In article , Mike
writes

"David" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Kate Morgan
writes
Thank you Rusty a good idea and thank you Mike, I have never been up in
the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering
:-)
kate
Just my two pennorth worth, I would get a local builder in as advised, I
wouldn't go knocking holes in the chimney breast unless you really know
what you are getting into, having dismantled a few chimneys... they can
be of all sorts of shapes, sizes and of a varying thickness so I would
use this idea as almost a last resort (the last would be dismantling it)


especially if the property has been in the hands of a DIY Renovator/Restorer
:-((

My present hose had been in the hands of one of those and he/she removed the
chimney breast from the rooms below and left the chimney stack in the roof
supported on a length of 3 x 2 stretched across the rafters!! Now removed.

The previous house was the same. 'Electrical rewire' and cables going ACROSS
the joists and floorboards laid across those. We wondered what the burning
smell was!! Same house. Partition to make a passageway to the extension and
new bedrooms at the back made of 'any old timber' bodged together. We
wondered why they rocked and were not too secure.

Get the oldest builder you can find. Not some of these "We do everything.
Plumbing, Gardening, Electrical, Extensions" and by 'oldest builder', I mean
the oldest "established" builder in your area.

People have taken great delight in jumping on me as though I talk crap.
Sorry but I have been there, done that, got the tee shirt, nearly had my
house burnt down, nearly had a chimney stack through the roof, thanks to DIY
ers who 'have done it before so we know what we are doing' ..... Yes Sacha
YOU

Mike

But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an
unpleasant bully

--
David

But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an
unpleasant bully

--
David


"BULLY"???????

That title can be made on "The Owners" who tell others what they can do and
what they cannot do. "Do as I say, not as I do" appears to be their motto.

"I've been gardening since Adam and I know all there is to know. How dare
you question what I say. I don't care if you are doing an RHS Course"

Have you seen that thread from the Barrowcloth?

"I have rebuilt umpteen houses so I know what I am talking about. How dare
you give advice when I know everything to do with rebuilding houses"

Yes that as well

As I said once before, "Aggression and Control" in gardening seems a little
strange to me in what is a very close contact with nature. But then the
penny dropped, these are people used to being aggressive and 'Controlling
nature to how THEY want things to be in the garden and greenhouse, so it
spills out here.

Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside
with the muddy boots, control and aggression"

:-))

Mike
Who doesn't knowingly tell lies
Does he Mabbett?

In article , Mike
writes

But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an
unpleasant bully

--
David


"BULLY"???????

That title can be made on "The Owners" who tell others what they can do and
what they cannot do. "Do as I say, not as I do" appears to be their motto.

"I've been gardening since Adam and I know all there is to know. How dare
you question what I say. I don't care if you are doing an RHS Course"

Have you seen that thread from the Barrowcloth?

"I have rebuilt umpteen houses so I know what I am talking about. How dare
you give advice when I know everything to do with rebuilding houses"

Yes that as well

As I said once before, "Aggression and Control" in gardening seems a little
strange to me in what is a very close contact with nature. But then the
penny dropped, these are people used to being aggressive and 'Controlling
nature to how THEY want things to be in the garden and greenhouse, so it
spills out here.

Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside
with the muddy boots, control and aggression"

Do you want to read that back to yourself? control and aggression?? fits
quite nicely in a lot of your posts, no wonder you run an ex servicemens
group, you must have fitted in very well while you were in. The sooner
they bring back conscription the better eh?
and the infantile mispronunciation of surnames... I left that sort of
thing in the playground, why don't you try growing up a little?

--
David

"David" wrote in message
...
In article , Mike
writes

But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an
unpleasant bully

--
David


"BULLY"???????

That title can be made on "The Owners" who tell others what they can do
and
what they cannot do. "Do as I say, not as I do" appears to be their
motto.

"I've been gardening since Adam and I know all there is to know. How dare
you question what I say. I don't care if you are doing an RHS Course"

Have you seen that thread from the Barrowcloth?

"I have rebuilt umpteen houses so I know what I am talking about. How
dare
you give advice when I know everything to do with rebuilding houses"

Yes that as well

As I said once before, "Aggression and Control" in gardening seems a
little
strange to me in what is a very close contact with nature. But then the
penny dropped, these are people used to being aggressive and 'Controlling
nature to how THEY want things to be in the garden and greenhouse, so it
spills out here.

Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside
with the muddy boots, control and aggression"

Do you want to read that back to yourself? control and aggression?? fits
quite nicely in a lot of your posts, no wonder you run an ex servicemens
group, you must have fitted in very well while you were in. The sooner
they bring back conscription the better eh?
and the infantile mispronunciation of surnames... I left that sort of
thing in the playground, why don't you try growing up a little?

--
David

:-((

Oh dear David. Been listening too much to "The Owners". Not done you any
good at all.

:-((

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from "Mike" contains these words:

Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside
with the muddy boots, control and aggression"

So, if you're not a gardener, it's OK to bring the aggression in, then?

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Rusty
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