Does anyone know of this type of small (Korean origin) tree flowering
out-of-doors in England ?
If so, at what age does it start to show flowers in our summertime ?

It seems to be quite tricky to get success with.
The tree doesn't seem to mind cold and damp winters in the garden, but is
very reluctant to grow any leaves at all until daily temperature is peaking
well above 20C ( ie very late May or June ).

A greenhouse environment may also be unsuited as peak daily temperature over
40C seem to cause rapid death to most of the above ground growth.

There seem to be many of these trees available in local garden centres (
typically at 5 - 10 feet high, in pots ) ~ so presumably someone somewhere
is having success with them in England ?

Anthony ( 30Km east of London )

In article ,
Anthony Stokes wrote:
Does anyone know of this type of small (Korean origin) tree flowering
out-of-doors in England ?
If so, at what age does it start to show flowers in our summertime ?

Dunno. Mine was grown from seed and is only 9" high :-)

It seems to be quite tricky to get success with.
The tree doesn't seem to mind cold and damp winters in the garden, but is
very reluctant to grow any leaves at all until daily temperature is peaking
well above 20C ( ie very late May or June ).

A little better than that with me. However, I lost my non-rosea
Albitzia (bought as a plant) during a wet winter.

There seem to be many of these trees available in local garden centres (
typically at 5 - 10 feet high, in pots ) ~ so presumably someone somewhere
is having success with them in England ?

Think polytunnels. There are a lot of plants that are fairly easy
to grow with only minor control of the climate. They are sold in
garden centres, look as if they would thrive, but - surprise,
surprise! - they don't when planted out.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 11/8/05 9:01, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:

In article ,
Anthony Stokes wrote:
Does anyone know of this type of small (Korean origin) tree flowering
out-of-doors in England ?
If so, at what age does it start to show flowers in our summertime ?

Dunno. Mine was grown from seed and is only 9" high :-)

It seems to be quite tricky to get success with.
The tree doesn't seem to mind cold and damp winters in the garden, but is
very reluctant to grow any leaves at all until daily temperature is peaking
well above 20C ( ie very late May or June ).

A little better than that with me. However, I lost my non-rosea
Albitzia (bought as a plant) during a wet winter.

There seem to be many of these trees available in local garden centres (
typically at 5 - 10 feet high, in pots ) ~ so presumably someone somewhere
is having success with them in England ?

Think polytunnels. There are a lot of plants that are fairly easy
to grow with only minor control of the climate. They are sold in
garden centres, look as if they would thrive, but - surprise,
surprise! - they don't when planted out.

They will survive here if we don't get hard frosts but I don't think they
ever attain their real glory, no.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

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Sacha writes:
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| They will survive here if we don't get hard frosts but I don't think they
| ever attain their real glory, no.

Mine died without a significant frost, almost certainly due to
root-rot in a very wet winter.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 11/8/05 11:01, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article ,
Sacha writes:
|
| They will survive here if we don't get hard frosts but I don't think they
| ever attain their real glory, no.

Mine died without a significant frost, almost certainly due to
root-rot in a very wet winter.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Very probably. Some friends of mine had one in France, about an hour from
Lyons. They had one very snowy winter and their tree died after that.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)

"Anthony Stokes" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of this type of small (Korean origin) tree flowering
out-of-doors in England ?
If so, at what age does it start to show flowers in our summertime ?

It seems to be quite tricky to get success with.
The tree doesn't seem to mind cold and damp winters in the garden, but is
very reluctant to grow any leaves at all until daily temperature is
peaking
well above 20C ( ie very late May or June ).

A greenhouse environment may also be unsuited as peak daily temperature
over
40C seem to cause rapid death to most of the above ground growth.

There seem to be many of these trees available in local garden centres (
typically at 5 - 10 feet high, in pots ) ~ so presumably someone somewhere
is having success with them in England ?

Anthony ( 30Km east of London )


I wouldn't bet on it! look at the number of date and coconut palms sold each
year.
My Albizia is still small (I grew it from seed) after 15 years it has just
reach 12" it is very late into growth and puts on some extension most of
which is lost in winter.
Leave are pretty though and it seems hardy enough just slow, so buying an
imported large one may be the way to go.
--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

On 11/8/05 9:05, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:


"Anthony Stokes" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of this type of small (Korean origin) tree flowering
out-of-doors in England ?
If so, at what age does it start to show flowers in our summertime ?

It seems to be quite tricky to get success with.
The tree doesn't seem to mind cold and damp winters in the garden, but is
very reluctant to grow any leaves at all until daily temperature is
peaking
well above 20C ( ie very late May or June ).

A greenhouse environment may also be unsuited as peak daily temperature
over
40C seem to cause rapid death to most of the above ground growth.

There seem to be many of these trees available in local garden centres (
typically at 5 - 10 feet high, in pots ) ~ so presumably someone somewhere
is having success with them in England ?

Anthony ( 30Km east of London )


I wouldn't bet on it! look at the number of date and coconut palms sold each
year.
My Albizia is still small (I grew it from seed) after 15 years it has just
reach 12" it is very late into growth and puts on some extension most of
which is lost in winter.
Leave are pretty though and it seems hardy enough just slow, so buying an
imported large one may be the way to go.

Butting in to say that we will see you on Saturday, Charlie and Ray says
please don't forget the P. antioquensis!!

Clematis Day at Hestercombe everyone!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 11/8/05 9:05, in article
,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:


"Anthony Stokes" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of this type of small (Korean origin) tree flowering
out-of-doors in England ?
If so, at what age does it start to show flowers in our summertime ?

It seems to be quite tricky to get success with.
The tree doesn't seem to mind cold and damp winters in the garden, but
is
very reluctant to grow any leaves at all until daily temperature is
peaking
well above 20C ( ie very late May or June ).

A greenhouse environment may also be unsuited as peak daily temperature
over
40C seem to cause rapid death to most of the above ground growth.

There seem to be many of these trees available in local garden centres
(
typically at 5 - 10 feet high, in pots ) ~ so presumably someone
somewhere
is having success with them in England ?

Anthony ( 30Km east of London )


I wouldn't bet on it! look at the number of date and coconut palms sold
each
year.
My Albizia is still small (I grew it from seed) after 15 years it has
just
reach 12" it is very late into growth and puts on some extension most of
which is lost in winter.
Leave are pretty though and it seems hardy enough just slow, so buying
an
imported large one may be the way to go.

Butting in to say that we will see you on Saturday, Charlie and Ray says
please don't forget the P. antioquensis!!

Clematis Day at Hestercombe everyone!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Its in the van!

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

On 12/8/05 8:44, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

snip

Butting in to say that we will see you on Saturday, Charlie and Ray says
please don't forget the P. antioquensis!!

Clematis Day at Hestercombe everyone!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Its in the van!

Ray tells me he's just spoken to you, so thank you! Looking forward to
tomorrow.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

My Albizia is still small (I grew it from seed) after 15 years it has just
reach 12" it is very late into growth and puts on some extension most of
which is lost in winter.
Leaves are pretty though and it seems hardy enough just slow, so buying an
imported large one may be the way to go.

I think that's 12 feet not 12 inches you mean, as my greenhouse albizia has
grown more than 12" ( inches) since June this year.

The only flowering one I've seen is in the walled garden of the RHS at
Wisley.
It had an abundance of pink scented flowers during August last year.
So far as I can see it lives in the same spot of the walled garden all year
round and doesn't suffer badly from branches dying off in the winter.

My seven foot high out-of-doors specimen seems very prone to the higher
leaves turning yellow and falling off in mid summer; although the soil is
generally kept moist.
Maybe some trace nutrient is in short supply.

Anthony

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My Albizia is still small (I grew it from seed) after 15 years it has just
reach 12" it is very late into growth and puts on some extension most of
which is lost in winter.
Leaves are pretty though and it seems hardy enough just slow, so buying an
imported large one may be the way to go.

I think that's 12 feet not 12 inches you mean, as my greenhouse albizia has
grown more than 12" ( inches) since June this year.

The only flowering one I've seen is in the walled garden of the RHS at
Wisley.
It had an abundance of pink scented flowers during August last year.
So far as I can see it lives in the same spot of the walled garden all year
round and doesn't suffer badly from branches dying off in the winter.

My seven foot high out-of-doors specimen seems very prone to the higher
leaves turning yellow and falling off in mid summer; although the soil is
generally kept moist.
Maybe some trace nutrient is in short supply.

Mine lives in a pot in the greenhouse in winter and comes out for the
summer. It has flowered for the last two years. It does tend to lose its
lower leaves so has become a little leggy but I put that down to less
than perfect care.
I simply added Osmocote to the compost when I potted it and try to stop
it drying out too much. It's about five feet tall..
Janet G

"Anthony Stokes" wrote in message
...
My Albizia is still small (I grew it from seed) after 15 years it has
just
reach 12" it is very late into growth and puts on some extension most of
which is lost in winter.
Leaves are pretty though and it seems hardy enough just slow, so buying
an
imported large one may be the way to go.

I think that's 12 feet not 12 inches you mean, as my greenhouse albizia
has
grown more than 12" ( inches) since June this year.

The only flowering one I've seen is in the walled garden of the RHS at
Wisley.
It had an abundance of pink scented flowers during August last year.
So far as I can see it lives in the same spot of the walled garden all
year
round and doesn't suffer badly from branches dying off in the winter.

My seven foot high out-of-doors specimen seems very prone to the higher
leaves turning yellow and falling off in mid summer; although the soil is
generally kept moist.
Maybe some trace nutrient is in short supply.

Anthony


No sadly I meant inches, I do grow a greenhouse one which used to be Albizia
which grows like a weed but the julibrissin is desperately slow although it
is in a very dry place.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

Hi Anthony,
At the moment I have a spring planted species about 1.5m tall with not a leave dropped, two heavy frosts so far. We are located in central Scotland and will keep you posted as to progress.
Our first sighting of this beautiful plant was in a town square in Switzerland(Valais) We observed over many summers and winters and was always stunning.

On 16/12/06 22:26, in article , "ScotGard"
wrote:


Anthony Stokes Wrote:
Does anyone know of this type of small (Korean origin) tree flowering
out-of-doors in England ?
If so, at what age does it start to show flowers in our summertime ?

It seems to be quite tricky to get success with.
The tree doesn't seem to mind cold and damp winters in the garden, but
is
very reluctant to grow any leaves at all until daily temperature is
peaking
well above 20C ( ie very late May or June ).



Anthony ( 30Km east of London )
Hi Anthony,
At the moment I have a spring planted species about 1.5m tall with not
a leave dropped, two heavy frosts so far. We are located in central
Scotland and will keep you posted as to progress.
Our first sighting of this beautiful plant was in a town square in
Switzerland(Valais) We observed over many summers and winters and was
always stunning.

There used to be one in our South Devon garden and friends of mine in the
Loire valley had one. Both died and I suspect wet had as much or more to do
with it than cold.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:22:24 +0000
Sacha wrote:

On 16/12/06 22:26, in article , "ScotGard"
wrote:


Anthony Stokes Wrote:
Does anyone know of this type of small (Korean origin) tree flowering
out-of-doors in England ?
If so, at what age does it start to show flowers in our summertime ?

It seems to be quite tricky to get success with.
The tree doesn't seem to mind cold and damp winters in the garden, but
is
very reluctant to grow any leaves at all until daily temperature is
peaking
well above 20C ( ie very late May or June ).



Anthony ( 30Km east of London )
Hi Anthony,
At the moment I have a spring planted species about 1.5m tall with not
a leave dropped, two heavy frosts so far. We are located in central
Scotland and will keep you posted as to progress.
Our first sighting of this beautiful plant was in a town square in
Switzerland(Valais) We observed over many summers and winters and was
always stunning.

There used to be one in our South Devon garden and friends of mine in the
Loire valley had one. Both died and I suspect wet had as much or more to do
with it than cold.


Hello Sacha,

Apparently the cultivar 'Ombrella' is less sensitive to cold winters in our climate.
So it was explained to me, and I planted it in a quite dry spot in spring 2003.
It has to say the least not flourished, dying back a little more every year, although
I keep hoping it will turn around. It flowered in 03 but hasn't since. I suspect the
lack of warm late summer temperatures to ripen the wood is the main culprit.
Of course it may not appreciate the fogs of winter, either, so no doubt the
wet is a factor.

I asked the nurseryman I got it from, only a few weeks ago, what he'd recommend.
He was most unhelpful, replying that "they sell loads, they all do well." Thanks a
bunch! So if you've any advice I'd be most grateful.

I don't think it's the cold per se because as a lad we had a "Mimosa" (as the yanks
call the silk tree or Albizia julibrissin) growing outside of NY city. It was a large tree
that always bloomed spectacularly and had no problems at all with the very tough
winters. I think because the summers there are really hot, too, and of course the
winters are dryer as well.

-E

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