"John" wrote in message
...
|
| "Red" wrote in message
| . com...
| I think what you are face with is Smilax, it is a vine which will
take
| over if you let it. Grows from a rhizome, or root which grows a
foot or so
| under the ground and sends up the occasional plant which then grows
up into
| the tree or anything else that is available. While I am more
inclined to
| be organic, I have found that round-up at higher concentrations ( 4
ounces
| of 41 percent per gallon) will after two or three applications
control
| this pest. I would cut the vines back and then wait for the new
growth and
| give them a shot of round up. If you are a dedicated organic, then
get
| some 20% vinegar and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of
| dishwashing liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot
and it
| will kill anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the
roots but
| really does a job on anything on top.
|
| Good luck,
|
| Cliff
|
| Hi Cliff..
| BINGO..I think you have it. I looked up the name, and found that it
looks
| just like what is shown here,
| upper left pictu
| http://www.swsbm.com/Images/New9-200...x_glauca-2.jpg
|
| Also known as "catbriar" or "greenbriar" or "Sawbriar" and also "
wild
| sarsaparilla "
|
| Here is more info on it:
| http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrol...us/sglauca.htm
|
| Looks like it thrives in the soil found out here in Bastrop(sandy
well
| drained soil over clay).
| Katra also was correct in the type of root it has. Doing some web
research
| it's really an interesting plant and even has some medicinal
properties. I
| just don't want it climbing up my good trees so will work it out
slowly.
| Thanks to all helping me id this little bugger!!!!!
| John
|
|

You'll hear people calling it cat briar around here sometimes. Those
thorns really hurt. The berries are pretty, though, and some creature
must eat them.

escape wrote:
And Ivory liquid was once a pure soap, now is a detergent. If soap is to be
used as a surfactant, I suggest Dr. Bonner's peppermint or eucalyptus liquid
soap.

The one we use is castille soap or something like that. Got it at CM.

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:14:54 GMT, escape
wrote:

I remember one day up at the Natural Gardener, John came back to the Labyrinth
with us and I asked him what purpose does that smilax have and he picked it and
ate it! It is only annoying to me because of the thorns. Where I don't have
cultivated beds, it grows as it wants.

Wandering around in the woods you will notice that the deer very
actively crop the top growth of Smilax vines. So they like it. If
you just pinch off the very soft tops that are usually still curled a
little, they have a slightly peppery flavor with a nice texture. I
would not eat the woody, thorny stem, though.

I think John was playing out a "let's shock somebody" part if he ate
the thorny stem. I have a friend whose forte is catching scorpions,
carefully pinching off the small back stinger (not the poison bulb)
and put the now harmless scorpion in his shirt pocket where sooner or
later it would crawl out. Depending on circumstances, like unknowing
observers around who try to warn him of the danger of the scorpion
crawling around on him, he would grab the scorpion, toss it in his
mouth and gobble it up, remarking "Tastes just like pecans". I never
saw anybody faint but it was a definite possibility.

Excuse my pun about the dressing, my inner child took over for a
moment.

Rusty Mase

10-4 it works best in the hottest part of the year but can be used now to
get the annual weeds in the lawn when and if the desired grass is dormant.
Some parts of my St. Augustine is not dormant but all of the Bermuda is so I
can use the vinegar to get the Hen bit and others with out damage to the
Bermuda and it is also a good additive to the area when it dissolves.

"escape" wrote in message
...
I find the vinegar and orange oil only work in hot sun.


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:39:04 GMT, "Red" opined:

I think what you are face with is Smilax, it is a vine which will take
over
if you let it. Grows from a rhizome, or root which grows a foot or so
under
the ground and sends up the occasional plant which then grows up into the
tree or anything else that is available. While I am more inclined to be
organic, I have found that round-up at higher concentrations ( 4 ounces of
41 percent per gallon) will after two or three applications control this
pest. I would cut the vines back and then wait for the new growth and
give
them a shot of round up. If you are a dedicated organic, then get some
20%
vinegar and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of dishwashing
liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it will kill
anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but really does
a
job on anything on top.

Good luck,

Cliff
"John" wrote in message
...
Hello group,
Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and
Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with
thorns
that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart
shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow
fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get
rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the
flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow
under the oak and cedars..
Thanks so much!!!
John








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You have to use a tooth pick.

"Rusty Mase" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:54 GMT, escape
wrote:

I find the vinegar and orange oil only work in hot sun.

Salad dressing? The young, tender shoots of Smilax are very tasty to
nibble on but I never thought about using a salad dressing!

Rusty Mase

Reminds me of my misspent youth. When I was a sprout and associated with
older "sprouts" I was told that if you ate a leaf or two of Poison Ivy that
you would never be infected with any future encounter. I observed but did
not partake of the ritual. The friend who practiced this is still around
today to tell about it, some 60 years later, to my knowledge neither one of
us ever had a problem with poison ivy. We did experience some exciting
encounters with the establishment during those times but nothing like you
would read about in today's world.


"escape" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:15:02 -0600, Rusty Mase opined:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:54 GMT, escape
wrote:

I find the vinegar and orange oil only work in hot sun.

Salad dressing? The young, tender shoots of Smilax are very tasty to
nibble on but I never thought about using a salad dressing!

Rusty Mase

I remember one day up at the Natural Gardener, John came back to the
Labyrinth
with us and I asked him what purpose does that smilax have and he picked
it and
ate it! It is only annoying to me because of the thorns. Where I don't
have
cultivated beds, it grows as it wants.





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escape wrote:
Yes, Dr. Bonner's is castille soap. What is CM?

Central Market.

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In article ,
escape wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:44:59 GMT, Victor Martinez opined:

escape wrote:
And Ivory liquid was once a pure soap, now is a detergent. If soap is to
be
used as a surfactant, I suggest Dr. Bonner's peppermint or eucalyptus
liquid
soap.

The one we use is castille soap or something like that. Got it at CM.

Yes, Dr. Bonner's is castille soap. What is CM?

V





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Central Market. :-)

Sun Harvest carries it too.

Kat
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Katra wrote:

In article ,
escape wrote:


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:44:59 GMT, Victor Martinez opined:


escape wrote:

And Ivory liquid was once a pure soap, now is a detergent. If soap is to
be
used as a surfactant, I suggest Dr. Bonner's peppermint or eucalyptus
liquid
soap.

The one we use is castille soap or something like that. Got it at CM.

Yes, Dr. Bonner's is castille soap. What is CM?

V





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Central Market. :-)

Sun Harvest carries it too.

Kat

And, of course, the hippie-dippie food co-op ;-) :
http://www.wheatsville.com/

Everybody should buy at least one bottle of Dr. B's, just to get to read
the label. http://www.drbronner.com/

DT
www.thehungersite.com

they are called greenbrair and you must dig up the rizome deep in the ground
"BJ in Texas" wrote in message
. com...
John wrote:
|| Hello group,
|| Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between
|| Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are
|| these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to
|| vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves
|| which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly
|| fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I
|| get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to
|| landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing
|| too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars..
|| Thanks so much!!!
|| John

Brambles ... They are a real ****er to get rid of. I would be
happy
for some ideas...

BJ

Thanks,
Boy they are nasty suckers. This was farm land and heavily covered with
trees. Now the damn things are coming up thru my new St. Augustine
sod..Ugh..Gonna be a greenbriar war I suppose..Guess time to get the
sharpshooter out and try to dig at them before they again get a foot hold..
John


"Alicia and Joe" wrote in message
...
they are called greenbrair and you must dig up the rizome deep in the
ground
"BJ in Texas" wrote in message
. com...
John wrote:
|| Hello group,
|| Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between
|| Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are
|| these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to
|| vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves
|| which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly
|| fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I
|| get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to
|| landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing
|| too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars..
|| Thanks so much!!!
|| John

Brambles ... They are a real ****er to get rid of. I would be
happy
for some ideas...

BJ