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Import of plant from USA
I am about to import a plant from the USA and have sorted shipping etc. It
will have the relevant plant US permissions, however, the exporter says:- "You'll need an import permit from DEFRA .You have to live near the major international airport, where you can get plant(s) inspected or hire a broker, who can do everything for you." Unless it's very simple I need a broker. Any help much appreciated Any help much appreciated |
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I suspect that you would be best to get a broker, as the rules etc may
be quite complicated for the layman, but easy to understand and deal with by someone experienced. |
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Import of plant from USA
"Rupert" wrote in message ... I am about to import a plant from the USA and have sorted shipping etc. It will have the relevant plant US permissions, however, the exporter says:- "You'll need an import permit from DEFRA .You have to live near the major international airport, where you can get plant(s) inspected or hire a broker, who can do everything for you." Unless it's very simple I need a broker. Any help much appreciated Any help much appreciated People to ask may be Hosta and Hemerocallis collections in the National collection scheme as they would probably do it regularly try looking for contact info on www.nccpg.org |
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"Rupert" wrote in a message:. I am about to import a plant from the USA and have sorted shipping etc. Any help much appreciated --- Well done you Rupert! Since 7/11, my son who lives in the USA has not been allowed to send any plant material to me here in the UK. However, he IS allowed to send me seeds, the envelopes containing them have been sometimes opened and inspected during transit. Mike Roscoe |
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Mike Roscoe wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in a message:. I am about to import a plant from the USA and have sorted shipping etc. Any help much appreciated --- Well done you Rupert! Since 7/11, my son who lives in the USA has not been allowed to send any plant material to me here in the UK. However, he IS allowed to send me seeds, the envelopes containing them have been sometimes opened and inspected during transit. Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? -- Mike. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Mike Roscoe wrote: "Rupert" wrote in a message:. I am about to import a plant from the USA and have sorted shipping etc. Any help much appreciated --- Well done you Rupert! Since 7/11, my son who lives in the USA has not been allowed to send any plant material to me here in the UK. However, he IS allowed to send me seeds, the envelopes containing them have been sometimes opened and inspected during transit. Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? -- Mike. Where would Britain be today in regards to its supply of plants had your forefathers not explored the world and returned with what are considered today as being plant treasures....where would any country be.......H |
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Import of plant from USA
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Mike Roscoe wrote: "Rupert" wrote in a message:. I am about to import a plant from the USA and have sorted shipping etc. Any help much appreciated --- Well done you Rupert! Since 7/11, my son who lives in the USA has not been allowed to send any plant material to me here in the UK. However, he IS allowed to send me seeds, the envelopes containing them have been sometimes opened and inspected during transit. Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? -- Mike. Well having explored this import a little further with DEFRA and the American supplier I can assure you that the certifications and inspections at both ends of the supply chain are very rigorous. Let's hope foreign travel isn't subject to such rules-it might prevent the spread of nastiness. |
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"Mike Roscoe" wrote in message ... "Rupert" wrote in a message:. I am about to import a plant from the USA and have sorted shipping etc. Any help much appreciated --- Well done you Rupert! Since 7/11, my son who lives in the USA has not been allowed to send any plant material to me here in the UK. However, he IS allowed to send me seeds, the envelopes containing them have been sometimes opened and inspected during transit. Mike Roscoe I think he can send you plant material if he gets the right bits of paper but that will cost around 100 pounds (roughly 50 USA 50UK). Surprised that he is allowed to send seeds without some kind of certification. |
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Import of plant from USA
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Mike Roscoe wrote: "Rupert" wrote in a message:. I am about to import a plant from the USA and have sorted shipping etc. Any help much appreciated --- Well done you Rupert! Since 7/11, my son who lives in the USA has not been allowed to send any plant material to me here in the UK. However, he IS allowed to send me seeds, the envelopes containing them have been sometimes opened and inspected during transit. Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? -- Mike. If we banned the international movement of all living creatures and the trade in fruit and veg etc etc then you might make a more sanitary environment (boringly sterile) |
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Rupert wrote:
"Mike Lyle" [...] Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? -- Mike. If we banned the international movement of all living creatures and the trade in fruit and veg etc etc then you might make a more sanitary environment (boringly sterile) I was actually raising a serious question, in the hope of serious discussion. The RHS shares my concern, and a paper on the subject was presented at a conference at Reading University last week. -- Mike. |
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Mike Lyle wrote: Rupert wrote: "Mike Lyle" [...] Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? If we banned the international movement of all living creatures and the trade in fruit and veg etc etc then you might make a more sanitary environment (boringly sterile) I was actually raising a serious question, in the hope of serious discussion. The RHS shares my concern, and a paper on the subject was presented at a conference at Reading University last week. This is the UK. If you encourage the government to impose more bureaucracy and restrictions on the hoi polloi in the name of safety, they will. The changes will, of course, no nothing to increase safety, and may even do the converse. Would you like to discuss the rules imposed after the government achieved an international first by creating a new disease (BSE)? The Germans, perfectly reasonably, banned UK beef as an interim procedure. The UK government's response was to retaliate against the British public by imposing the following restrictions: Private imports of meat were limited to 100 grams that had to be vacuum packed. No limits were placed on the commercial importation of meat from ANY country, or its resale. No attempt was made to control the feeding of ruminant protein to ruminants (which cased the trouble) or control the feedstock industry. Sheep and cattle had to be slaughtered for meat at a stage when they would rarely show the overt symptoms of the disease. I predict that any restrictions on the import of plants would be similar in their scientific basis. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
Private imports of meat were limited to 100 grams that had to be vacuum packed. No limits were placed on the commercial importation of meat from ANY country, or its resale. No attempt was made to control the feeding of ruminant protein to ruminants (which cased the trouble) or control the feedstock industry. Sheep and cattle had to be slaughtered for meat at a stage when they would rarely show the overt symptoms of the disease. I predict that any restrictions on the import of plants would be similar in their scientific basis. Ah, yes, the clever trick, if you can get away with it, is to make the public think^H^H^H^H^Hfeel that something is being done in their interests. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? -- Mike. As a matter of interest which particular types of plants and pests did you have in mind ? Surely most economically beneficial and or horticulturally interesting plants will have already been imported by now. In addition, presumably both plants and pests need suitable climatic conditions to survive unaided. So this limits concern to plants and pests originating in temperate zones similar to our own. Whereas if it was case of importing exotic plants and accompanying pests from Borneo then the remedy would simply be to turn the greenhouse heating off in winter. Much plant material including fungi, migrate naturally along with other forms of wild life, birds, insects, in any case without any help or hindrance from the human race. Regulations or no regulations. michael adams |
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michael adams wrote:
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? -- Mike. As a matter of interest which particular types of plants and pests did you have in mind ? Surely most economically beneficial and or horticulturally interesting plants will have already been imported by now. I think that would be part of my point, if I'd reached the stage of having a clear point. I said I was wondering: I wasn't preaching. The plants we now import _are_ generally horticulturally interesting rather than economically beneficial, and, by Heaven, we import an awful lot of them. Almost anything we actually need, economically or scientifically, can come in as seed or tissue cultures: the problem is likely to be what comes in with growing plants. The quarantine provisions for these are insecure. In addition, presumably both plants and pests need suitable climatic conditions to survive unaided. So this limits concern to plants and pests originating in temperate zones similar to our own. And, of course and inevitably, those are the regions from which most of our imports come. Call that a limit if you like, and I couldn't argue; but it's a very wide limit. Whereas if it was case of importing exotic plants and accompanying pests from Borneo then the remedy would simply be to turn the greenhouse heating off in winter. Much plant material including fungi, migrate naturally along with other forms of wild life, birds, insects, in any case without any help or hindrance from the human race. Regulations or no regulations. Well, that's all obvious. But the fewer the imports, the fewer, and the smaller in number, the accompanying species: that's reasonably obvious, too. I'm not one to fly into mindless conniptions about sudden oak death, mitten crabs, invasive freshwater crayfish, grey squirrels, NZ flatworms, Dutch elm disease, scorpions on the Isle of Sheppey, and all of those: but I've been thinking about it for years -- as has Professor Brasier of Forest Research and Imperial College. He reckons "We don't move large numbers of animals around the world for disease reasons, and we shouldn't do it for plants either." Brasier, as I mentioned in another post, has just presented a paper on the subject at a DEFRA-backed RHS conference. He may be wrong; but that doesn't make the issue trivial, or liable to summary dismissal by minor verbal debating points. -- Mike. |
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Import of plant from USA
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Rupert wrote: "Mike Lyle" [...] Broadening the discussion, I wonder if it's time to stop the importation of plants altogether. Is the, perhaps minor, increased risk of introducing pests and diseases worth it, balanced against any, perhaps modest, benefit? -- Mike. If we banned the international movement of all living creatures and the trade in fruit and veg etc etc then you might make a more sanitary environment (boringly sterile) I was actually raising a serious question, in the hope of serious discussion. The RHS shares my concern, and a paper on the subject was presented at a conference at Reading University last week. -- Mike. My answer was quite serious. The plant in question is coming from the USA and can't be moved without a phytosanitation certificate issued over there. Once the thing arrives it will not be shifted until DEFRA have physically inspected and certified it. Finally it's up to me to report anything I notice amiss. you want How much more safety do you think we require? Do you have a link to the RHS paper you mentioned? |
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