Help! I know very little at all about roses. Please can anyone suggest
likely candidates for reinstating a village tradition of having fragrant
white climbing roses growing through the church lych gate?

The old ones have long since expired due to a combination of neglect and
black spot - so long ago (decades) that replanting should not be a
serious problem.

The situation in North Yorkshire is fairly exposed to wind, one side is
roughly S facing with some dappled shade at midday and the other N
facing. There would be room for 2 or 3 roses on each side assuming a
4-6' spread of each plant.

Ideally we would like very fragrant, simple flowers with disease
resistance and colourful rose hips in autumn. I had a quick look at a
few catalogues but I have no idea how the plants really behave.

A long short list of candidates so far includes a few very old roses
still growing in neighbours gardens (but most of them are martyrs to
fungal diseases like black spot and orange something or other).

Of the named varieties in catalogues the following seem to fit the bill:

Alba Maxima
Alba Semi-Plena
Alberic Barbier
Blanc Double de Coubert
Blanche de Belgique
City of York
Iceberg Climber
Long John Silver
Mme Legras de St Germain
Mrs Herbert Stevens

Warnings if any of these are unsuitable would be very helpful.

It would be nice if the choices extended the flowering season over a
reasonable period of summer. And I am unsure how much of a maintainence
trap "vigorous" climbing roses might be. Any recommendations of what
might fit the bill or where to go and see some of these roses growing?

Thanks for any advice.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Martin Brown wrote:
Help! I know very little at all about roses. Please can anyone suggest
likely candidates for reinstating a village tradition of having fragrant
white climbing roses growing through the church lych gate?

The old ones have long since expired due to a combination of neglect and
black spot - so long ago (decades) that replanting should not be a
serious problem.

The situation in North Yorkshire is fairly exposed to wind, one side is
roughly S facing with some dappled shade at midday and the other N
facing. There would be room for 2 or 3 roses on each side assuming a
4-6' spread of each plant.

Ideally we would like very fragrant, simple flowers with disease
resistance and colourful rose hips in autumn. I had a quick look at a
few catalogues but I have no idea how the plants really behave.

A long short list of candidates so far includes a few very old roses
still growing in neighbours gardens (but most of them are martyrs to
fungal diseases like black spot and orange something or other).

Of the named varieties in catalogues the following seem to fit the bill:

Alba Maxima
Alba Semi-Plena
Alberic Barbier
Blanc Double de Coubert
Blanche de Belgique
City of York
Iceberg Climber
Long John Silver
Mme Legras de St Germain
Mrs Herbert Stevens

Warnings if any of these are unsuitable would be very helpful.

It would be nice if the choices extended the flowering season over a
reasonable period of summer. And I am unsure how much of a maintainence
trap "vigorous" climbing roses might be. Any recommendations of what
might fit the bill or where to go and see some of these roses growing?

Thanks for any advice.

Regards,
Martin Brown

A very old variety, wonderfully fragrant for 2 or 3 weeks, bit of a thug
though, will spread 30' and the name couldn't be better for a church:
'Rambling Rector'

Get yourself the David Austin's 'Handbook of Roses' from David Austin Roses
Ltd, Bowling Green Lane, Allbrighton, Wolverhampton, WV7 3HB Tel 01902
376300 fax 01902 372142

The do climbers and very old 'looking' english Roses and they are fragrant

This is from an old book so they may have a web site or email addy. Do a
search

:-))

Mike


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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Help! I know very little at all about roses. Please can anyone suggest
likely candidates for reinstating a village tradition of having fragrant
white climbing roses growing through the church lych gate?

The old ones have long since expired due to a combination of neglect and
black spot - so long ago (decades) that replanting should not be a
serious problem.

The situation in North Yorkshire is fairly exposed to wind, one side is
roughly S facing with some dappled shade at midday and the other N
facing. There would be room for 2 or 3 roses on each side assuming a
4-6' spread of each plant.

Ideally we would like very fragrant, simple flowers with disease
resistance and colourful rose hips in autumn. I had a quick look at a
few catalogues but I have no idea how the plants really behave.

A long short list of candidates so far includes a few very old roses
still growing in neighbours gardens (but most of them are martyrs to
fungal diseases like black spot and orange something or other).

Of the named varieties in catalogues the following seem to fit the bill:

Alba Maxima
Alba Semi-Plena
Alberic Barbier
Blanc Double de Coubert
Blanche de Belgique
City of York
Iceberg Climber
Long John Silver
Mme Legras de St Germain
Mrs Herbert Stevens

Warnings if any of these are unsuitable would be very helpful.

It would be nice if the choices extended the flowering season over a
reasonable period of summer. And I am unsure how much of a maintainence
trap "vigorous" climbing roses might be. Any recommendations of what
might fit the bill or where to go and see some of these roses growing?

Thanks for any advice.

Regards,
Martin Brown

In article ,
Martin Brown writes:
| Help! I know very little at all about roses. Please can anyone suggest
| likely candidates for reinstating a village tradition of having fragrant
| white climbing roses growing through the church lych gate?

Don't ignore a species rose. I am not really a rose person, so
can't advise.

| It would be nice if the choices extended the flowering season over a
| reasonable period of summer. And I am unsure how much of a maintainence
| trap "vigorous" climbing roses might be. Any recommendations of what
| might fit the bill or where to go and see some of these roses growing?

I am sure of the effect of vigorous climbing roses - don't even
contemplate them. They could block the lych gate if left alone
for even a week or two at the wrong time of year.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , Derek
Turner somewhat@odds.? writes

A very old variety, wonderfully fragrant for 2 or 3 weeks, bit of a thug
though, will spread 30' and the name couldn't be better for a church:
'Rambling Rector'

Far too big for a lych gate. My neighbour has one drowning a large old
apple tree - at least, he claims it's an apple tree, but no-one has seen
it for years.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

http://www.davidaustinroses.com/english/


Just up the road from me
regards
Cineman


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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Help! I know very little at all about roses. Please can anyone suggest
likely candidates for reinstating a village tradition of having fragrant
white climbing roses growing through the church lych gate?

The old ones have long since expired due to a combination of neglect and
black spot - so long ago (decades) that replanting should not be a serious
problem.

The situation in North Yorkshire is fairly exposed to wind, one side is
roughly S facing with some dappled shade at midday and the other N facing.
There would be room for 2 or 3 roses on each side assuming a 4-6' spread
of each plant.

Ideally we would like very fragrant, simple flowers with disease
resistance and colourful rose hips in autumn. I had a quick look at a few
catalogues but I have no idea how the plants really behave.

A long short list of candidates so far includes a few very old roses still
growing in neighbours gardens (but most of them are martyrs to fungal
diseases like black spot and orange something or other).

Of the named varieties in catalogues the following seem to fit the bill:

Alba Maxima
Alba Semi-Plena
Alberic Barbier
Blanc Double de Coubert
Blanche de Belgique
City of York
Iceberg Climber
Long John Silver
Mme Legras de St Germain
Mrs Herbert Stevens

Warnings if any of these are unsuitable would be very helpful.

It would be nice if the choices extended the flowering season over a
reasonable period of summer. And I am unsure how much of a maintainence
trap "vigorous" climbing roses might be. Any recommendations of what might
fit the bill or where to go and see some of these roses growing?

Thanks for any advice.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Janet Baraclough wrote:

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In article , Derek
Turner somewhat@odds.? writes

A very old variety, wonderfully fragrant for 2 or 3 weeks, bit of a thug
though, will spread 30' and the name couldn't be better for a church:
'Rambling Rector'

Far too big for a lych gate. My neighbour has one drowning a large old
apple tree - at least, he claims it's an apple tree, but no-one has seen
it for years.

Sounds like that would cause trouble. Like the other "Vigorous" ones...

Since people of all ages and sizes pass through a lychgate, you'd
need to be very sure that the rose was going to be tied in and pruned
regularly, which probably happened in the past. Is that level of upkeep
still available to the church today?

Probably not - which could mean the idea is a complete non-starter. I
fear this could be a nasty maintainence trap for the (small) elderly
congregation.

Hardly any climbing roses have an extended flowering season, and they
are all deciduous.For at least 7 months of the year whatever rose you
choose is not going to look great at all, which may displease some
brides and their photographers. Social customs and expectations have
changed in the decades since the last roses grew there :-)

Only one or maybe two weddings a year. But if the rose display period is
too short then it probably isn't worth the effort. I know very little
about roses - the only ones I have came with the garden and are very old
fragrant roses that I haven't the heart to grub up.

Climbing Iceberg is one of the more controllable and less thorny on
your list.
Blanc Double de Coubert is a rugosa shrub..very prickly, and won't
climb or ramble. No amount of tying in will make it climb; non-starter
for your purpose imho.

Thanks for this info. I don't suppose there are any other fragrant white
flowered nearly thornless climbing candidates that are not too vigorous.

Regards,
Martin Brown

In article , Martin Brown
writes


Thanks for this info. I don't suppose there are any other fragrant
white flowered nearly thornless climbing candidates that are not too
vigorous.


Jasmine?
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

I have a lovely iceberg, it's got very few thorns, smells lovely and it seems to be relatively slow growing, certainly not invasive. I would definitely recommend it.

Just another thought, what about passiflorac caerulea constance elliott (passionflower)
It flowers June to September, an is a prolific bloomer, its fast growing but easy to deal with, no thorns and a lovely scent. Constance Elliot is a pure white variety.

sorry really should have added that it doesn't need tying up because it puts out tendrils but they won't cause damage and it does like a dappled shade. I have one in Hull and it's fine with the climate even though its an exotic, really I just left it to do what it wants and it's a lovely plant (might not flower the first year but after that its great) plus they are very inexpensive.

Janet Baraclough wrote:

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from Martin Brown contains these words:

. I don't suppose there are any other fragrant white
flowered nearly thornless climbing candidates that are not too vigorous.

Jasmine? But the area might be too cold for it (forgotten which bit
of Yorkshire it was)

North yorkshire, a low lying rural village near Northallerton with a
reasonable micro-climate but also very windy.

Regards,
Martin Brown

In article ,
Janet Tweedy writes:
|
| Coo, never thought of Jasmine as anything but hardy, just shows how
| different the climate can be up north! I have officinale,
| aureomarginata, stephanese and humile and they all freeze in the winter
| but don't seem to die.

With me, it doesn't die, but doesn't flower much, either. Winter
jasmine is OK, but the buds usually get frosted.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , Martin Brown
writes

North yorkshire, a low lying rural village near Northallerton with a
reasonable micro-climate but also very windy.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Have a friend in Bedale and it is quite a mild bit of the country,
sheltered from the excesses of wind, snow and sun seemingly.
janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Iceberg is delicate and will not like wind. I have one on an eastfacing wall in a very sheltered garden and it is not happy at all. It is almost 10 years old now, but I feel it should be replanted to a sunnier spot.