampleas e-foobox.com... .... But, we did something that in hindsight was stupid, but we're learning -- we put out indian hawthorne in an area where deer are about. Took us a few days to realize it wasn't some problem with the plants, but the hoofprints in the mulch gave it away. This afternoon I'm pulling the plants so they'll move elsewhere. Thing is, we need to put in something that likes full sun, preferably with some color and drought tolerant, that the deer won't mess with. I've already hit the TAMU site for derr-resistant plants, but they don't have pictures. :-( The Grow Green Austin site has pictures. Any suggestions? -W- Another interesting phenomenon I observed was with Salvia Gregii. On one site off Lost Creek Blvd. I used both red and white. I used the red in greater abundance and the white for a bit of variety. The deer ignored the white completely but pestered the red to death. It seems that they don't like the salvia but they will attempt to eat the red gregii until it gets established - if you can get it established. .... I haven't really had many problems (relatively) with the red variety (in Lost Creek). If you're in a heavily deer-populated area, you simply can't have Indian Hawthorne. Basically, you're looking for smelly and pointy. Salvias/sages are likely winners, and you can get plenty of colors (salvia greggii - red, white, yellow, pink, coral, hot pink, raspberry, grape, "diane"). They can get leggy/woody/thin if you don't prune them back often enough. Generally, if you can't smell it and you can grab it without hurting yourself, the deer are likely to eat it. Abelia does look a lot like Indian Hawthorne and it is on the deer resistant lists, but it's not on the grow green list. I've seen it described as a medium-water usage plant - maybe it's too high to be recommended for here? -- Marc Stephenson IBM Systems Group - Austin,TX T/L: 678-3189 |
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"Marc Stephenson" wrote in message ... snip| | Abelia does look a lot like Indian Hawthorne and it is on the deer resistant | lists, but it's not on the grow green list. I've seen it described as a | medium-water usage plant - maybe it's too high to be recommended for here? | -- | Marc Stephenson IBM Systems Group - Austin,TX | T/L: 678-3189 I've seen it around town along sunbeaten rights-of-way and in neighbors' front yards, receiving no water that doesn't come from the sky or special care, yet attracting honeybees and butterflies and looking attractive with no help. |
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Texensis wrote: "Marc Stephenson" wrote in message ... snip| | Abelia does look a lot like Indian Hawthorne and it is on the deer resistant | lists, but it's not on the grow green list. I've seen it described as a | medium-water usage plant - maybe it's too high to be recommended for here? | -- | Marc Stephenson IBM Systems Group - Austin,TX | T/L: 678-3189 I've seen it around town along sunbeaten rights-of-way and in neighbors' front yards, receiving no water that doesn't come from the sky or special care, yet attracting honeybees and butterflies and looking attractive with no help. Sounds good. I found it listed as a "water-efficient" plant in a Texas Association of Nurserymen "Outstanding Texas Landscape Plants" brochure that I hadn't looked at in a while. Sun/part shade, Evg./Dec - 4' x 4'. Bell-shaped flowers during the summer and fall. Looks an awful lot like an Indian Hawthorn in the little picture, so looks like a good choice for the original poster. I wonder why "Grow Green" doesn't like it (and it's not because it's non-native - they have plenty of non-natives). I'm also curious about what quality it has that deer don't like. -- Marc Stephenson IBM Systems Group - Austin,TX T/L: 678-3189 |
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"Marc Stephenson" wrote in message ... | In article , | Texensis wrote: | | "Marc Stephenson" wrote in message | ... | snip| | | Abelia does look a lot like Indian Hawthorne and it is on the deer | resistant | | lists, but it's not on the grow green list. I've seen it described | as a | | medium-water usage plant - maybe it's too high to be recommended for | here? | | -- | | Marc Stephenson IBM Systems Group - Austin,TX | | T/L: 678-3189 | | I've seen it around town along sunbeaten rights-of-way and in | neighbors' front yards, receiving no water that doesn't come from the | sky or special care, yet attracting honeybees and butterflies and | looking attractive with no help. | | | | Sounds good. I found it listed as a "water-efficient" plant in a | Texas Association of Nurserymen "Outstanding Texas Landscape Plants" brochure | that I hadn't looked at in a while. Sun/part shade, Evg./Dec - 4' x 4'. | Bell-shaped flowers during the summer and fall. | Looks an awful lot like an Indian Hawthorn in the little picture, so looks | like a good choice for the original poster. I wonder why "Grow Green" doesn't | like it (and it's not because it's non-native - they have plenty of | non-natives). | | I'm also curious about what quality it has that deer don't like. | -- | Marc Stephenson IBM Systems Group - Austin,TX | T/L: 678-3189 I haven't had interested visitors lately, so haven't been near the old land office on the capitol grounds, but there used to be a healthy specimen there below the retaining wall right next to the curb. People use it all over town for hedges. It looks best in its natural form, but some people just can't resist trying to make it blocky instead of fountainlike. Some gets quite tall. |
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I'm a novice gardener. Can you provide me with the link to the TAMU site?
Thanks, C "Al Hanke" wrote in message . .. "Wayne Dyer" wrote in message news Once again, I seek the wisdom of the net. The poison whatever on the back fence is being dealt with. Thanks to all who responded. I decided to just try to get rid of it rather than worry too much about what exactly it was. But, we did something that in hindsight was stupid, but we're learning -- we put out indian hawthorne in an area where deer are about. Took us a few days to realize it wasn't some problem with the plants, but the hoofprints in the mulch gave it away. This afternoon I'm pulling the plants so they'll move elsewhere. Thing is, we need to put in something that likes full sun, preferably with some color and drought tolerant, that the deer won't mess with. I've already hit the TAMU site for derr-resistant plants, but they don't have pictures. :-( Any suggestions? -W- Abelia takes the sun and deer generally don't like it. There are several varieties including a compact and an "Edward Goucher". They are excellent evergreen shrubs that take the sun and have a longer blooming period than Indian Hawthorne. They bloom all summer and they are also much more cold hardy. Deer are unpredictable creatures to say the least. I've planted all over Austin and there are areas in which deer leave one type plant alone and other areas where deer eat the same plant. One example is vinca major. This is a very dependable ground cover that has been used successfully in Lakeway for a long time. However I have had reports from people that they used it in Westlake and the deer ate it up. Another interesting phenomenon I observed was with Salvia Gregii. On one site off Lost Creek Blvd. I used both red and white. I used the red in greater abundance and the white for a bit of variety. The deer ignored the white completely but pestered the red to death. It seems that they don't like the salvia but they will attempt to eat the red gregii until it gets established - if you can get it established. I say this because Abelias have always been a good plant that the deer leave alone. But that doesn't mean that they won't try it out of curiosity when you first plant it. This seems to be true for a number of different plant materials. There are a large number of plant materials that the deer leave alone but I usually recommend Abelia as a substitute for Indian Hawthorne because it is also evergreen and blooms in a similar fashion. The growth habit is not as compact but rather is more loose and graceful, but the leaves are dark green and evergreen and they can be kept at roughly the same size depending on the variety you use. Good Luck, Al Hanke |
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Crape myrtle would work well for your purpose, as would mountain laurel or a
desert willow. I have all of these (and have had them for years), and the deer leave them completely alone. carol "Marc Stephenson" wrote in message ... In article , Al Hanke wrote: "Wayne Dyer" wrote in message newsan.2003.05.17.16.38.03.164816@nospampleas e-foobox.com... ... But, we did something that in hindsight was stupid, but we're learning -- we put out indian hawthorne in an area where deer are about. Took us a few days to realize it wasn't some problem with the plants, but the hoofprints in the mulch gave it away. This afternoon I'm pulling the plants so they'll move elsewhere. Thing is, we need to put in something that likes full sun, preferably with some color and drought tolerant, that the deer won't mess with. I've already hit the TAMU site for derr-resistant plants, but they don't have pictures. :-( The Grow Green Austin site has pictures. Any suggestions? -W- Another interesting phenomenon I observed was with Salvia Gregii. On one site off Lost Creek Blvd. I used both red and white. I used the red in greater abundance and the white for a bit of variety. The deer ignored the white completely but pestered the red to death. It seems that they don't like the salvia but they will attempt to eat the red gregii until it gets established - if you can get it established. ... I haven't really had many problems (relatively) with the red variety (in Lost Creek). If you're in a heavily deer-populated area, you simply can't have Indian Hawthorne. Basically, you're looking for smelly and pointy. Salvias/sages are likely winners, and you can get plenty of colors (salvia greggii - red, white, yellow, pink, coral, hot pink, raspberry, grape, "diane"). They can get leggy/woody/thin if you don't prune them back often enough. Generally, if you can't smell it and you can grab it without hurting yourself, the deer are likely to eat it. Abelia does look a lot like Indian Hawthorne and it is on the deer resistant lists, but it's not on the grow green list. I've seen it described as a medium-water usage plant - maybe it's too high to be recommended for here? -- Marc Stephenson IBM Systems Group - Austin,TX T/L: 678-3189 |
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Thomas Neumayr wrote: I'm a novice gardener. Can you provide me with the link to the TAMU site? Thanks, C http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/p...ions/deer.html Here's another list: http://www.npsot.org/plant_lists/deer_resistant.html -- Marc Stephenson IBM Systems Group - Austin,TX T/L: 678-3189 |
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