Apparently seen in Romania. Place a row of small stakes (1.2m high from
ground X 1.5 to 2m apart), Then add a similar adjacent row around
40-50cm away (parallel) but placing posts between the previous row.
Fill the space in between with you prunings until compact barrier is
formed.
Does this type of thing have a name? Was it built by our ancestors (I
have a vague feeling of having encountered it before)?
What creatures may benefit. How long will it last? As it decomposes,
which plants best thrive... is weeding a problem?

Thanks.

In article om,
a.c. wrote:
Apparently seen in Romania. Place a row of small stakes (1.2m high from
ground X 1.5 to 2m apart), Then add a similar adjacent row around
40-50cm away (parallel) but placing posts between the previous row.
Fill the space in between with you prunings until compact barrier is
formed.
Does this type of thing have a name? Was it built by our ancestors (I
have a vague feeling of having encountered it before)?
What creatures may benefit. How long will it last? As it decomposes,
which plants best thrive... is weeding a problem?

I have seen it done, and have never been to Roumania.

Ecologically, anything that lives in litter will benefit, and a lot
of things that depend on those. The time it will last will depend
on what you are pruning and using for the stakes - yew will last
for ages, apple for not very long. Many plants will grow on it,
especially if a bit of soil is added on top - especially those that
like humus and drainage. Weeding is a problem anywhere plants will
thrive :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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Apparently seen in Romania. Place a row of small stakes (1.2m high from
ground X 1.5 to 2m apart), Then add a similar adjacent row around
40-50cm away (parallel) but placing posts between the previous row.
Fill the space in between with you prunings until compact barrier is
formed.
Does this type of thing have a name? Was it built by our ancestors (I
have a vague feeling of having encountered it before)?
What creatures may benefit. How long will it last? As it decomposes,
which plants best thrive... is weeding a problem?
Thanks.

We live on a private road and the residents association decided to use prunings
from the trees to make something similar at the end of the road. These are
sometimes quite large branches and they make a nice natural boundary. the wood
does not seem to rot down too fast and makes a great habitat for birds, insects,
frogs, hedgehogs etc.

Even if it does rot down it will probably be bound together by then with roots
from the plants that settle there.

I know what it's called in Dutch (houtwallen) but the translation into
'rampart's does not seem to fit ............ Martin are you out there?

Jenny

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I know what it's called in Dutch (houtwallen) but the translation into
'rampart's does not seem to fit ............ Martin are you out there?


Wooden walls Shirley?

There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron Age people.

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What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?

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I know what it's called in Dutch (houtwallen) but the translation into
'rampart's does not seem to fit ............ Martin are you out there?


Wooden walls Shirley?

There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron Age people.

I to have a vague recollection of seeing something like that regarding
a historical site.

I asked for the name here (Belgium) and was given Houtmuur, (Wood wall)

Jenny's post reminds me that the one I've seen was mainly constructed
using tree prunnings, or that of large shrubs and does look
surprisingly nice. In the case of the shrub cuttings, these were
already in tight bundles, but the tree material wasn't, not that it
would matter because by it's nature, had they being bundled, the
bundles would have being too open. Larger branches were used as posts,
lesser, yet still quite woody material was place at the bottom and
other similar branches had to be shoved in, through, around and under
previous ones to minimise gaps and holes in the fence/barrier.
This caused some of those branches to stick up in the air at about 45
degrees and so the woodier bits were cut off and repositioned so that
when it came to lighter material being placed above, there would not be
enough woodiness to prevent the lighter material from pushing down the
previous layer.
I spent quite some time trying to identify this fence/ boundary type, I
searched using words; branch, natural, trees, fence, recycle, boundary,
iron age, but to no avail. Anyone got any baetter ideas on how to find
this. (Also used wikipedia dictionary)

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What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?

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"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote
There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron Age
people.

thinks

What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?


Gabions?

Aren't those metal baskets filled with stones?
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"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote
There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron Age
people.

thinks

What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?


Gabions?

Thasser one. But no, that's not what the wall is called. It's not a
palisade, either.

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"a.c." wrote in message
ps.com...
Apparently seen in Romania. Place a row of small stakes (1.2m high from
ground X 1.5 to 2m apart), Then add a similar adjacent row around
40-50cm away (parallel) but placing posts between the previous row.
Fill the space in between with you prunings until compact barrier is
formed.
Does this type of thing have a name? Was it built by our ancestors (I
have a vague feeling of having encountered it before)?
What creatures may benefit. How long will it last? As it decomposes,
which plants best thrive... is weeding a problem?

Thanks.


Wattling?


Stephen

"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote in message
k...
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from "Bob Hobden" contains these words:
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote
There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron Age
people.

thinks
What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?

Gabions?

Thasser one. But no, that's not what the wall is called. It's not a
palisade, either.

This is driving me mad !!

I've been googling this morning and found wattle fences which are somewhat
similar inasmuch as they use the same materials - just in a single fence as
opposed to a double one:
http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tpg/Woodworking1.htm

The following site has some diagrams of barriers used in sand dunes - principle
is similar:
http://handbooks.btcv.org.uk/handboo...t/section/3941

Found a Romanian fence:
http://www.globalgayz.com/RomaniaGalleryC/IMG_1416.html

And totally irrelevant but interesting - from the Salic Law
(http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/salic.htm) :
Title XXXIV. Concerning the Stealing of Fences.
1. If any man shall have cut 3 staves by which a fence is bound or held
together, or have stolen or cut the heads of 3 stakes, he shall be sentenced to
600 denars, which make 15 shillings,

Jenny :~)

JennyC wrote:
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote in message
k...
The message
from "Bob Hobden" contains these words:
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote
There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron Age
people.

thinks
What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?

Gabions?

Thasser one. But no, that's not what the wall is called. It's not a
palisade, either.

This is driving me mad !!

I've been googling this morning and found wattle fences which are somewhat
similar inasmuch as they use the same materials - just in a single fence as
opposed to a double one:
http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tpg/Woodworking1.htm

Actually, in the case of what I'm thinking about, not really at all
similar. The cuttings / prunings/ brushwood (another word to use in my
search) are not in any way intertwined with the posts. As in wattle.
Indeed, anything stiking out from the post line was trimmed off.
Imagin a row of posts with brushwood, prunnings piled against it...
they'd roll off. So place a second post row to trap the material within
and allowing for a denser wall to be created.

But thank you very much for the sites. I got the word "brushwood" as a
keyword search thingy.

The following site has some diagrams of barriers used in sand dunes - principle
is similar:
http://handbooks.btcv.org.uk/handboo...t/section/3941


A very interesting site. It does seem to support gabions as the name
for the stone baskets. Even shows how they're done


Found a Romanian fence:
http://www.globalgayz.com/RomaniaGalleryC/IMG_1416.html

And totally irrelevant but interesting - from the Salic Law
(http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/salic.htm) :
Title XXXIV. Concerning the Stealing of Fences.
1. If any man shall have cut 3 staves by which a fence is bound or held
together, or have stolen or cut the heads of 3 stakes, he shall be sentenced to
600 denars, which make 15 shillings,

Jenny :~)

a.c. wrote:
JennyC wrote:
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote in message
k...
The message
from "Bob Hobden" contains these words:
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote
There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron Age
people.

thinks
What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?

Gabions?

Thasser one. But no, that's not what the wall is called. It's not a
palisade, either.

This is driving me mad !!

I've been googling this morning and found wattle fences which are somewhat
similar inasmuch as they use the same materials - just in a single fence as
opposed to a double one:
http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tpg/Woodworking1.htm

Actually, in the case of what I'm thinking about, not really at all
similar. The cuttings / prunings/ brushwood (another word to use in my
search) are not in any way intertwined with the posts. As in wattle.
Indeed, anything stiking out from the post line was trimmed off.
Imagin a row of posts with brushwood, prunnings piled against it...
they'd roll off. So place a second post row to trap the material within
and allowing for a denser wall to be created.

But thank you very much for the sites. I got the word "brushwood" as a
keyword search thingy.

The following site has some diagrams of barriers used in sand dunes - principle
is similar:
http://handbooks.btcv.org.uk/handboo...t/section/3941


A very interesting site. It does seem to support gabions as the name
for the stone baskets. Even shows how they're done


Found a Romanian fence:
http://www.globalgayz.com/RomaniaGalleryC/IMG_1416.html

And totally irrelevant but interesting - from the Salic Law
(http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/salic.htm) :
Title XXXIV. Concerning the Stealing of Fences.
1. If any man shall have cut 3 staves by which a fence is bound or held
together, or have stolen or cut the heads of 3 stakes, he shall be sentenced to
600 denars, which make 15 shillings,

Jenny :~)


not a crannóg either

a.c. wrote:
a.c. wrote:
JennyC wrote:
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote in message
k...
The message
from "Bob Hobden" contains these words:
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote
There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron Age
people.

thinks
What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?

Gabions?

Thasser one. But no, that's not what the wall is called. It's not a
palisade, either.

This is driving me mad !!

I've been googling this morning and found wattle fences which are somewhat
similar inasmuch as they use the same materials - just in a single fence as
opposed to a double one:
http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tpg/Woodworking1.htm

Actually, in the case of what I'm thinking about, not really at all
similar. The cuttings / prunings/ brushwood (another word to use in my
search) are not in any way intertwined with the posts. As in wattle.
Indeed, anything stiking out from the post line was trimmed off.
Imagin a row of posts with brushwood, prunnings piled against it...
they'd roll off. So place a second post row to trap the material within
and allowing for a denser wall to be created.

But thank you very much for the sites. I got the word "brushwood" as a
keyword search thingy.

The following site has some diagrams of barriers used in sand dunes -principle
is similar:
http://handbooks.btcv.org.uk/handboo...t/section/3941


A very interesting site. It does seem to support gabions as the name
for the stone baskets. Even shows how they're done


Found a Romanian fence:
http://www.globalgayz.com/RomaniaGalleryC/IMG_1416.html

And totally irrelevant but interesting - from the Salic Law
(http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/salic.htm) :
Title XXXIV. Concerning the Stealing of Fences.
1. If any man shall have cut 3 staves by which a fence is bound or held
together, or have stolen or cut the heads of 3 stakes, he shall be sentenced to
600 denars, which make 15 shillings,

Jenny :~)


not a crannóg either

from http://handbooks.btcv.org.uk/handboo...t/section/3314
Dead hedge; under the coppice heading.

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from "JennyC" contains these words:

And totally irrelevant but interesting - from the Salic Law
(http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/salic.htm) :
Title XXXIV. Concerning the Stealing of Fences.
1. If any man shall have cut 3 staves by which a fence is bound or held
together, or have stolen or cut the heads of 3 stakes, he shall be
sentenced to
600 denars, which make 15 shillings,


600 dinners for fifteen shillings is good value.

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Bob Hobden wrote:
"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote
There *IS* a name for it, and IIRC it was used extensively by Iron
Age people.

thinks

What are those wire cages full of stones/rocks called?


Gabions?

Thank you! They have these forming, or at least partially forming, the
walls of the new airport building at Limoges, and every time I see them
remember that I meant to look up the word for them......all things come
to those who wait (and do nothing!)

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Holly, in France
Gite to let in Dordogne, now with pool.
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