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Plant naming question
Hello fellow gardeners,
Can someone explain the term 'of gardens' in the naming of some plants. For example: Chrysanthemum maximum of gardens Buxus harlandii of gardens These terms are used for some plants and it is unclear what this means. Pat |
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Pat wrote: Can someone explain the term 'of gardens' in the naming of some plants. For example: Chrysanthemum maximum of gardens Buxus harlandii of gardens These terms are used for some plants and it is unclear what this means. What it means is that they are names that are used in horticultural circles that are regarded as improper by botanists. Sometimes they are older names and the plant has been reclassified; sometimes the arcane rules for botanical names have rendered the established name 'invalid' and gardeners have ignored the dogma; sometimes the common "gardening" name is just plain wrong. Datura suavolens is an example of the first - the genus has been split, and it is now Brugmansia suavolens. Viburnum fragrans is an example of the second - botanists call it V. farrerii, but nobody else does, and there was no good reason for the change. I can't think of examples of the third, but I am sure that there are plenty. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
[...] sometimes the common "gardening" name is just plain wrong. [...] I can't think of examples of the third, but I am sure that there are plenty. I can't stop my mother calling pelargoniums "geraniums", and a village school-teacher once contradicted me when I correctly called a geranium a "geranium". Both are better gardeners than I. And I refuse to stop calling tropaeolums "nasturtiums". There's "ilex", too. Must be hundreds of 'em. |
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In message , Mike Lyle
writes Nick Maclaren wrote: [...] sometimes the common "gardening" name is just plain wrong. [...] I can't think of examples of the third, but I am sure that there are plenty. I can't stop my mother calling pelargoniums "geraniums", and a village school-teacher once contradicted me when I correctly called a geranium a "geranium". Both are better gardeners than I. And I refuse to stop calling tropaeolums "nasturtiums". There's "ilex", too. Must be hundreds of 'em. Geranium for Pelargonium, and chrysanthemum for Dendrathema are instances of vernacular names derived from old botanical names; they're either examples of the first category, or of none of the three categories. I would think that Lavatera olbia hort (= Lavatera x clementii) would be an example of the 3rd category. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , Mike Lyle writes Nick Maclaren wrote: [...] sometimes the common "gardening" name is just plain wrong. I can't think of examples of the third, but I am sure that there are plenty. I can't stop my mother calling pelargoniums "geraniums", and a village school-teacher once contradicted me when I correctly called a geranium a "geranium". Both are better gardeners than I. And I refuse to stop calling tropaeolums "nasturtiums". There's "ilex", too. Must be hundreds of 'em. Geranium for Pelargonium, and chrysanthemum for Dendrathema are instances of vernacular names derived from old botanical names; they're either examples of the first category, or of none of the three categories. I would think that Lavatera olbia hort (= Lavatera x clementii) would be an example of the 3rd category. Yes, and I am being stupid. I grow one of the clearest examples! Vinca minor 'Dartington star" is actually a variant of Vinca major (oxyloba). The first name for it is just plain wrong. No ifs or buts. Not even using an ad hoc species name for a cross with another name. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote snip Vinca minor 'Dartington star" is actually a variant of Vinca major (oxyloba). The first name for it is just plain wrong. No ifs or buts. Not even using an ad hoc species name for a cross with another name. Anna Pavord has a recent book out on the history of plant classification. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...832130,00.html -- Sue |
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On 10/11/05 23:42, in article
, "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote: snip When I was an anklebiter, Viburnum tinus was known as Laurus tinus - they can move in big leaps... Is Lippia citrodora now being Aloysia citrodora an example of this? (Many people still call it lemon verbena to us.) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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In article , Jaques
d'Alltrades writes When I was an anklebiter, Viburnum tinus was known as Laurus tinus - they can move in big leaps... Thought it was Laurestinus - all one word? -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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from Kay contains these words: In article , Jaques d'Alltrades writes When I was an anklebiter, Viburnum tinus was known as Laurus tinus - they can move in big leaps... Thought it was Laurestinus - all one word? Maybe - I only saw it through my ears. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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Pat wrote:
Hello fellow gardeners, Can someone explain the term 'of gardens' in the naming of some plants. For example: Chrysanthemum maximum of gardens Buxus harlandii of gardens These terms are used for some plants and it is unclear what this means. Just "as cultivated in, or so named in, gardens". -- Mike. |
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On 10/11/05 17:46, in article
, "Pat" wrote: Hello fellow gardeners, Can someone explain the term 'of gardens' in the naming of some plants. For example: Chrysanthemum maximum of gardens Buxus harlandii of gardens These terms are used for some plants and it is unclear what this means. Hello, Pat. Where did you see this used? And could it mean that the plants originated from garden plant 'parents' and not from wild ones? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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In message , Sacha
writes On 10/11/05 17:46, in article , "Pat" wrote: Hello fellow gardeners, Can someone explain the term 'of gardens' in the naming of some plants. For example: Chrysanthemum maximum of gardens Buxus harlandii of gardens These terms are used for some plants and it is unclear what this means. Hello, Pat. Where did you see this used? And could it mean that the plants originated from garden plant 'parents' and not from wild ones? I agree with Nick on the usage of this term. You'll also see it as e.g. Chrysanthemum maximum hort., meaning that it is known by that name in horticultural circles. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Thank you everyone for your helpful responses.
Where did you see this used? And could it mean that the plants originated from garden plant 'parents' and not from wild ones? It is used throughout the excellent "The Royal Horticultural Society A-Z Encyclopedia of Garden Plants" Pat "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message news In message , Sacha writes On 10/11/05 17:46, in article , "Pat" wrote: Hello fellow gardeners, Can someone explain the term 'of gardens' in the naming of some plants. For example: Chrysanthemum maximum of gardens Buxus harlandii of gardens These terms are used for some plants and it is unclear what this means. Hello, Pat. Where did you see this used? And could it mean that the plants originated from garden plant 'parents' and not from wild ones? I agree with Nick on the usage of this term. You'll also see it as e.g. Chrysanthemum maximum hort., meaning that it is known by that name in horticultural circles. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On 10/11/05 22:53, in article
, "Pat" wrote: Thank you everyone for your helpful responses. Where did you see this used? And could it mean that the plants originated from garden plant 'parents' and not from wild ones? It is used throughout the excellent "The Royal Horticultural Society A-Z Encyclopedia of Garden Plants" Well, I will say straight away that I've never noticed that. We use those volumes mainly to show customers what plants look like, and whether or not they will be hardy. I have to say that most people are not too interested in the etymology of plant names but I'll certainly keep my eyes open now. Goodness! Do you have a particular interest in the subject? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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