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Help please peas!
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the peas. I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W ************************* |
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Help please peas!
"Welsh Witch" wrote in message news Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the peas. I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W ************************* Sweet peas, the flowery smelly ones, have very small seed pods and are poisonous. Mangetout pods are quite flat and have smaller peas than the ordinary peas which are quite fat and almost cylindrical. You can eat the pods of both varieties. Perhaps someone else can tell you how to distinguish the three just by the leaf pattern/growth habit. |
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"Welsh Witch" wrote in message news Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the peas. I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W ************************* I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you have the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a computer. I have made an excel document, and as a page of it has approximately the same proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and cells to record what I plant and sow where, print it out, take it to the allotment, write in what I add/remove, and update it when I get home. Easy. HTH Steve |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:15:36 +0100, shazzbat wrote:
"Welsh Witch" wrote in message news Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the peas. I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W ************************* I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you have the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a computer. I have made an excel document, and as a page of it has approximately the same proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and cells to record what I plant and sow where, print it out, take it to the allotment, write in what I add/remove, and update it when I get home. Easy. HTH Steve ************************************ Thank you both so much... That's a good idea re the planning document. I have taken various photos but by then...I had forgotten. I had a super labeller that punched out the letters made by Brother, but when I ran out of tape there was no replacement tape so that's in the bin! Vegetables seems so much more complicated a job than flowers which I'm very used to. You seem to have to indulge in marathon eating time. I am going to freeze lots of things..Next to the problem of the melons on which there are loads of flowers I think I'll shut my eyes for a while:-( Thanks again ************************************ |
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"Welsh Witch" wrote in message news ************************* I had a super labeller that punched out the letters made by Brother, but when I ran out of tape there was no replacement tape so that's in the bin! Vegetables seems so much more complicated a job than flowers which I'm very used to. Too late for you now but I've just come in from marking some plants, lilies as it happens but I'll use the same system on veg from now on. I cut some strips of white plastic from yogurt pots and wrote the information in CD writers (Spouse got them very cheaply from Lidl yeterday). Then with a paper punch I made a hole towards one end of the strip, threaded a plant tie through the hole and attached it to the stem. So easy! This could be done at planting out time or, if outdoor sown, when the plants are big enough and before the markers which of course you put at least at the end of each row have worked their way out of the soil. You seem to have to indulge in marathon eating time. Yes, it's wonderful! I am going to freeze lots of things.. I prefer to eat as many veggies as possible when they're cut, dug or picked from the garden. Freezing is a last resort and I do like to have seasonal veg so grow things for year round harvesting. Our little garden won't supply all our needs, we're greedy about veg, but it's the best we can do. We really don't like frozen runner beans but love them fresh so we have them day after day when they're ready and never bore of them, after all, they have such a short season and we don't buy them. A lot of the ground this year is given over to tomatoes, I wish I'd marked those plants because there are at least seven different types. It would be useful to know which are the best for what we want. And they will freeze perfectly well for use in cooking. The computer solution, for me, would be a no-no. I couldn't remember the details between garden and pc and it does sound complicated. I try to record things in a book but that's not perfect either. I'm only human :-( Mary |
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Mary Fisher wrote: "Welsh Witch" wrote in message news ************************* I had a super labeller that punched out the letters made by Brother, but when I ran out of tape there was no replacement tape so that's in the bin! Vegetables seems so much more complicated a job than flowers which I'm very used to. Too late for you now but I've just come in from marking some plants, lilies as it happens but I'll use the same system on veg from now on. I cut some strips of white plastic from yogurt pots and wrote the information in CD writers (Spouse got them very cheaply from Lidl yeterday). Then with a paper punch I made a hole towards one end of the strip, threaded a plant tie through the hole and attached it to the stem. So easy! [...] Could you let us know later on if the CD marker fades, please? I found fading with ordinary permanent felt markers, and changed to old-fashioned chinagraph, which seems to last longer than the plastic itself. For some things I made extra-long labels and wrote on both ends so that the buried end was protected from light. -- Mike. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message oups.com... I cut some strips of white plastic from yogurt pots and wrote the information in CD writers (Spouse got them very cheaply from Lidl yeterday). Then with a paper punch I made a hole towards one end of the strip, threaded a plant tie through the hole and attached it to the stem. So easy! [...] Could you let us know later on if the CD marker fades, please? LOL! If I remember :-) I found fading with ordinary permanent felt markers, Oh, I didn't find that but they were expensive and we use them for other applications - that's why I used the cheap CD ones. and changed to old-fashioned chinagraph, which seems to last longer than the plastic itself. For some things I made extra-long labels and wrote on both ends so that the buried end was protected from light. My problem with buried ones is that they tend to migrate :-( Mary -- Mike. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message oups.com... Could you let us know later on if the CD marker fades, please? I found fading with ordinary permanent felt markers, and changed to old-fashioned chinagraph, which seems to last longer than the plastic itself. For some things I made extra-long labels and wrote on both ends so that the buried end was protected from light. The CD markers I used last year have lasted well with no fading. I don't tend to use standard CD markers though - I use permanent OHP markers. Often CD markers don't have a fine enough tip, or the tip splays. OHP ones tend to give a cleaner edge. The one problem with them not fading is you can't re-use the labels (ok you can use the other side, but you know what I mean). I tend to be too much in a hurry to gather up the old ones en masse and clean them off with some alcohol. |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:46:13 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:
"Welsh Witch" wrote in message news ************************* I had a super labeller that punched out the letters made by Brother, but when I ran out of tape there was no replacement tape so that's in the bin! Vegetables seems so much more complicated a job than flowers which I'm very used to. Too late for you now but I've just come in from marking some plants, lilies as it happens but I'll use the same system on veg from now on. I cut some strips of white plastic from yogurt pots and wrote the information in CD writers (Spouse got them very cheaply from Lidl yeterday). Then with a paper punch I made a hole towards one end of the strip, threaded a plant tie through the hole and attached it to the stem. So easy! This could be done at planting out time or, if outdoor sown, when the plants are big enough and before the markers which of course you put at least at the end of each row have worked their way out of the soil. You seem to have to indulge in marathon eating time. Yes, it's wonderful! I am going to freeze lots of things.. I prefer to eat as many veggies as possible when they're cut, dug or picked from the garden. Freezing is a last resort and I do like to have seasonal veg so grow things for year round harvesting. Our little garden won't supply all our needs, we're greedy about veg, but it's the best we can do. We really don't like frozen runner beans but love them fresh so we have them day after day when they're ready and never bore of them, after all, they have such a short season and we don't buy them. A lot of the ground this year is given over to tomatoes, I wish I'd marked those plants because there are at least seven different types. It would be useful to know which are the best for what we want. And they will freeze perfectly well for use in cooking. The computer solution, for me, would be a no-no. I couldn't remember the details between garden and pc and it does sound complicated. I try to record things in a book but that's not perfect either. I'm only human :-( Mary ***************************** I w trying to work out where I've heard the name Mary Fisher before, and now I remember that superb Fay Weldon series "Life and loves of a She Devil" Good! That made me smile..we did enjoy that! You are greedy you say with vegetables. I think we are too but we'd have to go some to eat all being grown here.We do go over the top a bit1 As we decided to do the vegetable garden we thought we might as well make a "thing" of it, borrowed a turf cutter rather than use poison and took up more long narrow pieces of the lawn. Now they're full of everything we can think of. The moles like them too we're not amused:-) I think we were enthused by the programme "Its not easy going green"I understand they now have a website..I shall look for it later. We got very interested in wind and solar power; for some reason I find it wildly exciting drawing electricity from such sources! We went up to see a friend of ours who lives on a mountain http://www.policedogsrus.co.uk He's got several wind turbines and said he hasn't needed to switch on the generator for ages and is wallowing in his free power...but he does turn off his TV and not leave it on standby. We've dug out a reservoir because the met. office told us we were to expect a drought. It is the wettest drought we've ever seen so far, but maybe it will eventually turn into an ice rink. I did grow some things over winter. I put onions in on November 20th and also peas (in the greenhouse). The onions are ready now. They are so beautiful and jewel like its a crying shame to eat them.. In November or thereabouts I ordered garlic from the people in the Isle of Wight. I didn;t think they would grow because in the spring I put in local bought garlic, came from Holland I think, which remained miserable. But the garlic from the IOW is now ready that too is so glorious. We've been terribly vile and eaten it raw. The shallots we bought from the iOW, I think said to be used by Raymond Le Blanc, are too mild for us. The year before last we bought a trolley full of strawberries £10 the lot! I didn't think there could be a reason for it. They were called Royal Gala. We have given them every possible consideration and they are bitter and horrible...Never mind the German Shepherds dogs like them...they can pick them all and eat them,! Oh dear rambling again. Thankyou to everyone for the tips ******************************** |
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"Welsh Witch" wrote in message news ***************************** I w trying to work out where I've heard the name Mary Fisher before, and now I remember that superb Fay Weldon series "Life and loves of a She Devil" Good! That made me smile..we did enjoy that! I think it might have also been from uba ... As we decided to do the vegetable garden we thought we might as well make a "thing" of it, borrowed a turf cutter rather than use poison and took up more long narrow pieces of the lawn. Now they're full of everything we can think of. The moles like them too we're not amused:-) I suspect your garden is bigger than ours. I think we were enthused by the programme "Its not easy going green"I understand they now have a website..I shall look for it later. We got very interested in wind and solar power; for some reason I find it wildly exciting drawing electricity from such sources! So do I but for various reasons wind and pv aren't appropriate for us. However, in January we installed a solar water heater and have hardly used any gas or electricity for heating water since (except for the kettle). It's wonderful! We went up to see a friend of ours who lives on a mountain http://www.policedogsrus.co.uk He's got several wind turbines and said he hasn't needed to switch on the generator for ages and is wallowing in his free power...but he does turn off his TV and not leave it on standby. We don't even have a TV but we're very careful about power usage. And water. We've dug out a reservoir because the met. office told us we were to expect a drought. It is the wettest drought we've ever seen so far, but maybe it will eventually turn into an ice rink. :-) I did grow some things over winter. I put onions in on November 20th and also peas (in the greenhouse). The onions are ready now. They are so beautiful and jewel like its a crying shame to eat them.. I dug some potatoes last night, they're like pearls in the ground ... we'll have them this evening though. I boiled them and anointed them with (home made) mayonnaise. Drool ... In November or thereabouts I ordered garlic from the people in the Isle of Wight. I didn;t think they would grow because in the spring I put in local bought garlic, came from Holland I think, which remained miserable. But the garlic from the IOW is now ready that too is so glorious. We've been terribly vile and eaten it raw. Best way! The year before last we bought a trolley full of strawberries £10 the lot! I didn't think there could be a reason for it. They were called Royal Gala. We have given them every possible consideration and they are bitter and horrible...Never mind the German Shepherds dogs like them...they can pick them all and eat them,! LOL! Oh dear rambling again. Yes, me too, apologies to anyone who's read as far as this, please don't flame us ... Mary |
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"shazzbat" wrote in message ... "Welsh Witch" wrote in message news Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the peas. I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W ************************* I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you have the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a computer. I have made an excel document, and as a page of it has approximately the same proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and cells to record what I plant and sow where, print it out, take it to the allotment, write in what I add/remove, and update it when I get home. Easy. HTH Steve Sweet Peas are poisonous indeed- the plants are easily recognised with flat ribs(?) along the sides of the growing stems. The sed pods are thin with pointed ends. In any event you should be able to recognise the flowers before they seed. Ordinary peas develope an inedible parchment in the pods before the peas have grown to any extent. Pick a pod from uncertain peas and chew it. If it masticates down it is mangetout, if it feels like cardboard or fibre glass, it is a standard pea. mangetout fill out reasonably well if you leave them on the plant. regards David T |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:33:00 +0100, david taylor wrote:
"shazzbat" wrote in message ... "Welsh Witch" wrote in message news Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the peas. I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W ************************* I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you have the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a computer. I have made an excel document, and as a page of it has approximately the same proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and cells to record what I plant and sow where, print it out, take it to the allotment, write in what I add/remove, and update it when I get home. Easy. HTH Steve Sweet Peas are poisonous indeed- the plants are easily recognised with flat ribs(?) along the sides of the growing stems. The sed pods are thin with pointed ends. In any event you should be able to recognise the flowers before they seed. Ordinary peas develope an inedible parchment in the pods before the peas have grown to any extent. Pick a pod from uncertain peas and chew it. If it masticates down it is mangetout, if it feels like cardboard or fibre glass, it is a standard pea. mangetout fill out reasonably well if you leave them on the plant. regards David T **************************** Ah!! Thanks I did eat one which tasted OK and certainly didn;t have a cardboard or fibregalss feel....Good..I gues they're mange tout then!! *********************************** |
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david taylor wrote: Pick a pod from uncertain peas and chew it. If it masticates down it is mangetout, if it feels like cardboard or fibre glass, it is a standard pea. If it takes your breath away, turns you in a funny yellowish kind of shade and gives you a severe blinding headache, it's a sweet pea ) |
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shazzbat wrote: "Welsh Witch" wrote in message news Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the peas. I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W ************************* I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you have the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a computer. I have made an excel document, and as a page of it has approximately the same proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and cells to record what I plant and sow where, print it out, take it to the allotment, write in what I add/remove, and update it when I get home. Easy. You'd think... I was about to ask a similar question to that asked by Welsh Witch - I sowed two types of peas (poddable and sugar snap) in a mini coldframe, in rows, but didn't keep the labels either. I then transplanted them at the foot of three wigwams, where they are thriving, but totally undistinguishable. the poddable peas have much tougher pods, so I can manage to take a guess, but just about... I am not sure whether I am currently eating immature poddables, or fully ripe sugar snaps... It does my heart good that I am not the only one to do silly things in the garden ;-) Cat(h) |
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I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and which are real peas. I was about to ask a similar question to that asked by Welsh Witch - I sowed two types of peas (poddable and sugar snap) in a mini coldframe, in rows, but didn't keep the labels either. Funnily enough, I was also just about to ask a similar question! I put a couple of seeds in a hanging basket early this year, and I vaguely recall that they were mangetout seeds, but I didn't keep a label or make a note. When it came to eating the pods I got very nervous in case they were sweet peas and I poisoned everyone in my family ! I've just uprooted the plant and put it on my compost heap; better to be safe than sorry. Next year I won't rely on my memory. |
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